Sexual assault victim has “form for dressing provocatively”, says Daily Mail
The British newspaper's take on the sustained sexual assault of CBS reporter, Lara Logan.
By Duncan Robinson Published 18 February 2011 11:59
Amid the hysteria at Tahrir Square in Cairo earlier this week, reports emerged that the CBS reporter Lara Logan was subjected to "a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating".
What was the Daily Mail's diary column's take on this event?
"Nothing excuses the Cairo sexual assault on CBS TV reporter Lara Logan, 39, but" – and you knew there would be a but – "she does have 'form' for dressing provocatively in inappropriate locations."
Wow.
According to the column, Logan was rebuked in 2002 by British military officers in Afghanistan for "flashing her cleavage", which explains why she was sexually assaulted nine years later. Doesn't it?
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32 comments
Folks, swatantra nandanwar is your standard issue idiot. You'll find on any issue whcih requires evidence of having reached Piaget's final stage of child development he falls waaaaay short.
If this sexist nonsense were reported as coming from some shabby madrassa in Luton, the Mail would be getting Mad Mel to get her denounce on. But because her rival theocrats haven't said this yet, Mel's paper can "say what we are all thinking".
I think this tells us more about islamic attitudes to women than about the poor victim. I think she would have been safer in a european or american demo, even a violent one.
I have to say, I think some of what Jon R says is sensible. But then I read what had happened to this journalist. Gang raped in public by up to 20 men. This goes beyond being propositioned for being white, or groped in a crowd. This is a horrific attack on a woman who had done nothing to deserve it except be there. There is nothing any woman can do to deserve what happened to her.
This is unbelievable. These are the same people that blame rape victims for their attack.
These are crimes of violence!
Errr it happened in Egypt by the way? Not in the UK.
It's a foreign Country with a terrible record for sexual assault towards women. Why was a female reporter even sent their in the first place?
Don't start throwing sexism BS at me people, a little bit of research and a little bit of common sense would have made it PERFECTLY obvious that she should not have been anywhere near that location at that time.
Journalists should NEVER assume they will be safe, simply because they are a journalist and have a right to be there.
Why would a random Egyptian give two shinys if you are a journalist?!
Whilst appalling, there is a distinct degree of naivety on behalf of CBS and the posters here.
Firstly, sending a female into a dangerous mob situation is always risky, but as reporters they take this risk. Anyone who believes their gender doesn't matter is being incredibly naive, sexual assault is MUCH more likely to happen to females rather than males. The point that violence happened to both sexes is valid, but raises the question of why this is the one in the news - is it a 'worse' crime than what Mr. Boehm went through, for example?
Secondly, those who believe there is no link between gender, dress style, and sexual assault is living in dreamland.
There is. Sooner we accept that the world is not a liberal paradise, the sooner we can fight this problem.
It is likely that Ms Logan was being careful, as she knew her surroundings.
However, believing that common sense applies to dress style in a conservative Muslim (or indeed Hindu or Christian) country does not equal 'she deserved it', nor does it equal 'all men are rapists'.
When I was in the Middle East and South Asia, being a white female makes you a target instantly. There are many who will honestly be confused that as a white female you do not want to sleep with them. This is a more ingrained social and media driven problem than a comment can investigate.
It was made important we understood cultural sensitivities, in terms of wearing headscarves when appropriate, not showing the amount of skin you may get away with in the UK, as well as wider dangers of walking home alone, etc (as advisable in London as it is Lahore).
The problem of what India calls 'eve-teasing' is very real, and to say it is not linked to dress style is naive in the extreme.
There are many who will be not only offended by such actions, but emboldened by them; Particularly in places where arrest, conviction of sexual assault is lower, and casual acceptance of it being the 'victims fault' is higher. (if subconscious, it exists)
You do not fight this patriarchy by wearing western clothing in an Muslim nation, you do it by increasing awareness, education and strengthening the justice system.
This does not mean sacrificing feminist principles, it is pragmatism to avoid crime. Which frankly is more important.
Jon R
'Secondly, those who believe there is no link between gender, dress style, and sexual assault is living in dreamland'.
Absolute rubbish, sexual assault and rape is ultimately about power. It is very rarely about sex and is most definitely not about dress style.
Headline this week in the Daily Mail:-
"Now the under-age Skins cast court further controversy as they star in risqué lingerie shoot"
Immediately below was a large picture of Eleanor Zichy, 15 in her underwear!
Oh, the irony.
