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Is feminism sexist?

While British feminist campaigners explicitly try to address the gender iniquities faced by all, sho

Does feminism discriminate against men? Tom Martin thinks so. Today, the former MSc student at the gender studies institute of the London School of Economics sued the university for misleading advertising and breach of equality legislation, on the basis that the course promotes a "sexist agenda".

Martin, who has raised £4,300 to fund his case at the central London county court, argues that feminism makes women think of themselves as victims, and that it promotes a discourse which "excludes mention of men" and the inequalities they face, such as increased risk of homelessness and subjection to hypergamy (gold-digging), which his website claims is "prevalent among most of the world's women".

Martin would like to see the gender studies course incorporate male studies, a burgeoning field in America backed by the likes of Warren Farrell, the controversial author of such books as The Myth of Male Power. A substantial part of the evidence that he will be using for his case is the language of the core texts for the LSE course, which he believes establish an "all women good, all men bad" binary, while research that is "articulate and forthright on men's problems" is systematically blocked.

But is feminism sexist? Admittedly it often overlooks the M-word in policy papers focusing on inequalities that predominantly affect women. While British feminist writers and campaigners from the F-Word blog to UK Feminista explicitly try to engage men and address the gender iniquities faced by all, should men's rights ever be feminism's responsibility?

It seems obvious that liberating women from gender-based discrimination would help men, too - apart from appealing to a sense of justice, how else can house husbandry be sold, if not as an antidote to the male burden of being breadwinner?

Men may not be the enemy, yet with so few people prepared to identify as feminist in the first place, many "feminisms" are understandably wary of providing a critical male platform that might be used against women. Although Martin advocates joint custody rights, which the coalition are moving towards, he holds provocative views on "exaggerated" rape statistics and the role that women's shelters play in exacerbating sex segregation. He also dismisses the notion of patriarchy.

And he presumably hopes his lawsuit, if successful, will create a precedent for anti-feminist discrimination cases.

Nichi Hodgson is a 28-year-old freelance journalist specialising in sexual politics, law and culture.

101 comments

stackhouse_11's picture

My place of work (a well-known UK higher education facility also) has numerous women-only 'support' and 'networking' groups which actively exclude against men from opportunities . The goal of these, I understand, are to empower and consolidate women students in suppossedly male-orientated subjects. When I obtained attendance figures for the university the gender split in most of the schools was equal. In fact, the largest (and by a long mile) gender gap was in health, where women outnumbered men by a factor of ten. Male support groups to address this imbalance: none. I now take much of the feminist movement with a pinch of salt.

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fabrizzo's picture

all legally sanctioned social movemenst are supposed to be promoting peace n fairness,not fighting fire with fire,let alone piggybacking on a miscontrued theory of it which hurt innocents.the very latter is radicalism n no different from terrorism.

fabrizzo's picture

i would like to remind those dolts like jan,that her own grandfather might have been involved in her own alleged interpretation of oppresing women.so what are they gonna do,renounce her own family tree?her concept towards the 'boke' is piggybacking on that of fighting fire with fire,but isnt true to the word.because to be so,uve gotta be the victim,n who u're targeting gotta be the guilty party.neither holds true,shes just working on gender stereotyping,shes a damned sexist.real feminists should attack her if they are really against sexism.not just keep silent n act dumb,n only become alert when their benefits are at stake.since they brand themselves as community servers,not some darn profit making company seeking to slash costs n raise prices.

fabrizzo's picture

i would like to remind those dolts like jan,that her own grandfather might have been involved in her own alleged interpretation of oppresing women.so what are they gonna do,renounce her own family tree?her concept towards the 'boke' is piggybacking on that of fighting fire with fire,but isnt true to the word.because to be so,uve gotta be the victim,n who u're atrgeting gotta be the guilty party.neither holds true,shes just working on gender stereotyping,shes a damned sexist.real feminists should attack her if they are really against sexism.not just keep silent n act dumb,n only become alert when their benefits are at stake.since they brand themselves as community servers,not some darn profit making company seeking to slash costs n raise prices.

fabrizzo's picture

just a thought,if rape is a vile act,women who fake being sexually violated are viler than vile,and must be punished severely,because they mock the plight of those real victims among them.they should be jailed n caned even,if caning applies,like in singapore.

