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Anti-asylum leaflet shows Ukip's true colours.

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There are still some people who view the UK Independence Party as a single-issue party, concerned only with narrow issues of sovereignty and parliamentary democracy. But this vile anti-asylum leaflet (collected by the excellent Straight Choice) shows the party's true colours.

The leaflet was put out on behalf of the former Tory councillor David Duxbury, the party's candidate in South Ribble. It states that "you can't blame asylum-seekers for coming over when it's so easy to jump on the UK benefits bandwagon".

This, as ever, ignores that the vast majority of asylum-seekers (80 per cent) live in developing countries far less able to host them than rich nations such as Britain. The UK itself is home to less than 2 per cent of the world's refugees -- out of 16 million worldwide. It also ignores the moral obligation we have to protect those fleeing torture, war and genocide.

Ukip should no longer be treated as an eccentric and even amusing party, but as the dangerous and sinister force that it is. That so many Tories still seem to have a sneaking admiration for it says much about David Cameron's failure to modernise the Conservatives.

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29 comments

Isaac's picture

Much appreciated Daniele. It will be intresting to see whether the main political party leaders come to terms with the substance of immigration during the televised leaders debate. Watch out for the one hosted by ITV on Thursday 15th April 2010; which will focus on "Domestic Affairs".

We might hopefully get some honesty on immigration or may get more of the same usual sound bites.

Daniele1's picture

UKIP is a bit like Sarah Palin's tea party. You've got to be as mad as a hatter to vote for them.
But hey! that's what Democracy is for.To think of all the people who fought to obtain the right to vote, it makes me cry!

ieatdolphins's picture

Most 'asylum seekers' are here for the money. If an Afghan or Burmese wants refuge, he can go to India, or Japan, or Turkey. He doesn't because he knows the UK is a soft touch.

colin theobald's picture

UKIP are not a racist party. Immigration is a big issue in the election that a lot of people are worried about. To erroneously brand people as'racist' everytime anyone raises the issue, is childish and reveals deeply held predjudices that you yourselves held. What would be your answer? Unlimited immigration forever?

Bob D's picture

Yes, immigration is an issue - but do such leaflets contribute to an informed debate? Or are they just nasty?

robertsharp's picture

Colin, ieatdophins: no-one is branding *any* discussion of immigration as racist. There are frank and honest discussions about it in parliament, in all the papers and TV, all the time...

However, as George E notes, immigration is a complex issue, and you need a degree of nuance and subtlety in order to say anything sensible. Willfully simplifying the issue, and villifying those seeking asylum, doesn't look like an attempt to solve the issue, so much as cynically sowing divisions for electoral gain. George is right to call it out.

Terry7's picture

I dispute the figures quoted in the article. I could not say whether 16 million is accurate but 2% is 1 in 50. Given that the UK is a small yet extremely densely populated country I do not see why it should have to take responsibility for such a high percentage.
More to the point however, is that the true number of immigrants now in the UK is several million and that is too much for us to cope with, aside from issues like how they will be successfully integrated into OUR way of living, the minimum requirement surely whilst reasonably retaining certain customs perhaps...if they are interested in doing so of course, as many clearly are not.
Just to be clear, I have travelled for some years in many countries and learned much from others and enjoyed theis cultures, as a visitor. I do not mind having people settle here from ex-colonies and enjoy mixing with them.
BUT...no country on earth has the open door policy that the current government ran from 2000, nor would they commit their own indigenous population to sustaining so many...like I say, the true figure is several million and this will result in a massive increase in the population in future already, even if the borders were indeed closed as of now.
Does this mean every country is racist? Or simply that they have a greater care for their own people and for the ability of future generations to sustain themselves in a world where technology makes human labour ever less necessary.

TC's picture

The leaflet is daft and is a dog whistle to closet xenophobes. As per usual for anything to do with UKIP.

The debate is valid and so is the viewpoint that immigration is poorly policed and that policy here needs to be tightened.

robin's picture

@ieatdolphins "If an Afghan or Burmese wants refuge, he can go to India, or Japan, or Turkey. He doesn't because he knows the UK is a soft touch."

erm, Seeing as we've invaded their country, perhaps we owe them a little more than Japan, India or Turkey???

Phil Ruse's picture

It is a vile message. But the fact that you're trying to associate it with the Conservatives whilst ignoring Labour links seems like burying your head in the sand. They're a problem that unfortunately spans the political spectrum - let's not play cheap political games with it?

Danielle's picture

I'll vote for that all day long. Our country is sinking because those that come here who are too lazy to work, let allone learn our language! Vote UKIP!!!

Isaac's picture

Daniele, you are absolutely right, the UKIP is a bit like Sarah Palin’s tea party. Whilst I like you will not be voting for them; there are many prepared to do so for latent reasons; which I hope to address below.

