Preview: Nick Clegg and Jemima Khan interview
“Why are the students angry with you, Papa?”
By George Eaton Published 06 April 2011 17:06
As we revealed on Monday, Jemima Khan has guest-edited this week's New Statesman. One of the highlights of the issue, which hits the news-stands tomorrow, is an interview between Jemima and Nick Clegg, whom she calls the "Tim Henman of politics". Here, to whet your appetite, are six of the most memorable exchanges.
1. Clegg on Cameron and the Murdoch clan
The Deputy PM makes it clear that, unlike David Cameron, he won't be dining with Rebekah Brooks and James Murdoch anytime soon. "It's not my world. It's never going to be my world," he says. Here's the full quote:
Well, I'm assuming that they weren't sitting there talking about News International issues . . . Look, you're putting me in a very awkward spot. If you've got an issue with it, speak to Dave. I don't hang out in Oxfordshire at dinner parties. It's not my world. It's never going to be my world.
2. Tennis with Cameron
Asked if it's true that he plays tennis with Cameron, Clegg replies:
"No, no – well, er, I think we've played one game of tennis. Of course we meet from time to time but it's always basically to talk about what we're doing in government."
Who won?
“Ah no, that's a state secret," he jokes. (Cameron won.)
3. "Why are the students angry with you, Papa?"
Clegg admits that he worries constantly about the emotional effect his work has on his children. His nine-year-old son is starting to "sense things" and recently asked him: "Why are the students angry with you, Papa?"
4. Tears of a politician
Clegg says that he attempts to lead a relatively normal life but doesn't always get the balance right, which leaves him "quite miserable". In the evenings, he likes to read novels and "cries regularly to music".
5. Clegg hits back at Miliband
Following Ed Miliband's refusal to share a pro-AV platform with Clegg, the Deputy PM hits back, accusing the Labour leader of "ranting and raving".
I see it exactly for what it is. [Ed] is a perfectly nice guy but he has a problem, which is that he's not in control of his own party, so he constantly has to keep his troops happy and he thinks that ranting and raving at me is the way to do it.
6. Afghanistan
Clegg denies rumours that he wanted to call for an immediate withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and says the coalition has made much progress in recent months.
We've now got an exit date, which we didn't have before, and a much better set of weapons on the ground. And crucially you've got the British government saying to [President Hamid] Karzai – who I had dinner with recently – this cannot be won militarily. Once you're in that far and you've had that many people die and be maimed, I think it would be morally questionable to cut and run overnight.
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49 comments
Why are the students angry with you, Papa?
Because, even though they voted for us, not enough seats were won by the Lib Dems at the last election to get our policies through on education and health. If the sad folks who did not trust us enough to vote for us so reverted to Con/Labour had actually given us their vote we could have ended up with a majority and student tuition fees would have been scrapped. It is still Lib Dem policy to do so. Tell them all to vote for us next time,son. Meanwhile uncle Vince will carry on doing his best.
The LibDems have been sold down the river by Clegg's about-turn on his pre-election promises. He has scuppered the party's future chances through his desperate rush to power, but the other LibDems merely add fuel to the fire through their lack of protest at Clegg's duplicity and cowardice. Where is Kennedy or Menzies, why has Cable chosen a vow of silence? If they don't speak up, one can be forgiven for thinking that these other LibDems are just as complicit in the scam that was the pre-election LibDems.
I, for one, voted for the LibDems - I was taken in by the conman lines of a better politics, of a brighter future, by the principled stand Kennedy took against the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions and colonisation, by the redeployment of funds from Trident to a fairer distribution and safety netting for the disenfranchised and vulnerable. What happens? Clegg sucks up to his buddy Cameron and barely even makes a dent in the vicious full frontal assault on the NHS, JSA and benefits, education, and jobs. He deserves to be shamed ... and blamed ... and the LibDem apologists who crop up here to support Clegg merely add more layers of deception to the already vile accumulation of betrayal and self-serving power-mongering that is the ConDem coalition whereby Tory viciousness is given a veneer of humanity by pushing Clegg into the front-line. He is a punch bag ... but he is the Tory's punch-bag, a scapegoat behind whom they hide, the Tory's useful idiot. And yet here he is now crying the blues and polling for public sympathy off the backs of his own kids' wondering why his father is so vehemently disliked, untrusted and derided.
Clegg - for once in your spoilt life, grow some, pull the plug on the coalition and do something that your kids may be proud of you for: blow the whistle on this Tory programme of social eugenics.
At the very least he could have got the ConDems down to £6,000 max with Uni tuition fees, if anything.
He has done nothing of substance as deputy dawg. Impotently sterile in this ConDem setup.
