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Ten reasons why police commissioner elections leave us cold

The elections offer little more than an expensive way of leaving us all more disillusioned.

Former deputy prime minister John Prescott.
Former deputy prime minister John Prescott is standing as the Labour candidate for Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner.

Duggan. Tomlinson. Hillsborough. Leveson. Police charged with upholding the law have repeatedly broken it. Few would deny that our forces need to radically change to win back public trust. So why, when police corruption is such a hot topic, do police commissioner elections leave us so cold? Sadly, I can think of at least ten reasons.

Many of the problems stem from the constituencies being far too big (1). Individual commissioners will be expected to serve over a million people across spurious boundaries that people don’t emotionally identify with. Thames Valley for example crosses 21 parliamentary seats. It’s nuts to think that you can meaningfully reach all of these people and connect with their diverse concerns. 

Partly because the constituencies are so big, they’ve become dominated by party politics (2). Independent candidates like Gillian Radcliffe and Khan Juna have pulled out because they don’t have the resources to campaign across such huge areas or put up the £5,000 deposit to run. So elections that were supposed to bring in new blood are reinforcing the old guard. 

Once one party fields a candidate, others feel obliged to respond. Labour’s candidate for Hampshire, the well experienced Jacqui Rayment, was initially opposed to police commissioners, but is now fighting night and day to win because she and her excellent team believe people deserve a better choice than the Tory Michael Mates.

This problem is exacerbated by the fact that good independent candidates – largely those with experience - have been ruled out by overly strict eligibility criteria (3). Take the Falklands war hero Simon Weston. At 14-years-old he was fined for riding in a car he didn’t know was stolen, and that tiny glitch has barred him from running. Bob Ashford, well experienced in the youth justice system, was ruled out for a minor conviction when he was thirteen in 1966.

In the rare case where independent candidates can afford to stand, you have to question where they are getting the money and why (4). An excellent investigation by Andrew Gilligan in the Telegraph exposed how secret lobby funding from the US funded Mervyn Barrett, largely because he supported outsourcing police budgets to private companies. People were suspicious when Barrett had a chauffeured Mercedes and free campaign DVDS, but a legal loophole meant he didn’t need to declare his funding sources until after election. Apparently more candidates are being financed in this way, but we don’t know how many.

Then there’s the more conceptual problem (5). Police commissioners are supposed to be able to set strategic priorities for the 41 police areas, agree budgets and hire and fire chief constables. But as Jon Harvey points out, we don’t know how they will interact with chief constables who maintain operational control. Will commissioners be quiet watchdogs overseeing largely autonomous officers, or attack dogs that force huge decisions on them like privatisation?

In a year when police integrity has dominated the headlines, we should be using these elections to have a major debate about the culture of our forces. We need to talk about how officers win trust rather than cope with suspicion and hostility, particularly amongst young people. We need to talk about how we can prevent as well as punish. But apart from a small minority like Jane Basham in Suffolk, these elections are failing to address these issues (6). Most debates are being overshadowed by cuts.

Then there’s the issue of populism (7). Charities and campaigners have raised concerns that people will vote on the issues they are most likely to see or get passionate about, rather than the crimes that are most dangerous or damaging. Domestic violence, trafficking, murder and international criminal gangs are notoriously unseen and underground. Given the elections have failed to produce an engaged or informative debate, we could vote for priorities that make us feel better, but leave us objectively less safe.

And let’s not forget that we are spending a huge amount of money on this (8). Police commissioners are being paid up to £100,000 a year. That’s a lot more than MPs. Creating a new class of politicians at a time of austerity is not going to fly well with the electorate. Yet even these figures don’t guarantee they’ll have the resources they need. Will commissioners have an allowance for office staff for example, or will they serve as their own very expensive secretaries? It doesn’t feel thought through.

Like the NHS reforms, it’s obvious this project has not been designed with people of experience (9). Officers themselves do not seem in favour of the new position, and the former heard of Scotland Yard Sir Ian Blair recently called on people to boycott the elections. This government needs to learn that if reform is going to work, it must be owned by the people who work with the consequences day in day out. Without them it’s just an academic exercise.