Fordy1968's picture

Gender Studies should study femininity and masculinity. How can it be called "Gender Studies" if it does not? I had to dip into Gender Studies for my PhD and found a dearth of literature on masculinity, despite this academic dicipline being very important, in my opinion. On the sexist issue, there are sexists in all walks of like, among men and women, masculinists and feminists. There also non-sexist people in all walks of life. People who think otherwise need to broaden their social circle. Personally, I find all sexism distasteful, just as I find discrimination on the grounds of race, orientation, class, religion, politics and disability distasteful, though I am tolerant of people who think differently to me.

fabrizzo's picture

i agree with u fordy.anyone thinking women issues are more pressing than men's are sexist themselves.irony to the fact that theyre always the ones calling out others as sexist.will there be no end to such shamelessness?

fabrizzo's picture

feminists want equal?they should advocate ban on skirts n dresses;all women should go to work in shirt-tie-pants suit.why should they have that extra degree of freedom,often to manipulate the standards around?

fabrizzo's picture

so,to jan,white have to be slaved for a few hundred years to justify black slavery?asians have to colonise the western nations for a few hundred?plus women must now serve in the army n construction works for another few thousand,while all men stay home n knit sweaters?equality is about seeking equality,NOT turning out old enmity which have been resolved.

Jimmy9's picture

"should men's rights ever be feminism's responsibility?"

Feminism is supposed to be about gender equality, right?

Well what happens when women are more advantaged than men?

Look around you.

fabrizzo's picture

i second what u said.since they 'nobly' claim they fight for equality n hence use that to justify their actions n the support they garner,they have a responsibility to ALL,not just the women.didnt they also receive support n donations from men as well?how can they just take ur money n shirk responsibility?thats akin to scam ads.
instead of saying they have no responsibility to speak for males,why not engage them into the organbisation,n change the name to a more neutral one,so all may partake in fairness discussions?

fabrizzo's picture

i second what u said.since they 'nobly' claim they fight for equality n hence use that to justify their actions n the support they garner,they have a responsibility to ALL,not just the women.didnt they also receive support n donations from men as well?how can they just take ur money n shirk responsibility?thats akin to scam ads.
instead of saying they have no responsibility to speak for males,why not engage them into the organbisation,n change the name to a more neutral one,so all may partake in fairness discussions?

fabrizzo's picture

besides jan,if it were justified to fight fire with fire,for women who fake sexual violation just to gain an upper hand n stir trouble,should we then punish them by subjecting them to genuine rape by already-in-prison rapists?i bet if this were done ur kind would cry foul,2 wrongs dont make a right,yadayada-crap.yet now u advocate this against others because u arent the one hurt from it?shame on u,n i despise those like u.

fabrizzo's picture

fyi jan,it has only been 2012 years since the birth of christ.are u presuming to say that women has been treated unfairly ever since christ's time?would not the saviour of mankind have pointed out such a fault if it truly existed then?truly,what arrogance,what tosh!!

fabrizzo's picture

lets say we speak in the lines of believing in reincarnation.jan has no proof she was a woman in her past life suffering the grievances she claimed women of the past suffered.reincarnation transcends gender,race n even species,those who believe in it would know.thus,she might have been a man in her past life,who suppressed women,then now as a woman,reap the fruits of feminism n suppress men,once again.now tell me if that isnt doubly sinful?so,believe in reincarnation or not,jan's sentiments are absolute trash,rubbish,n insults the intelligence of the human race.

fabrizzo's picture

lets say we speak in the loines of believing in reincarnation.jan has no proof she was a woman in her past life suffering the grievances she claimed women of the past suffered.reincarnation transcends gender,race n even species,those who believe in it would know.thus,she might have been a man in her past life,who suppressed women,then now as a woman,reap the fruits of feminism n suppress men,once again.now tell me if that isnt doubly sinful?so,believe in reincarnation or not,jan's sentiments are absolute trash,rubbish,n insults the intelligence of the human race.

fabrizzo's picture

plus,those benefitting from the fruits of feminism arent those who have suffered wrong in the past;its those of current generation who have never suffered an ounce of grievance.so how dare she act like her gen must receive compensation for what was owed to the women of the past?she has no friggin right to ask for it.why,does she think shes a later incarnation of past women?even believers of reincarnation would see such an excuse as absolute tosh.n i believe christians dont believe in reincarnation do they?

fabrizzo's picture

yes dave meritocracy is the way.do feminist try to challenge that?in fact so often i see men taking pains to dress n look formal more so than women.half the women seem to wear more relaxed dresses which are sleeveless n dont reach their knees.worse are those shop attendants who resort to miniskirts n hotpants.if they wana muck around,why should they be paid seriously?