In response to Joe’s comment the Labour Government should also address intellectual deficiencies surrounding the immigration debate. The BNP, EDL, UKIP and other ring wing racist xenophobic political outfits claiming to be speaking for the British ‘natives’ should really be ashamed of themselves.

Supporters these political outfits are either gullible or have had their intellect and senses impoverished by the constant denigration of asylum seekers and immigrants coming to United Kingdom.

It is right that immigration should be fairly debated and done so transparently without the main political parties cowering and capitulating to the demands of those who claim to speaking for the natives.

Contrary to their public remarks and statements on immigration the main political parties are aware of the facts surrounding immigration; and it has nothing to do with the disingenuous claims that it is adding pressure on public services. If that at all was the case then any government could have taken corrective measures to address the problem many years ago by limiting the number of entrants from specific countries who regularly flout their visa conditions.

It is a matter of fact the major concern with current administration of immigration policy is that has not been effective enough in tracking down and removing overstayers. For many BNP, EDL, UKIP and other ring wing racist xenophobic political outfits supporters reading this entry; it should come as a surprise to realise the number of overstayers from countries like Australia, New Zealand and to a lesser extent Canada and United States are by far disproportionate to the total number of immigrants from so called ‘third world countries’ put together.

The UKBA record will show that you have more Australians flouting their visa conditions and overstaying.
If you doubt my claim just put in a freedom of information request to the Home Office.

This now brings me to the subtext of the immigration debate. On the proviso that you are White Caucasian and English speaking, you can come in drove to the United Kingdom. This is evidenced in the fact that although we have more Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians and Americans in violation of their visa conditions by mostly overstaying and thus adding pressure to the demands of public service; yet you will never hear the likes of Migration Watch UK, the Home Office and British Government openly acknowledge it to be a fact.

Sadly, it has become fashionable to focus wrongly on non White Caucasian ethnic minorities who in total account for less than 10 percent of the UK population; if you include the figures of those who are British Citizens along with asylum seekers and immigrants.

This fashionable trend has taken over many years to evolve and become a settled argument in the psyche of the political elites, whose tough talking on immigration is music to the likes of BNP and UKIP, and a shameless act of gross opportunism, and cheap stunt to win seats in parliament on Thursday 6th May 2010.

This is why many people are right in accusing those who advocate immigration policies instigated by BNP and UKIP as racist because there is no substance to their argument; just fear mongering and a disdain for those who are ethnically different.

When will these xenophobes stop pretending and face up to their racist view?

mick's picture

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Bob H's picture

I hate UKIP because they stand on blanket issues and campaign using FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt).

The UK is by no means "full" and for those who are concerned about competition remember: the reason they get the work is that most of them work harder. Wages isn't the issue, I have worked with many different people from many different countries and in general foreign labour works harder. If a foreign worker has stolen your job it was because you couldn't keep it!

In addition most of the people who come here are not "asylum seekers", they are migrant workers with a genuine right to work here under the law.

Shaun's picture

Asylum seekers have no right to claim Asylum in UK by international law.
The first safe country they come to should be the country they claim Asylum in.
The Asylum seekers in France waiting to come across, already have safe Asylum.

Michael's picture

One of the reason's why we have such a large national debt, is because of the such soft/socialist benefit's system we have, this encourage's mass immigration to take advantage of it!

it must stop for a number of reasons, immigration is one

Peter's picture

Storm in a teacup. A wide majority of the public already know that immigration is out of control.

Jack's picture

To Colin Theobald: Racism is not mentioned once in this article and as you are the first person to comment using this term, you have laid your insecurities bare.

Carolyn F's picture

I'm sorry but, "the moral obligation we have to protect those fleeing torture, war and genocide.."??? Since when was another country's pathetic government OUR obligation to fix? Sounds like George Eaton's got a case of post-colonial, post-WW2 guilt to me. Britain's not obligated to anyone except it's natives.

The "developing countries far less able to host them", as you so diligently observe, are the ones who need to get their act together. If America is sick of being the "police" of the world, then Britain has the right to be fed up of being the "hospital" of the world. Britain no longer prioritises it's natives and THAT is the bigger "moral" disgrace to our constitution.

"Get Lost, We're Full"? Too right. About time someone stood up for this joke of a country we've become. Well done, UKIP: tell it like it is!!!

Daniele1's picture

Isaac:
A big thank you for taking the time to explain the FACTS of immigration.
I would have written a similar long piece if I was less lazy and if I thought it would actually penetrate the skulls of the supporters of xenophobic parties.
Unfortunately I don't think it will make the slightest bit of difference to the Neanderthal crowd out there.

self-interested, whining idiots.'s picture

"I'm sorry but, "the moral obligation we have to protect those fleeing torture, war and genocide.."??? Since when was another country's pathetic government OUR obligation to fix?"
Since you were the ones bombing them, pricing them out of fair competition by subsidising EU goods to keep them competitive against those coming from developing countries, and suffering the aftereffects of colonialism.

