Preview: Michael Semple interviews a senior member of the Taliban

A high-ranking operative from the Afghan Taliban movement on Pakistan, al-Qaeda and the future of Afghanistan.

Members of the Taliban. Photographs: Majid Saeedi/Getty Images
Members of the Taliban. Photographs: Majid Saeedi/Getty Images

In David Miliband's guest-edited issue of the New Statesman, the former diplomat and author Michael Semple has interviewed a veteran leader of the Afghan Taliban movement – “one of the most senior surviving Taliban commanders and a confidant of the movement’s leadership”. The identity of his interviewee is protected, to allow him to speak freely about the upper echelons of the movement, but Semple has verified his seniority and cross-checked his account.

You can read the full interview in the magazine but here are a few extracts to whet your appetite.

On relations with al-Qaeda:

At least 70 per cent of the Taliban are angry at al-Qaeda. Our people consider al-Qaeda to be a plague that was sent down to us by the heavens. Some even concluded that al-Qaeda are actually the spies of America. Originally, the Taliban were naive and ignorant of politics and welcomed al-Qaeda into their homes. But al-Qaeda abused our hospitality. It was in Guantanamo that I realised how disloyal the al-Qaeda people were... To tell the truth, I was  relieved at the death of Osama. Through his policies, he destroyed Afghanistan. If he really believed in jihad he should have gone to Saudi Arabia and done jihad there, rather than wrecking our country.

On Pakistan:

The one thing I dare not talk about is the relationship with Pakistan.

On whether the Taliban can regain control of Afghanistan:

It is in the nature of war that both sides dream of victory. But the balance of power in the Afghan conflict is obvious. It would take some kind of divine intervention for the Taliban to win this war. The Taliban capturing Kabul is a very distant prospect. Any Taliban leader expecting to be able to capture Kabul is making a grave mistake. Nevertheless, the leadership also knows that it cannot afford to acknowledge this weakness. To do so would undermine the morale of Taliban personnel. The leadership knows the truth – that they cannot prevail over the power they confront.

On the aims of his movement’s struggle:

The Taliban are fighting to expel the occupiers and to enforce shariat... If they fall short of achieving national power they have to settle for functioning as an organised party within the country. We also know that there are other political forces in Afghanistan – for example, [the warlords] Dostum and Sayyaf. They all have their own political programme. Even when the Taliban were in power there was a difference in the way shariat was practised. There was shariat in Kandahar and Kabul, but far less in Herat and almost none in the north. If the Taliban were ever to return to power they would face enormous problems. But they are a long way from having to grapple with the challenges of power, and for the moment, as long as Mullah Omar is alive, the Taliban will be prepared to follow him in this fight.

On what a future Taliban social policy might look like:

In their time, the Taliban gained notoriety over three points – their treatment of women, their harsh enforcement of petty rules on things like beards and prayers, and their international relations. The priority now should be restoration of security. But on the other issues I anticipate that they would soften their tough policies.

On relations with the international community:

You cannot be human and refuse to recognise others. The Taliban have no fundamental disagreement with the international community.

This week’s New Statesman is guest-edited by David Miliband. The issue focuses on shifts in world power, and includes contributions from, among others, Hillary Clinton, Kevin Rudd, Richard Branson, Tony Blair, Ed Miliband, David Walliams and Russell Brand.

Copies are available on the newsstands from Thursday 12 July and in the rest of the country from Friday 13 July. Single-issue copies can be purchased here.

 

15 comments

JeremiahVaughan's picture

Muslim Turks killed a million Armenians at the beginning of the 20th Century, a fact which Turks are unwilling to confront though all the world knows it. Muslims have the blood of Spaniards, Frenchmen and Italians on their hands, not to mention the millions of East Europeans they slaughtered in their imperialistic wars to dominate Europe. Don't talk so much nonsense. Learn history instead. http://www.squidoo.com/best-double-jogging-strollers-reviews

it's all fake's picture

lies .. get out of Afghanistan .. your are not the only empire in the world to occupy others.. but you are the most evil brutal regime in history.

Sabrina's picture

Taliban Reject Semple's Published Interview with Talib Commander
Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:26
Written by Sonil Haidari
Tolo News

The Taliban rejected a UK magazine's interview with a Taliban commander, saying in a statement released Saturday that the magazine's claim to have spoken to one their own was "fatuous".

The statement on the Taliban website said that the New Statesman article published Thursday was "nothing more than a shameful propaganda ploy of the deceitful flailing enemy".

In the magazine article, former UN Envoy to Afghanistan during the Taliban regime Michael Semple interviewed a Taliban commander who was not identified, apart from a pseudonym Mawlawi, in order to protect him from reprisals.