fabrizzo's picture

haha mac,it seems what goes around comes around.if women themselves are sexist,how do they expect men not to be sexist in return?theyre the ones who start the doctrine of fighting fire with fire.in fact,it seems on more occasions its the women who manipulate men to go against one another.just look at those foolish men in survivor one world.

fabrizzo's picture

abi-jerk,NOBODY cares about what u want,its about whats good for the nation n the world.we dont indulge in jerks either,n clearly u r one of them

fabrizzo's picture

yes fred,true feminism should be about equality,not the way theyre acting now

fabrizzo's picture

wow it looks like feminism should be outlawed n considered a radical group.what are our govts n presidents doing about this?feminists claim men always dominate the parlimentary positions,as if they deliberately block women.if that were so,would not these male member of parliaments ban feminists altogether,if they were sexist against females as they so claim?then maybe more good would come of society,since its clearly the women groups who are sexist.if they werent sexist they'd join the humanitarian groups rather than form a WOMEN group.simple common sense,go figure.

fabrizzo's picture

violence should never be accepted in any form,wtf is the law doing?and military is an exploitation of male freedom n free choice.time for women to step up n serve,starting with the feminists n that blockhead jan,n those like her

fabrizzo's picture

so right u are,scott.so thats what jan meant?why,i'd have her stoned if its within my jurisdiction.whoever thought of making 2 wrongs into a right as logical?that is,if feminists' claim of unfairness to women were even true to begin with.does that not sound out their true motives of selfish benefits as clear as day,as opposed to their claimed equality?not to mention,even if it were true,shes making later generations pay for earlier's faults?what kind of demon is she?lemme whip her kids for her own sins,we'd see how she likes it then!!feminists had better speak against louts like her if they wana remain credible.else they shd just vanish n begone forever.

fabrizzo's picture

y dont u go back 2000 years n complain,blockhead?

fabrizzo's picture

feminists should NOT be treated as a humanitarian group;they should be treated like a political group n subjected to public votes on whether they should continue existing.if they can resort to cherrypicking their data n skew it to their advantage of arguments,theyre no better than politicians.

fabrizzo's picture

feminists n women groups are more interested in seeking to further their own causes n goals rather than seeking to equalise every playing field.but of course to admit their real motives would be politically incorrect,so they sugarcoat their motives with the word equal,knowing full well thats what everybody wants.ive seen 'feminists' who are clearly in the wrong n still dare bash other people down.they bring disgrace to the reputation of women.

Jimmy9's picture

I believe he was referring to snipes against men. Feminism is notorious for blaming men for everything and demonizing all males. Few men will put up with that for long, and the ones who will are just weak with no backbone.

fabrizzo's picture

i know of a few weak men who'd argue fervently for their cause,even when its the women who are taking advantage of society.what a disgrace to men n humankind in all;they dont deserve to exist in this world

Jimmy9's picture

Women are currently the majority of the workforce and of college students. They currently make 8% more than men directly out of college for the same exact work. They have policies and protections specifically providing for them at the expense of men.

What part of this do you not understand?

Matarij's picture

'I used to call myself a male feminist, but after reading snipe after snipe I had just had enough.'

Welcome the feminist world Gerry - we are consistently sniped against ALL THE TIME. And yet we still keep on keeping on. It takes courage to do this - and we do not have the choice (or the privilege) to make the choice you have made, which is to retire from the fray.

McMac's picture

Yes.

Feminism is sexism as ethos, lifestyle, art, belief and philosophy that infects important areas of public policy.

james's picture

Feminists are blind to the significant role they play in men's bad behavior. One of the many reasons men behave badly is because they will be rewarded with the attention of attractive women

janlog's picture

I was told last year by a boke, of course, that women had already been allowed by men to achieve equality! Worse - it had all gone too far and now men were society's victims.
I told him to come back and complain in 2,000 years.

BrusselsLout's picture

The F-Word and UK Feminista do not try to engage men. Far from it. Where does this myth originate from?

I have tried commenting on the F-Word but my comment was blocked. All it did was criticize feminist assertions that were not backed up by fact. And UK Feminista does not take one blind bit of interest in men or masculinity. Indeed, it never stops denigrating men, either directly or by innuendo, such as through the grossly exaggerated rape statistics we see in the papers based on accusations, most of which are retracted and have no evidence to start with.

The discourse needs to change. Feminism is a bent ideology whose aims are to give unfair advantage to a small group of women seeking it and to demonize men. Time feminism was challenged in the mass media, as Tom Martin is bravely doing.