I do sympathise with the plight of this young journalist and wish her well. It is probably wise when covering this kind of potentially dangerous environment to be as discrete as possible for your own safety. Violent people may detect a chink in the armour, naivety, casual dress, different looks and use that person as a scapegoat. The most important element is to keep yourself from becoming vulnerable by whatever means you have at your disposal.
Rape, especially by such a large group, is about power. But the point so many of you bigots (not all) seem to have missed almost entirely is this is a reference to what the victim wore 9 years earlier! People then talk as though she was walking around in her underwear, she was not, these acts are the behavior our a brutish mob that felt it could not be held accountable for it's actions. Perhaps if she had been wearing the niqab they may of let her pass, perhaps not, but if they had it would have only proved it was about power even more clearly. The power to terrorize people into conformity.
First of all, all sympathy with Laura Logan who will have to deal with this hateful episode for the rest of her life, probably.
Apart from the nastiness and, frankly, stupidity of some of the comments here (mOH stand out, with Swatantra surprisingly not far behind), and of course the totally expected and vitriolic idiocy from the Mail, I can't help recall being in Egypt a few years ago with my Brazilian wife. She hated it from beginning to end (whereas she loved Istanbul) for one reason alone: a constant succession of unwanted looks, muttered comments and downright unpleasantness from so many Egyptian men. Not all of course - but many. Did she dress provocatively? Depends on your point of view. She made a point of not leaving shoulders exposed, of wearing trousers rather than skirts, of covering her head in places where it was expected. Did this get her any respect? Did it hell.
My business trips to Egypt have given me the opportunity to meet so many Egyptians, and I would happily go back - but I would never expose my wife again to a place like that. I'm afraid many Egyptian men - and it includes the younger generation, if a couple of leering, foul-mouthed 25-year-olds at the pyramids are anything to go by - are living in a dark repressive place where they want women, but want to keep them in the basement, literally and metaphorically. And religion has a lot to do with this - which is the mainstream religion that isn't basically misogynistic?
What a tragedy that most comment writer here fail to offer sympathy to this women who were just doing her duty. Why should it be wrong for her to undertake assignment in foreign land? Some idiots trying to divert it to religious controversy by subtly pointing to Egypt and Muslim. Bollocks. The Daily Mail as ever is vile and xenophobic. It condemns Muslim women wearing burkha as against British way of life and try to score point by implying Muslim women are forced to cover themselves. Then again it criticise Ms.Logan for wearing dress which is the norm in UK. Do anyone know what does The Daily Mail actually stand for? As for those idiots who say they agree with Daily Mail, your head is full of ....!!!
@Jon R
I am a Muslim male. Do you think I am more likely to rape a woman a white Western male?! What an offensive and patronising point of view. What are the statistics clothing affecting sexual assaults do you think? Are you more likely to be raped at the swimming pool or at home?!
Please brush up on your armchair psychology. Sexual assault has NOTHING to do with sex and EVERYTHING to do with power and control.
Or do you think children who are victims of paedophiles should try some " pragmatism to avoid crime" too?
"Accepting cultural sensibilties" has nothing to do with RAPE. Human beings are just that, the world over. Whatever race, religion or part of the world they reside in.
THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Stu
Because women are never raped in the UK or Europe are they?
The amount of rape apologists on this thread is astounding.
To those who say she shouldn't have been there, why should women have their freedoms, or careers, or bodily autonomy taken away because some men choose to attack women?
And yes, it is a choice. Men are not animals who can't help themselves when they see a pretty woman wearing a turtle neck. Men who rape make a decision to do so. Not thinking so is offensive to men and hideously repressive towards women.
Or do you think all women should stay at home? Because we never get raped there...oh, right.
its right that she should have been able to do her job but come on, get a grip. what was CBS thinking of sending her into the middle of this. Life would be great in an ideal world.
Some of you do-gooders have no sense of reality.
I believe that "dress style" has a lot to do with sexual assault and rape. Yes, underlying this is the need for power and control but triggered by the perception of the perpetrator of the assault. Assault and rape cannot be taken out of their cultural, religious and social contexts. One must also understand how mob behavior works. While individually one may be rational, this "self" can be lost in the milieu of the mob.
I would say that if CNN had a clearer understanding of the culture and behaviors of the Egyptian communities, they may have re-considered their choice of Ms Logan.
Unless CNN deliberately chose to send her in, anticipating some kind of an event that would involve this journalist, thereby increasing viewer traffic and publicity.
However, whatever the reason, the assault on Ms Logan cannot be excused.