The commander spoke frankly of his anger towards Al Qaeda for destroying Afghanistan, his relief at Osama bin Laden's death, and the Taliban's dim outlook for outright victory in the country.

The Taliban statement said the article was fabricated as an attempt of Nato to hide its defeat.
"Sometimes they introduce a vegetable seller as a high ranking official of Islamic Emirate [Taliban name for Afghanistan] and try to solve the Afghan issue with him and sometimes an anonymous ‘Mawlawi' as its important member and then publish such nonsense," it said.

Mawlawi's comments to Semple were published widely by multiple media outlets because of their divergence from the militant group's typical statements.

The admission of Mawlawi that he felt the Taliban would not recapture Afghanistan was highly sensitive.

He said: "It would take some kind of divine intervention for the Taliban to win this war. The Taliban capturing Kabul is a very distant prospect. Any Taliban leader expecting to be able to capture Kabul is making a grave mistake. Nevertheless, the leadership also knows that it cannot afford to acknowledge this weakness. To do so would undermine the morale of Taliban personnel."

The Taliban statement scoffed that this could be someone in their ranks because he "basically states that he doesn't believe in the divine help of Allah and that the Mujahideen surely cannot defeat the enemy... We have repeatedly demonstrated to our enemies for the past decade that the Mujahideen can do what could have never been imagined."

It called on the media to not accept any voice as that of the Taliban without the verification of the group's known spokespersons.

Toti34's picture

Talibans do not have a central committee to make statements like you have printed. So what this person says is the opinion of a small group. Basically Talibans want an Islam practiced in stone age and do not know how to live at peace with others. Their treatment of women is an important subject NS should have discussed.
Do they allow women to be educated?
Do they allow women to walk out of the four walled prisons and talk to people?
Can they decide who they want to marry?
Can women be married at the age of 12?
Most of 'freedom' loving people (NATO) are interested to leave Afghanistan and tell us it was a successful effort to kill unlimited number of innocent people. They will not mention that the war has increased radicalism in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

IA Rana's picture

dont agree with what has been said above. i want to ask one simple question are women respectable in the west. just think about it. and what is the criteria of that respect.
As on war and peace.. in the world, is the first world war started by the Muslim is the second world war started by the Muslim. is the longest ever fought war was between two muslim nations... (England & France) is the first ever Atomic bomb used by the muslim.... is the raceism born and bread by the muslim.....is suicide bombing invented by the muslim... How much war the west is ready to spread from Palestine, to Iraq, to Afghanistan and many parts of Africa, is the korean and vietnam lessons are not enough..... British and Russians not learned their lesson in Afghanistan. Europe is at the verge of economic colapse only war can change that scenario..... war makes a lot of money.... but then what about body bags..... are you ready for it...... Freedom loving people was joke of the century.....

soross's picture

How little history you actually know. Muslim Turks killed a million Armenians at the beginning of the 20th Century, a fact which Turks are unwilling to confront though all the world knows it. Muslims have the blood of Spaniards, Frenchmen and Italians on their hands, not to mention the millions of East Europeans they slaughtered in their imperialistic wars to dominate Europe. Don't talk so much nonsense. Learn history instead.

mbrecker's picture

Get out of Afghanistan.

Matthew Nasuti's picture

The Taliban reportedly have 35,000+ troops under arms with thousands more in Pakistan. Those numbers seem to grow every year. That is a larger army than they used in the 1990's to take over the country. The Afghan Natonal Army and police on the other hand have a desertion rate of about 25%/year. That has remained relatively constant. That means the entire army deserts every four years. This New Statesman article is all spin. It provides cover for the official NATO position. The reality is that the Taliban have a credible potential to take over at least half the country when NATO leaves. Part of the fault lies in the US/NATO training program, which is a shambles and has been a shambles since 2001. There is still time to turn the training program around, but that will never occur as the Pentagon and NATO have their collective heads in the sand and they will not reform.
Matthew Nasuti
Former Captain - U.S. Air Force
Reporter - The Kabul Press
www.kabulpress.org

Nabi Misdaq's picture

Dear New STATESMAN
Whoever the commander of the Taliban giving this interview to Mr. Semple is not that important. What he says has been the policy of the Taliban at least since 2009. All the information like, they do not want to rule Afghanistan on their own alone and will share power with others; they do not want to talk to Karzai and prefer to speak with the Americans who are the one they are fighting with; that other powers in Afghanistan like warlords and the so called Northern Alliance are the one who matter more than Karzai to talk to and so on. This information has been in the public arena but it is good by publishing it in respected journals and papers, some attention may be paid to it now.
Nabi Misdaq

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