All of these problems are fuelling the last and final problem: turnout (10). At the moment, the Electoral Reform Society predicts just 18.5 per cent. If that happens, the legitimacy of the positions will be brought into question. As Andrew Neil deftly pointed out this Sunday, Conservative ministers have argued that unions should have a threshold turnout to legitimately vote on a strike. Why should commissioners be any different?

I appreciate all of this can sound rather negative. It’s true that if the left wants to criticise, it should come up with a positive reform agenda of it’s own, because we all know the present system isn’t working. But not having an alternative doesn’t mean this reform is right. In their present state, police commissioners offer little more than an expensive way of leaving us all more disillusioned.

25 comments

 twit's picture

Is it right this will stop crime are we going to see real justes done
I DONT THINK SO JUST ANOTHER JOB FOR A CHEATING PARTY MEMBER WHO
CAN FILL A BACK POCKET

DanThom's picture

If you think more than 1 person should hold the police to account spoil your ballot!

notjarvis's picture

"In an excellent investigation by Andrew Gilligan in the Telegraph exposed how secret lobby funding from the US funded Mervyn Barrett, largely because he supported outsourcing police budgets to private companies."

he did no such thing - the Telgraph article was poorly researched, and Gilligan's conclusions were largely based on the unlikely claims of a convicted and known Fraudster who was acting as the campaign manager for the PCC candidate..
Look at this blog for further information "pme2013.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/a-warning-about-matthew-brown.html"

There is no real, solid evidence that this US funding group exists (it's not registered in the US anywhere), so if it does it's incredibly low key AND wants to get involved with known fraudsters.

Gilligans response to the blog discussing his piece was errm ungracious to say the least, by the way.

New statesman michael coughtrey's picture

The post of Police Commissioner is designed by politicians for politicians. £85,000 pa for an inexperienced figure head is an insult to the struggling taxpayer. More than that it's downright daylight robbery. I am reminded of the days when the upper class treated the rest of us as peasants. In short the post of Commissioner on such a high salary is immoral, disgusting and scandalous.

Victor Delta's picture

1. The old police authorities may not have been prefect but it would have been easier and cheaper to reform them rather than set up all these new highly-paid political posts.
2. Who will police the police commissioners?
3. How does this all fit with the Big Society policy - not at all as far as I can see?
4. Bottom line, how much money will it save? None, it will cost more for little, if any, benefit. Not a good time to be making such a move.
5. Looks and feels as if the policy has not been properly thought through or tested.
6. Why is it so hard to find anyone who supports the policy - always a bad sign!

John P Reid's picture

[points 5-8 Spot on, Bit of A technicality and in poor taste, But o one has actually been found guilty of criminality in Both Ian Tomlinson and Mark duggans case

Steve Milward's picture

I couldn't care less about this election, where you need £5k entrance fee. Free elections??

It should be free to enter an election. Get rid of the entrance fee/deposit... bygone age. Then, people with some thing to say about issues may speak up and put themselves up to election. Turnout may/should increase. So long as elections are restricted economically to the political classes, what does it matter to the ordinary person, who is never listened to?

Police Chief David Couper's picture

How about using my blog and book as a template for your efforts at improving/reforming your police? See my blog "improvingpolice" on Wordpress.

soapy's picture

Rowenna forgot to mention the timing of these stupid elections.When has November been the best time to hold any election?

Anyoldiron's picture

The proposal for elected Police Commissioners is obscene at this particular point in time, even if it was a good idea in the first place, which it is not. Our Forces are being cut to the bone, our Navy, essential for an Island Nation-well, the disgust of taking out an aircraft carrier befor its time and then to announce SHARING one with France-probably without any 'planes to put on the thing, the deep shame of all that and then to waste money on ELECTED (political) POLICE COMMISSIONERS, in absolutely mindless. Scrap the wole idea now before too much harm is done to our Country and our Police Service as a whole.

Exactly who thought this idea up in the first place? If we must have Police Commissioners because of? They must surely have come up through the "ranks" and have first hand knowledge of what British Policing is about and surely they should be British through and through?

