Israel is changing into a militaristic and increasingly intolerant religious state, where the number of religious extremists is growing all the time. I dread to think what they might do with Israel's nuclear arsenal one day. The right want the Israelis to feel afraid so they can step forward and protect them, which is the key to political power, control of the state, and all that goes with it. http://www.carshq.org/

willoyen: Stop deluding yourself. It was only a few weeks ago the president of Iran once again said that Israel should be eradicated off the face of the Earth. As you may recall, it was in 2005 when he [Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] said before that Israel -- he would use a nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth.” So in your twisted world: that's not a treat?

@Writeon

I certainly think we do not hear enough dissenting voices within Israel. We are given the impression that Israeli society speaks with one voice. I for one am not convinced that Bibi speaks for all Israelis. ( not to mention the Zionist lobby on this comments page who are doing a very good hatchet job for Israel which rather than drawing people to the cause, invokes aversion.

The article cited above is relevant too because it links the question of attacking Iran to the Palestine question. I have said all along that I believe the question of Palestine cannot be separated from the question of Iran. If the Israeli attack commenced, that act of war would set back the peace process for many decades to come. That is a depressing thought!!!

Arminius, do you deny you wrote this: '...something Philip would prefer to keep hidden much like the photographs of him [Philip] in Hitler Youth uniform'

The facts about Al-Husseini are from Beny Morris who quotes Philip Mattar, 'The Mufti of Jerusalem: Al-Haj Amin al-Husayni and the Palestinian National Movement.

Incidentally, Al-Husseini's calls to exterminate the Jews an his pro-Hitler policies shock even Mattar, his sympathetic biographer! The latter wrote that AL-Husseini cooperated with the most barbaric regime in modern times, the Nazis.

And Iran with its Holocaust denial, its calls for Israel to be exterminated. Well, connect the dots.

JJ - When I lived in Germany serving my country I supported Arminia Bielefeld. Incidently, Arminius was from the Cherusci tribe not the Teutones, bozo.

Arminius - save your breath to cool your soup. What on earth is the point of these rambles which have nothing to do with this blog?

@Armnius: With your ill-informed claptrap about Israel it was no revelation to see that you've never been 'East of Cyprus'. Travel broadens the mind, even the diseased one, so do travel to Israel old chap. You will also be able to see the place where Prince Philip's mother's remains are interned.

You know Prince Philip, the one you allege was photographed in Hitler youth uniform. Chortle!

And, Arminius, your antisemitism here is not just to wind people up but is sincere.

If Mariella wants to state the bleedin' obvious she can't do better than say that Bibi does not represent all Israelis. Once again and as in another thread Mariella is so caught up in her own rhetoric that she finally comes full circle and accepts that Israel is a democracy.

Mariella also says that the Zionists' 'hatchet job' is not helping the Zionist cause, rather the opposite ie 'invoking aversion'.

'The lady doth protest too much'! Why mention it if you think so? Didn't they ever teach you 'show don't tell'?

(She is a lady even though she uses OMG! and shouty capital letters. And it was very unkind of me to compare her to Goebbells. She is unique.)

'Arminius' - 'Incidently, Arminius was from the Cherusci tribe not the Teutones, bozo.'

Funny that the Goethe Institute (a German organisation) calls Arminius Teuton. I knew he was from the Cherusci tribe.

I like the way you served in the BAOR but yet believe that Churchill should have gone with the Whermacht over the Soviets. When were you radicalised?

JJ - "something Philip would prefer to keep hidden" doesn't mean they are hidden. Verstanden?
I don't care where your Al-Husseini "facts" come from, they are wrong. SS Hauptamt recruited the Handschar Division and it fought exclusively in Jugoslavia as a Division. The unit only fought against the Russians as a Kampfgruppe in Hungary when most of the Bosnians had been released from service or had deserted. Even as a Division in Bosnia it was not exclusively Muslim (or even Bosnian) since it included Germans, Austrians, Croats and Kosovar Albanians in its ranks.
Stick to connecting dots with your crayons.