Still people write that her dress had something to do with it and that dress has something to do with most sexual crimes.
Sexual crimes are not about dress code, they are about violence and power. It's simple so pull your dinosaur heads out of the sand and stop blaming women for the actions of violent and abusive men.
Those who critique a woman for her dress code as someone deserving a rape or sexual assault need to ask themselves this - would your mother, daughter, wife, girlfriend, sister, aunty or best female friend deserve a sustained sexual assault because of what she wore or because she had become separated from her friends whilst in a foreign land?
Words fail me.
I cannot believe they are pushing the blame onto the victim. shameful!
of course we expect this from the daily mail. but even on the guardian CIF pages, this attitude was in full evidence. From 'egypt is no place for a woman' to 'well, she shouldn't go out looking like that'.
the rapist/attacker is only and always to blame. Not the woman. Ever.
The Mail shows exactly what she was wearing just before the assault: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1357394/Lara-Logan-attack-CBS-re... (top photograph)
Does 'EPHRAIM HARDCASTLE' think she was attacked on the basis of what she was wearing in Afghanistan in 2002?
Unbelievable.
@mOH
So your take is:
you think all men are so thick and brainless and animal-like they cannot be held accountable for any of their behaviour?
Well done thicko.
I kind of partly agree with the daily mail. Although the culprits are in no way excused and should be heavily punished...having said that, in dressing provocatively, she does have her fault into all that. You cannot provoke and expect not to be attacked. It's like going into a hungry doberman's cage with pieces of meat on your ass and expecting it to obey its master!!!
There is no excuse for the assault, but women should be more careful in not sending out the wrong messages. Not everyone on the streets is a reasonable level headed individual; there are a lot more people with personality disorders out there, and women should bear that in mind wnenever they decide to present themselves to the outside world.
She is very pretty and you definitely need to be in order to be a success in US television.
CBS really should not have put a western, female reporter into that situation, especially in a highly-charged Muslim environment where all obviously foreign reporters are also being targeted.
mOH, while you may have the brains and moral capacity of a dog, some of us like to imagine that human beings are slightly more rational than the average doberman, and are capable of exercising a degree of moral choice.
Furthermore, one could just as well argue that any super-market that shows off its wares in a tempting manner is just asking to be robbed, and that shoplifters can't be blamed for succumbing to that temptation. Yet I can't recall hearing that line from the Mail (although I must admit that may be because I try to avoid it, on the grounds that it's bad for my blood pressure).
Does anyone really expect anything else from the Daily Mail?
I find some of what you say quite sensible Jon R, though I wish it was not the case that women have to practically walk around in hessian sacks in certain cultures as they are given the blame for 'provoking' men who should, quite frankly, be able to control themselves.
I do find it abhorrent, however, that the old chestnut of 'look what she is wearing, she's asking for it' that is still an acceptable explanation for sexual assaults on women in more quarters of the UK than we would like to admit.
@A I completely agree with you - human rights are human rights. Rape does not stop being rape, just as child abuse, honour killing, genital mutilation and a million other abuses meted out against other humans beings in the name of 'culture' do not stop being essentially that, just because they happen to be socially acceptable in a given place.
Oh, and Lou - bang on.
mOH and Swatantra,
'You partly agree with the Mail' and 'women should be careful in sending out the wrong messages' - let's hope they don't have you on jury service for any rape or sexual assault charge then. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I'm speechless I'm so bloody appalled that dinosaurs like you two are still out there and can dare to make such statements.
Hang your heads in shame, you are a disgrace.
Whatever she was wearing 9 years ago when she was rebuked for her cleavage, we KNOW what she was wearing the night she was assaulted, because we have that photo taken moments before that assault. Appears to be a zip-up (sweat?) jacket over a T-shirt. No visible cleavage (unless you consider anything less than a turtleneck revealing). So why are people on this forum saying "Still, she should have known better"? or "Even if she was dressed provacatively ..." when she was NOT dressed provacatively that night she was attacked? The remarks about her "provocative" dressing were referring to the past. People, please READ the article before you comment unless you are really going to great lengths to blame this victim, either.
The Daily Mail is full of crap. On the issue of female clothing choices, its columnist Allison Pearson once wrote that women wearing the niqab, or as she phrased it "nose-bags over their faces", "have no place on British streets". But it wasn't the lack of a nose-bag that got Ms Logan beaten up in Egypt – all foreign journalists were being targeted by Hosni Mubarak's thugs. How could even a paper as rubbish as the Mail miss this?