Mick Donoghue's picture

Yes, it is a big waste of money at this time. Yes, it has been introduced badly and defeats the original objective - overview by a majority Political Party is being replaced with overview by a Political Party's individual nominee.

BUT rather than not voting, it would be a more effective expression of dissent to spoil your ballot paper. Perhaps someone could come up with a suitable but non-abusive slogan?

 twit's picture

lets all put up a nominee on the balet paper say///// MONKEY ????
Cant be as bad as Labour Tory or Lib AND WE WOULD GET A CRIME FREE
NOMINEEWITH NO BACK POCKETS NO LIES AND NO PARTIES ONLY A
TEA- PARTY. L.O.L

Posh Tosh's picture

This is a NHS statement More people will die on the election of Commizars day than any other day of the year - one electoral boredom,;the other the higher rise than normal of people sat on the couch and not exercising.

It seems that all candidates once elected will carry the badge of Hazard County, wear a white hat and suit and stutter when camera's are on them.

John Prescott is well prepared, and a Mason to boot!

bill23's picture

If the commissioners turn out to be freemasons like many chief constables, we will have really dropped ourselves in it.

Posh Tosh's picture

I would like to know why Manchester City Council only send two letters to both people that live within my apartment block, both that are Labour supporters, and yet have twice had to go down to the 'Village' Hall aka called a Town Hall, apparently serves just 270,000 voters, in Manchester to get on the voters list.

Strange thing is that I am the one that sends in the lists for the other three apartments here. Indeed I was asked to return another list with effect being that if I did not send in a list of the people here, then I would be charged £with electoral default and charged in excess of £1,500 plus costs. I got on to the multi-lingual section and they could state, "oh we send out a general letter when we do not get any contact, do not worry about it", Just send in the letter with the names and your signature to ensure that we have the list in time.

Then told them "Well that is strange as I have acceptance off the voting section employee's within the Election registration Office thanking me for sending in the list and with a date and time.

the question is, "am I able to bring the same level of fine fine on officers that continue to neglect that there are two others apartments beside my own that are continually denied voting rights???.

I may have to add that I may have to write in another language to get an effective reply.

I would hate to think I am denied rights along because I have been a councillor and parliamentary candidate that has fought against political corruption in Manchester???

Davidaslindsay's picture

Now that nominations have closed for the ludicrous, dangerous positions of Police and Crime Commissioner, I shall be voting for Labour's Ron Hogg, as recommended by the man I know who knows most about this sort of thing, my Parish Council colleague, Bob Glass. I assume that it is First Past The Post. If not, then my second preference will go to my erstwhile neighbour, Kingsley Smith. Unless he is one of those on whom see below. Is he? The Conservative candidate here in Durham is 21. Yes, you read aright. Twenty-one years old. And there is no Lib Dem at all. Signs of the times, brethren. Signs of the times.

I quite understand why Lord (Sir Ian) Blair wants people to abstain. But, as with Obama and Romney, someone is going to win. However, I wouldn't blame anyone who couldn't be bothered, and it looks as if most people are going to take that view. Once that pitiful turnout is a matter of record, Labour should promise to abolish these positions, as part of a comprehensive restoration of the powers of councillors, parliamentarians, magistrates and jurors.

I have been as critical as anyone of Andrew Gilligan, once the man who exposed the Dodgy Dossier, since he went over to the Dark Side. More than anything, it has been his painfully obvious desire to overcompensate that has really proven an irritant. But he has done well in securing the withdrawal of a suspiciously well-funded "Independent" candidate in Lincolnshire, one Mervyn Barrett, a bought and paid for servant of G4S (which, terrifyingly, has already taken over Lincolnshire's custody suites, central control room and firearms licensing department, but which tweeted about a fortnight ago that it had a candidate in every area) and of the Fund for the New American Century, a neoconservative think tank. Now, how about a few exposés of rather more prominent figures with distinctly questionable links to the American neoconservative think tank circuit?