The doublespeak and hypocrisy displayed by Israel is breathtaking. Under the Shah as documented in the book Oil of Kings Israel was providing Nuclear technology assistance to Iran. Installed as a western puppet supplying nuclear assistance to Iran was never considered to be a problem.

Fast forward 20 years or more and now when the face or government does not fit, Israel now says Iran is a danger!!!

It's clear that Israel is not going to attack Iran now and in an election year. Even the head of Mossad Dagan has once again said that there is no need to attack.

@Mariella at 17.04
Richard kemp is' much in demand at jewish organisations and synagogues.' golly how terrible what an absolute scumbag. No doubt if the war hero col.kemp was popular in some scumbag mosque that glorifies honour killing, stoning women to death and hanging Gays from cranes in public squares - he'd be your absolute hero!
Just how many women and gays and blacks have you butchered or incited their butchery Mariella (aka Mehdi 'non-Moslems live like animals' Hasan )

Arminius, why do you downplay Al-Husseini's genocidal alliance with Hitler and his correspondence with Eastern European countries not to save the Jews?

Writeon bangs on about his/her Jewish heritage in an attempt to gain instant validity for his/her views. The fact that he/she needs to mention it twice is even overkill.

And for the record, I am against an attack on Iran now and so are most Israelis, I believe.

Palestine must be free of all Jewish subhuman scum just like Article 7 of the Hamas Charter states. In fact Article 7 call for these subhuman non-Moslems to be killed. Too good for these for animals.

I believe Zushi is absolutely right in his assertion that the question of Iran's nuclear weapons cannot be separated from broader regional Middle East issues. We cannot discuss Iran without discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict. The two are inextricably linked. Whether we like it or not the failure to resolve the Palestine question is a major running sore. It seems to me that past and current Israeli governments have no interest in reaching an accommodation with the Palestinians. As long as Israel is top dog military and has the ear and support of the US, it will continue to dictate the terms of the debate. Dictating the agenda and giving nothing in return is what Israel has done all along. Clearly current and past Israeli political leaderships thinks this hard-line position yields results, because in the hard light of day despite numerous peace discussions over decades have made the plight of the Palestinians worse, not better.

@ Alexander

Your first point about establishing the origins of the Muslim link with Jerusalem are irrelvant. It is clear you want to fashin that debate according to your own trenchant views on Israel. Hiding behind obscure alleged information and presetning them as facts is a ploy often used whne the argument is lost. Face it you cannot accept the fact that the Arab INDIGENUOUS COMMUNITY IN THE AREA OF PALESTINE HAVE AN UNBROKEN LINK WITH THE LAND PRIOR TO JEWISH SETTLEMENT.

The other books, authors, articles that you cite provide a selective and one dimensional view of the Palestine question. Doing a quick search on the authors you mention show that all of them have at their core a pro Zionist agenda

Eric H CLine is an active field archaeologist with 28 seasons of excavation and survey experience in Israel,including eight seasons at the site of Megiddo (biblical Armageddon) in Israel, where he is Associate Director (USA). He is also Co-Director of the renewed excavations at Tel Kabri, Israel

Ref William ALbright. Please note he was the only non Jew to be given the
award The Worthy One of Jerusalem.

It ic clear to me as it will be to all other fair minded readers of this comment page that you are selecting authors who have their own CHristian Zionist agenda. People can and will see through this. As for you reference to Khalidi a Palestinian academic you have deliberately ommitted to mention the key point in his book that Arabs predated Jewish settlements and are in fact direct descendants of the Canaanites and Jebusites.
In fact when reseraching your quotes I have found that most of your stuff has been directly copied from Middle East Forum a group heavily funded by APIAC. Here is the link for readers to see that Alexander has just copied the article entitled: Palestinians, Jebusites, and Evangelicals by David Wenkel. Middle East Quarterly.Summer 2007.

I will leave the readers to judge what they make of your contributions. That is the trouble with the Israeli lobby, they are running out of myths!!!!!