So, stonewalling on those News International dinners -"not my problem"
Attacking the Opposition - "its Eds problem" - for carrying out Opposition.
"I'm a bit glum"
Well, it was deffo worth it, getting Jemima to edit NS for this surprising and insightful article wasn't it?
http://clemthegem.wordpress.com
Fun reading. As a Libdem I can only say that my faith in the party has been shattered. The tuition fee increase was a political disaster. Clegg had to be brought to ground on the NHS by the party the public and an informed rap artist. He is good at scoring own goals. "I forgot I was in charge of the country." Does power corrupt?
I would support a motion of no confidence fully.
" "Why are the students angry with you, Papa?"
Here you go Nick:
Because i'm a self serving political opportunist of the highest order, telling students what they wanted to hear to grab their votes - then used that support to stab them in the back.
Because I ran for office in the general election as a Lib Dem but now I enforce and enable Tory Ideology.
Not in charge of his own party? Nick doesn't even represent his own party anymore. A yellow tie doesn't make you a Liberal Democrat. More like a big yellow streak up his belly.
It comes to something when the hate reaches his young family. I'm a Lib Dem and fully support Nick and the coalition. Yes we've had some things that could have been handled better, but I don't think there is anyone working harder than Nick.
He does not deserve most of the flack he gets. Anyone would think he was PM rather than Cameron, and I don't see Cameron being a man and stepping forward to take any flack.
Nick is working hard behind the scenes - how on earth do people think the NHS proposals are now on hold?? And he's doing it for us!
I know there'll be some vitriol thrown back at me for this comment - but I just wish people would remember that Nick is a human being and has feelings and his children shouldn't be asking questions like that.
This has to stop, especially now it is starting to harm his family! Give him a break!!!
Now I'll brace myself for those spouting pathetic vitriol...
Gerry, plenty of Lib Dems are completely behind Nick Clegg, myself included. And as someone who would, at heart, rather be in coalition with Labour, it puts my mind more and more at ease every time I hear Labour figures shrieking banshee-like at their base rather than coming up with sensible suggestions for sensible cuts.
You should perhaps consider the Lib Dems the only progressive party in British politics who actually want to get the country to a better place.
Sorry, Jamie, but as Libdem I can firmly state that Clegg has been a disaster as leader. Many other party members feel the same, but are reluctant to come out and say so; however, the May elections could well bring about a Bonfire of the Councillors, and if that happens be prepared for some discourteous language from the party grassroots.
After all, why should the ship go down with the captain?
Mark Serwotka for PM!....
Hahahaha....You almost had me believing you there Jamie!!!
Can i second Mark Serwotka for PM please :)
Well... I tried. I'm not saying the entire party is behing him - clearly it's not - but there are those who support the decision to form the coalition and believe that it would have been irresponsible not to. And while I agree with Nick, I also think that it's a healthy thing that many Lib Dems don't. The worse thing would be to lose our identity as a party.
Its a bit odd to say Labour are particularly divided. Divisions within parties are normal, the Tory right disliked Cameron before but hate the coalition even more and there are divisions between Labour left/right over how to deal with the deficit. The problems the Lib Dems have are of a different order, losing over half their support and facing electoral oblivion in local and devolved assembly elections. Its Clegg who is trying to deflect attention on this.
Also not having Clegg at pro-AV events makes political sense - the man is genuinely very unpopular and rightly so. If he actually wants AV to succeed he needs to stay away, but presumably wants to be able to take credit if it passes.
Jamie
You should perhaps consider the Lib Dems the only progressive party in British politics who actually want to get the country to a better place.
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I once thought you could be. Not anymore.
@Jamie
Is unemployment at a 17 year high a good place to be?
I take it your aware, because of the 1st Osborne budget, the OBR have forecasted an extra 100,000 unemployed for 2011.
It seems Lib Dems have forgotten that Clegg was bragging that the deficit would be eliminated by 2015. The OBR forecasted that in 2015 the Government will be borrowing £23 Billion, strangely no retraction from the Deputy Prime Minister.
Mark Serwotka for PM!
I third that, whilst cancelling my NS subscription - Jemima Khan - sheesh, gimme a break.
Tracy, it sounds like you have met him or are friends with him. This is not all about Nick Clegg, or any one person. Thnk about what he is allowing to happen to thousands of people in our country by allowing the Conservatives to do what they want. Especially as the Lib Dems gathered their votes in explicit opposition to the policies he is enabling the Tories to put through.
I am in Sheffield Hallam and voted for Nick himself...it makes the betrayal even worse.