Take, for example, Michael Gove, a longstanding Blair groupie who once wrote that he wanted to swoon into the Great Man's arms, and a key player in the London subsidiary operation of the American Trotskyism that is the neoconservative movement. Gove came up through the 1980s New Right, which had few political and no sociological differences with the the New Left that eventually became New Labour. They both acted out their stated aims to legalise drugs, to abolish the age of consent, and so on.

The only difference was as to which foreign dictatorships they supported, and took payment from: the Soviet Bloc or China in one case, apartheid South Africa and various Latin American military juntas in the case of Gove and friends. A generation later, they could and did both agree on George W Bush. It is worth noting that for more than 20 years now, the only foreign interest willing or able to interfere financially in British political life has been the axis of American neoconservatives, who are not even in government in their win country, and the secular Israeli Far Right, which most unfortunately is very much in government in its own country.

The latter is funded entirely by the former, an arrangement which would be illegal in the other direction. It is also illegal here, but no one seems to care. They did, rightly, when the USSR used to fund the CPGB. They would if any other foreign interests were funding British politicians. But they don't care about this. Funny, that.

And then there are the links between the Coalition and the American healthcare companies. Go on, Andrew Gilligan. I dare you. You'd have to do a Paul Foot and publish it in Private Eye after your newspaper had refused to print it. But go on. I dare you.

Gove has just denounced Disraeli. Fine. By all means let Labour be the only party of the Tory populist tradition, far more of which was in any case carried over into it than into a party defined by the takeover of the Tory machine by successive waves of Country Whigs, Patriot Whigs, Liberal Unionists, Liberal Imperialists, National Liberals, Owenite refugees after the collapse of the SDP, and now Orange Book Lib Dems.

BDoherty's picture

I have some experience of Jacqui Rayment from Hampshire and the experience has not been totally positive so far. It seems there is some scope for charges of double standards because she is stressing anti-social issues which is exactly the area in which I am being critical of the Portsmouth Police police.neam.co.uk

Hugh C Markey's picture

John Prescott is the best reason for the creation of a Police and Crime Commissioner. He will set the standard and others had better keep up.

If political parties were not funding candidates the only people to be elected to these positions would be those approved of by very secretive organisations, lobby groups, and nefarious gangs camouflaged as sheep.

The Shield

Hugh C Markey's picture

John Prescott is the best reason for the creation of a Police and Crime Commissioner. He will set the standard and others had better keep up.

If political parties were not funding candidates the only people to be elected to these positions would be those approved of by very secretive organisations, lobby groups, and nefarious gangs camouflaged as sheep.

The Shield

Matt Taylor's picture

I am the unofficial Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner Candidate because I couldn't bring myself to hand over the £5000 deposit required to stand in the forth-coming Police and Crime Commissioner elections set for 15th November 2012.

Come on, I'd be a fool to throw £5000 down the drain. I'm not a gambling man and couldn't bank on getting 5% of the vote, to get it back. Bearing in mind Katy Bourne, Godfrey Daniel and Ian Chisnall haven't had to put up their own money, I decided the best thing to do was try another way.

Each candidate was required to hand over 100 signatures and a £5000 deposit (10 times the deposit required to stand as a Member of Parliament), by 19 October 2012.

Five candidates have come forward, Tony Armstrong (UKIP), Katy Bourne (Conservative), Ian Chisnall (Independence), Godfrey Daniel (Labour) and David Rogers (Liberal Democrat).

But I'm not going to let stupid bureaucracy stand in my way of my dream job. Lets remember that even Nick Herbert, the minister who brought through the PCC legislation resigned. Actions speaks louder than words and his resignation says a lot about the state of these elections.

I'm now the unofficial candidate, introducing a new concept into politics called Guerrilla Democracy.

I am always pushing the boundaries and will continue to do so. I want voters to exercise their democratic right to spoil their ballot papers by writing SOS on them.

Standing on an anti-corruption platform I'm calling for the IPCC to investigation claims of police corruption surrounding the 1996 murder of Brighton born Katrina Taylor.