@Toussant

It is clear to me that you lack the intellect necessary to engage in sensible debate. All I have done in my submissions is to challenge a number of Zionist Myths and falsehoods. The truth is out there is you want to find it: the Israelis have perpetrated a terrible injustice on the Palestine people and until they acknowledge this fact, it is impossible to move forward with this debate. Indeed this non denial tactic is what Israel has used to sustain itself since its creation with : a land without a people to a people without a land being the core philisophy.

JJ - Not addressed to you thus f all to do with you. I could ask what your pointless guff has to do with the price of cheese but I couldn't really give a monkey's chuff. Stick to getting ready for the Shabbat.

JJ - Al-Husseini was a mere pawn to Hitler and certainly not an "ally". To the SS he was as much an Untermensch as the Jews of the Lehi who also sought an alliance with the Nazis.
Your information regarding the Bosnians in the SS was wholly inaccurate and if you were merely quoting a source then you should seek more accurate sources rather than those which suit your prejudices.

The Zionist scum on this site trot out the same old lies, myths and half-truths to justify their own prejudices and to excuse their blood-thirsty desire for war with Iran. War will only bring certain disaster both political and economic and that is why the Western powers should abandon any notion of attacking Iran militarily for the "benefit" of Israel. If Israel feels threatened by the prospect of a nuclear Iran then it should act on its own, something it will not do since it will be too costly to them with no guarentee of "success". Far better to dupe the gullable Goyim into doing the fighting and dying for them. Alternatively, Israel could try diplomacy by offering to give up the nuclear weapons it possesses in return for concessions from Iran. Given that Israel is the most heavily armed nation in the Middle East and is backed by the most militarily powerful nation on earth, sacrificing some nuclear weapons should not compromise its security too much. An Israel without or with fewer nuclear weapons will make the World a safer place since some of it nuclear arsenal is aimed at targets in Europe (including Rome).

JJ - If travel broadens the mind then you cannot have strayed far from your village of inbred morons. I have been all over Europe and to many other points "west of Cyprus" and have never felt the desire to travel to anywhere in the Midle East, least of Israel. The last relation of mine to visit that area was shot at by Jewish extremists and several of his friends and comrades were murdered by these same vicious scum. This was perticularly gauling for him since he had been in a recce unit that was close to Bergen-Belsen when it was liberated and had previously been very sympathetic to the idea of a Jewish homeland. Contact with the Irgun and Lehi provided him with a sharp reality check.
If you search through the back catalogue of Stern magazine from 1949 you will find a photo of Prince Philip in Hitler Youth uniform at camp with some of his German relations (Philip went to school in Germany before going to Gordonstoun).
In the book "The Royal and the Reich" by Jonathan Petropoulis you will see a photograph of Prince Philip at the funeral in Darmstadt of his older sister alongside his other relations who were members of the SS. When this book was published Philip confessed that he found Hitler's attempts to restore Germany's power and prestige 'attractive' and admitted they he had 'inhibitions about the Jews'.
Surely this is enough evidence for a nutbar like you to label the Queen's consort an "anti-semite" and fascist?

The bottom line is that the Left and the Islamist try to Demonize Israel at every opportunity. They do this to weaken anything and everything that affects it. No other country has so much attention heaped on by people who have never lived or visited the region and/or know little about the conflict.

It seems to me that the best way to solve the nuclear standoff between Iran and Israel is to declare the Middle East region a nuclear ree weapons zone. I doubt whether Israel would acede to this request.

Dear Mariella:

No, I was not away because I was looking for some other materials. It is just that, as I said before, unlike you who, apparently, has a lot of time on her hands to write numerous and voluminous epistles, I don't, and I had at that time better things to do than to try to argue with people who call black white and white black and have no idea what gray even is. I will refrain from any further comments except that to say that the kind of rhetoric used by the other side has descended to the level below contemptible, as have their arguments. Therefore, I do not wish to participate actively in this farce of a debate; however, I will read the continuation of debate in order to broaden my horizons as to the extent how blind, narrow-minded, and fanatical some people can be. Of course, we all know about the odious tyrants and dictators who are now part of history, but it was refreshing to find out that they are also very much among us.

Adieu!