Matarij's picture

@james - please do some research into patriarchy and then you will see that it shapes structural inequalities that affect both men and women.

Gerry Tierney's picture

"Welcome the feminist world Gerry - we are consistently sniped against ALL THE TIME"

By your own team? By your supposed allies? Yeah, right.

What's done is done, and I hope women find themselves on equal footing one day, but feminism is a fight for female dominance, not female/male equality.

james's picture

@Matarij - Yes working class men are not the victims of capital, they are the victims of patriarchy

BrusselsLout's picture

Equality is absolutely the right word here.

How many women do you see digging up roads or mining coal? How many emptying filthy back-breaking bins? Or up on dangerous poles fixing power transmission lines?

And why doesn't David Cameron demand 30% quotas for women for these jobs?

Because feminists don't like that kind of equality.

quiet riot girl's picture

I have just heard that Tom Martin has lost his case.

I get the distinct impression the author will be pleased to hear that news.

I, though, am not.

and I expect I was in gender studies departments as a student and a lecturer/researcher longer than her, to have some sense of the discrimination they exhibit.

Stephen's picture

Feminism is about giving women equality only when it is convenient for women. There are no women campaigning for equal retirement age, ending infant circumcision, making military draft mandatory for females, equal legal resposnsiility for their actions, adressing why female on male violence is always acceptable in all forms, why teaching is female biased etc etc. There are so many issues facing men but because they do not systamatically complain about it, they are ignored and if they do complain they are ridiculed. This is why feminism will always be just an attempt by one group (women) to oppress another (men). The turning point is coming however and articles in the media exposing feminist lies and bigotry are becoming far more common. Good luck to Tom Martin.

scott mclelland's picture

janlog
13 March 2012 at 18:30

I told him to come back and complain in 2,000 years.

Well Jan, leaving the actual discussion aside as im afraid that might upset you , your answer to men being discriminated against is that they have to be discriminated against for a few thousand years for things to be equal ?? do you realise just how undeniably sexist that way of thinking is ?, its women like you that killed feminisim as anything but a power grab.

Dave's picture

"He also dismisses the notion of patriarchy."

In recent years I've seen many, many feminists abandoning this discredited idea. If people who hate men accept is as flawed then you'd have to be very stupid indeed to continue using it.

It's now one of those terms whereby if you hear someone using it in an argument then you know they're basically incapable of rational thought and have nothing to offer to a conversation.

It seems to me that you're trying to turn Mr Martin's positive attributes into negatives. By all means attack his alternative theories to patriarchy, but if you criticise him for refusing to believe nonsense then you aren't doing yourself any favours.

Anthony's picture

Feminists just need a good meat injection .

quiet riot girl's picture

I agree with Dave.

Fgtyhuj's picture

Why would a bunch of fat ugly lesbians want to defend men?

Harry's picture

Published response from an academic, who has worked in to the department sued, clarifying some of the points raised in this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/07/gender-studies-anti-...

Chris Key's picture

"Men may not be the enemy, yet with so few people prepared to identify as feminist in the first place, many "feminisms" are understandably wary of providing a critical male platform that might be used against women."

Nichi,

The likes of Mary Daly, who were powerful leaders of feminism during its second wave, used Women's Studies as a means of promoting hateful lies about men, children and 'patriarchy'.

Do I have to list all of the other radical homosexual second wave feminists who promoted misandry and openly lied about men? If you're unaware of them then you're not qualified to say you "speicalise" in sexual politics.

Has it ever occurred to you that the reason feminazis refuse to acknowledge men's issues in "gender studies" is because the evidence refutes their rhetoric about patriarchy?

If there was a patriarchal bias in society, as the feminists claim, and as you seem to believe, then why is it that male issues are systematically ignored?

For example, men account for the vast majority of the homeless; are four to five times more likely than women to commit suicide; account for the majority of victims of violence, including homicide; are shunned by the family courts during custodial disputes, and, on average, are punished more severely than women when they commit similar crimes; receive far less funding for their health, even though they're more likely than women to die from the most prevalent diseases; experience bias in the education system from kindergarten through to the end of tertiary education, and so on. I could list a whole page worth of other issues that affect men, but for the sake of not making my message any longer than it needs to be, I'll leave it at that.

The reason feminism refuses to acknowledge men's issues is because its bigoted followers are running a scam. Their state-funded occupations rely on them convincing people that women are victims and that all men are evil. Anyone who "pretends" to not realise this is either an evil liar or a dullard.

McMac's picture

Top work janlog! He learnt a valuable lesson about feminist logic, sure enough.

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