I have crime files which name the killers and indict up to 50 police officers involved in the murder cover-up of Katrina Taylor. As of yet no-one has been brought to justice for Katrina's murder. It's been a voyage of discovery since running in this election and the examples of police corruption uncovered is truly shocking.

With the elections being widely regarded as a waste of public money, and with well known public figures such as the former Met Police Commissioner Ian Blair calling for voters to boycott it. Public confidence in elected Police and Crime Commissioners is widely held with ignorance and indifference.

If elected drugs and prostitution will be low priority crimes, freeing the police to concentrate on other priorities such as theft, domestic abuse and anti-social behaviour.

I would expand the charitable and voluntary sectors in community policing on a scale never before seen. We must face facts that more and more police officers are being taken off the streets, and it's imperative we have systems to fill the void.

I'll be a champion for the police and community in equal measure. And work towards making a cleaner police force, a more tolerant police force and the best police force in the country.

I have the integrity, intelligence and independent to be a great Police and Crime Commissioner, so be brave Sussex and vote for me.

I'm appearing at a Sussex University Hustings on Wednesday 31st October starting at 5pm.

Come along if you want.

Hikaru22's picture

Rowenna Davis:

'Andrew Gilligan in the Telegraph exposed how secret lobby funding from the US funded Mervyn Barrett, largely because he supported outsourcing police budgets to private companies. People were suspicious when Barrett had a chauffeured Mercedes and free campaign DVDS, but a legal loophole meant he didn’t need to declare his funding sources until after election. Apparently more candidates are being financed in this way, but we don’t know how many.'

That is a scandal. And it is merely one sign, one indicator, to how far our political process has been corrupted by secretive American 'lobby funding'. Anyone for Parliament?

In my own household, we have received two 'Poll Cards' for the election of a 'Police and Crime Commissioner' on '15 November 2012'. But we have received no information whatsoever about who is standing, or what their individual platforms might be. I therefore have no idea who they are, what they look like, what their gender is, where they live, what their platform is, who put them up to standing, who is paying for them to stand, or what assurances they have given and received in return.

In short, we are being asked to make a completely blind and uninformed choice on '15 November 2012', which strikes me as being the same thing as No Choice At All.

I have it, on anecdotal authority, that one of the candidates lives in Chippenham. Well, I have never been to Chippenham, and Chippenham has never been to me. That is the extent of my knowledge, and it is no basis upon which to cast my vote. I am therefore left with no alternative but to NOT vote. The whole thing looks, smells and feels like a stitch-up. And that's because it most probably is.

Barrie J's picture

Like HIKARU22 we too have received voting cards but nothing else.
A little research reveals that our Labour candidate Tim Starkey (no relation to the unlamented Phyllis Starkey ex Labour M.P.) stood as a Liberal Democrat candidate (failed) in the 2010 general election.
Presumably, sensing that the Limp Damps are now about as welcome as Jimmy Saville might be at a Justin Bieber concert, a short hop to New Lab is called for and such is the cornucopia of talent available to New Labour they have welcomed him with open arms.
For myself, I would have told him to b#gger off back to where he came from.
Police Commissioners, just another strata of self serving parasites lining up at the trough of public largesse.
We won't be voting.

Hikaru22's picture

But surely a Justin Bieber concert would be the very best place for Jimmy Savile to be....for eternity?

Briar's picture

I was in Liverpool yesterday and saw a list of candidates (I haven't seen one for the place where I live). Every single one came from a political party. Policing should not be politicised. We can see what a disaster that is from the abysmal American "justice" system.

RH47's picture

Any enterprise like this is, by definition, "political". Complaining about that fact is like complaining that rain is wet.

... and politics obviously involves political parties - you can't get very far without associations of broadly like-minded individuals.

The term "non-political" is a nonsense in the public sphere - which is where politics derives and has its being. It usually disguises an extremely political attempt at appearing different.

What one can legitimately criticize is the way in which the political sphere operates - its subjection to narrow, sectional and self- interests and money (as in this country), the openness and transparency of process etc. etc. But public policy is political.

The whole enterprise of police commissioners (and city mayors) can be criticized from this perspective as an attempt to narrow control and push a particular (populist) agenda.

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