Carolyn F, your "I'm sorry but" is ridiculous given your complete and utter lack of compassion. I'm not sorry at all to tell you that you are a blithering idiot.

And by the way, it's "its".

self-interested, whining idiots.'s picture

"Since you were the ones bombing them, pricing them out of fair competition by subsidising EU goods to keep them competitive against those coming from developing countries, and suffering the aftereffects of colonialism."

Bit of a messy sentence, but if anyone doesn't understand the many conflicts created by drawing borders with no knowledge or care as to how it affects those who live there, don't bother responding.

Domi's picture

That statement is hilarious!!!!
Corporations and capital can move to 3rd world countries in order to pay workers really low wages and make bigger profits BUT if those same workers want to move to the corporations country of origin in order to earn more THAT IS NOT ALLOWED.
FREE MOVEMENT OF CAPITAL IS FINE BUT FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE IS NOT
DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!

Evan's picture

wow! what a vile article... a postcard that humourously gets the anti-immigration/asylum message accross is somehow racist?!? What the hell is wrong with someone expressing their views on immigration?!? Isn't this a free democratic country where people who are citizens can voice concerns about the direction of the country and its government? Apparently not!

Fred Parker's picture

Just have a look at Margot's Video where she explains UKIP's position on immigration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL04-iAyiQA

paul o sullivan's picture

If the western powers including Britain were to refrain from installing tinpot dictators under the guise of "democracy" and then proceeding to steal their natural resources, then we wouldn't have the many hundreds of thousands so called "Refugees" fleeing to Western shores to escape the "Puppet" Governments.

Isaac's picture

Well what can say, the xenophobes are back with a vengeance and as usual pick on those already demonised and marginalised by the right wing thinking politicians and their idiotic followers. If British businesses have faith in 'the natives' then they wouldn't be employing the so called asylum seekers and immigrants from the third world that are a scourge on the British way of life. It is clear that these asylum seekers and immigrants are preferred by the British Businesses to the lazy 'natives' that have generation after generation who would rather sponge of the benefit system than do a day's hard work.

This apathy amongst the naive is rich pickings for ring wing racist apostles, parties and proponents.

The educated people understand the effects of globalisation and yes, global social mobility. Ignorance is bliss at times, but there is absolutely no sympathy for stupidity and xenophobic mindset of those who believe that Britain is taking in all the world asylum seekers and immigrants. It just goes to show how little understanding they have of the way in which the world operates in the 21st Century, or maybe they are still nostalgic of Britain's past colonial and empire history which no longer exist.

Western powers should stop exporting wars, choas, anarchy and installing stooges, puppet governments and tinpot dictators in power. If natives hold their government to account and demand that the stop interfering in other countries affairs and treat them as equals; then refugees, immigrants, asylum seekers and even economic migrants will have confidence in the future direction of their countries and feel no need to come and do poorly paid jobs to keep Britain working.

Daniele1's picture

Well said Isaac.
I am appalled by the degree of ignorance and xenophobia expressed in most comments.
First there are the myths some of you guys WANT to believe in:
Economic migrants come here TO WORK, not to sponge off the system. In any case, they wouldn't be entitled to benefits for a number of years after they have arrived.
Then there is the question of asylum seekers. These have no right to anything while their application is processed which could take months or even years, NO BENEFITS and NO RIGHT TO WORK. What more or rather what less do you want?
Then I love the argument that asylum seekers should seek refuge in the first country they can run to. Great idea! Britain being an island, then nobody would come here! Terrific logic. And the country next to a dictatorship or a war zone would get millions of refugees, like Pakistan should get all the Afghans and Italy should get all the North Africans etc.. But hey! who cares? Britain would have no one!It is obvious that the problem of the world refugees must be shared by all the countries who can help, and that includes Britain.
Finally like Isaac and others point out, asylum seekers and economic migrants come here mostly as a consequence of our foreign policy (we bomb them) or because of the savage global capitalism which is perpetuating a new form of slavery throughout the third world.
But I don't suppose the people who write above are interested in such facts.
They, put simply, just hate "bloody foreigners".
As to UKIP they have revealed their true colours when they allowed Farage to disgrace himself and this country, in Brussels.Thanks Nigel!

JoeDeMocritus's picture

Immigration is one of big issues in the election. If Labour wishes to ignore the fact then they will lose votes.

What is more important is the lack of integration by the immigrant communities. Labour's multiculturalism has created foriegn ghettos in our cities. We need policies to integrate these people who have chosen to live here into our British culture.

If that's UKIP's view then good for them. They might get my vote.

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