I'm a Nick Clegg supporting Lib Dem too. From what I see, he works incredibly long hours to implement as much Lib Dem policy as possible, working in collaboration with Cameron.
I don't know why people are suprised that he's just a normal human being who cares about his family and about his work.
But despite this drip, drip of bad news, our local membership of the Lib Dems is up and we're standing more candidates than ever in the upcoming elections.
@Jesse
Nick Clegg has talked to us locally - I don't know him personally. He was totally on top of the detail of policies, he is straightforward about the problems and I think the right word is "humble". Almost this is why people have it in for him I think, he doesn't bluster and he doesn't seem massively arrogant. Maybe we're used to politicians who are?
And... I wish we'd had a chance of government when there wasn't a huge deficit. Of course things would be difficult, and we had policies to help with apprenticeships and training that might have helped with unemployment of young people. I believe that ultimately we'll have fewer people unemployed in the long run than if we'd just carried on borrowing and borrowing.
"You should perhaps consider the Lib Dems the only progressive party in British politics who actually want to get the country to a better place.
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I once thought you could be. Not anymore."
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Why? Because election night left them with just 8% of the seats in parliament, yet the responsibility to make sure some kind of government was formed out of what the electorate had decided? Because they saw that leaving a minority Tory government to call another election in 6 months time and gain a majority would have been a disaster for the country's poorest, and decided to form the only government that was left possible given the parliamentary arithmatic and poor support from labour for a rainbow coalition (which may also have been too unstable to survive the decisions needed to do anything with the deficit, even the halving of it in 4 years Labour currently says it would do).
The question is not why are they supporting a Tory government, but how have they managed to take as much of the sting out of it as they have with the tiny amount of MP's WE gave them on election night.
If people wanted Lib Dem policies they should have voted for them. They didn't vote for the Lib dems, and we now don't have Lib Dem policies. There's no point crying about our decisions now, just be thankful somebody is keeping a check on the bonfire of public services, and trying to put the poorest first... because it's more than we could have hoped for with the Tory's completely in charge.
Without the Lib Dems as coalition partners we would now have seen the
NHS concerns ignored, the cap on tuition fees completely removed, and no increase in the personal allowance, leaving those at the lower end of the pay scale even worse off.
There is a saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". It is exactly when those you trust the least are going to be in power that you want to have some kind of say in what happens.
" Tracy, it sounds like you have met him or are friends with him. This is not all about Nick Clegg, or any one person. Thnk about what he is allowing to happen to thousands of people in our country by allowing the Conservatives to do what they want. Especially as the Lib Dems gathered their votes in explicit opposition to the policies he is enabling the Tories to put through.
I am in Sheffield Hallam and voted for Nick himself...it makes the betrayal even worse."
How much better do you think a completely Tory government would have been? It takes a lot of courage to do something you know you will be hated for, to try and make a difference to people who will never be grateful for what you are doing.
@Jesse You need to look at the bigger picture. Do you think the Trident replacement would be on hold right now without Nick or the NHS plans being review, or the increase in income tax threshold or all the other Lib Dem policies he's got through?
Imagine the parallel universe of a sole Tory government - Trident, NHS bill pushed through with not a second thought to the public, UNcapped fees, VAT increase without an income tax threshold rise to counter the effect, no pupil premium, deeper cuts etc etc. Or under Labour who were driving us into a European bailout situation?
There's no need to vilify Nick Clegg over one policy issue - tuition fees - and whatever anyone else moans about that is the reason they hate him. It is ONE policy and it was he who fought to have fees capped - the Tories weren't going to bother until Nick and Vince insisted!
He is working so hard for US and gets no thanks whatsoever. He does not deserve to be crucified forever!
I have not read The New Statesman for ages I will buy it for the sheer comedy gold that the interview is going to serve up.
1. People hate you Mr Clegg because you try to claim that £9,000 is cheaper than £3,000!
2. You let George Osborne increase VAT which hurts the poorest the most.
3. You're letting Lansley sell off the NHS to his mates.
4. You are so far up Camerons butt that you are more tory than the tories.
Do your son a favour and show him that you are not Baldrick to Cameron Blackadder. Show some spine and stop this nonsense right now.
@Jack - it is ignorant people like you who fuel this vitriol against Nick. You are typical of these pathetic people who can only attack Nick and not see what the alternative looks like - an alternative much worse!
1) FACT - students will pay LESS per month than under the current system!
2) The Lib Dems tried to restrict the increase to 18% but failed. Nick has increased the income tax threshold - this would never have happened without him and it helps to counteract the VAT increase.
3) If it wasn't for Nick the NHS bill would not be on hold for two months and Nick, Dave and Andrew would not have been visiting hospitals today. The Tories on their own would have got the bill through without giving us lot a second thought!
4)Nick is clearly NOT a Tory or else he wouldn't be fighting for US on these issues.
If people like you would get your head out of the sand and concider the alternatives to the Lib Dems being there then maybe Nick's son would not have to ask such questions. If you have any concern at all for Nick's son (which I don't beleive you do) then you would stop spouting such crap!
This is the same eedjit who is selling us down the river on immigration and a host of other luvvie BS. If he had an ounce of manhood he would stand up for the British people instead he is a Zionist toerag and quisling bastard
Hes not even British , hes a russian married to a spaniard
Tracy and Alex, your "Lib Dems as wild beast tamers" arguments are very illuminating re your real opinions of your coalition partners.
You clearly regard them as utterly bestial, which, of course, they are.
Dear Tracy, Obviously maths is not your strongest point.
Clegg could have told Osborne no way can he increase VAT.
How was Lansley allowed to do what he is doing? If Clegg didn't know then he should stop crying to records and do find out what that Lansley crook is really up too.
Trust me after this little adventure by Clegg he will get a safe tory seat or a cushy job in Europe because he wont win Sheffield Hallam again
Tracy - I think you miss the important point that the Conservatives could not have done anything without Lib Dem approval. Uncapped tuition fees would have been impossible regardless. I don't even think the tuition fees issue was that bad - Labour would have done the same.
The big issue at the election was how to deal with the deficit. The Lib Dems promised they would not make massive cuts this year and endanger the recovery. Labour and the Lib Dems got 52% of the vote - a mandate to make cuts once the economy was on the road to recovery.
It is impossible to like Labour and I am no advocate for them but I expected him to deliver on the main principles that he stood for before the election.
http://www.twitvid.com/ERX9W
I would have respected Nick for working closely with the Conservatives in a minority government but not forming a Coalition, which has allowed wider policies in education (free schools) and health policies (NHS reforms) to be voted through by Lib Dems.
What's all this nonsense about Nick Clegg "letting" the Tories do X, Y and Z? The Tories won the most votes. This is a democracy. The people with the most votes get to form a government and implement their policies. People who come third do not.
The Lib Dems are trying to make the most of the fact that even though they only have 8% of the seats in Parliament, the Cameroons want their support and are willing to let them influence policy in exchange for it. The alternative to the partnership is a General Election that only the Tories will have enough money to finance.
So no, they're not going to get their way on everything - and indeed, only 23% of voters last May thought they should. Considering that their mandate to govern at all rests almost entirely on David Cameron's fiat, I think Nick Clegg is doing an amazing job of getting *anything* out of the situation at all. And given that the Liberals and Lib Dems have been getting exactly *nothing* for 70 years, he's already doing better than expected.
(and just for the record - I didn't vote for either of them)
I'd just like to second what Alex has said - THE LIB DEMS DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION. You voted for the tories and voted for a tory manifesto more than any other party, now deal with it. Surely it's only fair that the majority of Liberal Democrat policies are not implemented - no matter how much it pains me to say it as a Lib Dem myself.
Personally, I think people should stop posting dog shit through Nick Clegg's letter box and have a long hard look at the facts.
@Tracy i think you're the one who should stop spouting crap
1. pay less, for much longer and pay MORE in total
2. counteract the VAT increase? do me a favour, have you had a look at the cost of life's basics, rocketed in last couple years...counteracts nothing
3. what, nick's saving the nhs is he? nothing to do with the mass of public objection then? Tories would NOT have got bill through on their own.....a strong opposition with Liberals in, would have stopped it, like most of the Tory policies
5. Nick has become a Tory, he dabbled when he was younger remember? back to his roots...Nobody, except Party faithful think he's fighting for the people
political incompetence from ALL major Parties got us in this mess and now they're making us pay for it.....i don't remember much opposition to the trillion plus of our public funds they funneled into failed wars and failed banks.
they should have done the honorable thing, stuck to their principles and gone into opposition, they'd have been a lot more effective stopping the Tories there......
and finally, to hell with nick's family....one of my parents died this week as a result of cuts to their care, and their not the only ones here either.......
and also, not to mention, Liberals are now supporting Afghan War....NATO managed to kill 9 kids in last few weeks.....them, i feel sorry for......Nick can **** off to a life of comfort any time he wants.
Ariana I am not sure you realise how democracy in this country works. You need a majority in Parliament to pass legislation. The Conservatives didn't get that - in either the share of the votes or in seats won.
The Liberal Democrats should have won more seats than they did (they lost out through the unfair FPTP) and got 23% of the vote. However they stood on a platform that was to the left of Labour in many ways. Lib Dem MPs do not have a mandate to push through a right wing agenda.
Clegg is and always was a Tory.
The word Tory means "cattle thief".
What is new here?
A majority of the electorate voted for social democracy in various hues.
Nick has delivered rampant anti human neo-liberalism.
I am not surprised Nick has trouble with his conscience.
He has traded his party and their voters for a squalid job.
Thanks Ally777 !
Where are you posting from Ariana? Iran? You don't seem to understand British democracy.
A party without an overall majority at Westminster cannot get the blandest, least controversial bill through Parliament: they need the support of MPs from other parties to do anything, never mind "implement their policies".
Clegg held a fairly strong hand - which he has played very badly. The LibDems could have simply refused to lend their support to a measure - like, er... trebling tuition fees ... which would have then failed to pass through Parliament.
This is not rocket science.
But never mind the maths - which are clear enough. What about the morality? What about the ideals and principles that the Liberal Democrats are supposed to believe in?
THe simple truth is that Nick and the rest of the Anthill mob of Orange bookers are all - basically - Tory-Buts.
That is, they are basically tories, but for some difficult factor - but it's where their instinct lies -
Nick, for instance is basically a Tory, but for his europhilia - it's simple, if his liking for the EU was not toxic in the Tory Party, he'd never have left it.
David Laws is a Tory-but - he's a Tory, but for the fact that his sexuality was anathema to the Tories when he entered politics. Otherwise, he's have joined them.
Danny Alexander is a Tory-but, he's a natural tory, but for the fact he Scottish, and tories are dirt in Scotland.
All of them are now getting to live their real dream - working at the heart of a Tory government, for Tory policies - adream their individual circumstances denied them by the obvious and direct route.
The fact, of course, that this toryphilia is completely at odds with socil democratic and progressive mainstram of the party at large? Just an annoying detail to be overcome...
"why do the students hate you, Papa?"
"because I'm a fraud, son, always was, always will be. Sorry!"
the lazy labour would never stop believing that money grows on tree. unfortunately some day they have to realise it is not so. the day can be postponed but cannot be avoided.
Martin McEvoy Great post sir!!
Martin as much as I agree with your post, the remaining Lib Dem supporters fit into the "Tory-but" category as well. That is why their support has more than halved but there are some that linger on defending their policies. They are not to be persuaded - they just don't recognise that the majority of Lib Dem voters were Social Democrats.
I can't speak to the 'remaining' lib dem voters per se, but I would like to add that there is a reason why, for the first time in a generation, the leader of the LD is not treating his party being mis-described as "the liberal party" as an insult - because that's what he wants it to be - the Old School Liberals - which to all intents and purposes is now Thatcherite neo-liberalism. But he's pretty clear, he never really liked the Social Democrats - the 'protest lefties' - odd then he seems so upset that they don't like him back!
I agree, I think most of the party would feel more at home with Charles Kennedy. Clegg fails to recognise (or pretends not to) that the "protest lefies" (due to the Iraq war, civil liberties etc) were deliberately attracted to vote for his party through the lies he told before the election.
That is the reason for the 13, 14, 15 point decline in the polls. If only the Orange Book had been more widely publicised.
For me though Kennedy's deafening silence as ill thought policy after policy sails through is damning.
He should be standing up for his party becuase in the end if they're not careful its going to be obliterated in the next general election.
The NHS bill has been signed off by Alexander hadn't it? so the libdem have their paw prints all over that ill thought out piece of legislation so no i dont thin i'll buy the "clegg saves the NHS" line put about becuase its just doesn't seem true.
At what point though do Clegg and the libdems part company as they surly will? it'll be interesting to watch.
It's a fallacy that the Lib Dem's joined the Tories in government to take the sting out of them. If that's what they were truly interested in then they'd have been far more effective letting the Tories form a minority government and staying on the opposition benches.
Minority government can work and forces real compromise.
They went into coalition because those in control of the party are very close to the Tories in ideology even if alot of Lib Dem's aren't.
Alexander, Law's, Cable and Clegg and the like are lassiez faire types who don't adhere to the centre left politics that many Lib Dem's do.
This guy is the worst thing that happened to British people in a very long time. How can he sleep at night introducing a £9,000 tuition fee?
If the trade descriptions act applied to Political Parties "Pledges" the LDs would not be trading. They could have gone for a Supply and confidence alternative and wielded real power and respect.
They sold their bithright for a mess of potage.
I read the slanging match with amazement. Labour must be laughing their socks off, they bring the country to near bankruptcy and the other two parties are getting all the flack. Must be some sort of macro amnesia attack.