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Exclusive: Baroness Warsi says electoral fraud cost Tories the election

The Tory chairman tells me that Labour “absolutely” benefited.

In my interview with Sayeeda Warsi, the chairman of the Conservative Party and minister without portfolio, in this week's New Statesman, she makes a remarkable claim about the extent of electoral fraud at the last general election.

From the piece (not yet online):

"At least three seats where we lost, where we didn't gain the seat, based on electoral fraud. Now, could we have planned for that in the campaign? Absolutely not."

This is the first time a senior minister has made such a blunt and specific allegation about the impact of electoral fraud on the general election result. Can she reveal the names of those seats? "I think it would be wrong to start identifying them," she says, but adds: "It is predominantly within the Asian community. I have to look back and say we didn't do well in those communities, but was there something over and above that we could have done? Well, actually not, if there is going to be voter fraud."

I asked Warsi if she believed the Labour Party in those three seats had benefited from the alleged fraud. Her answer?

Absolutely.

The BBC has followed up on my interview and spoken to a Labour Party spokesman who says the claims are "unsubstantiated" and urges the Tory chairman to share any evidence she has with the authorities.

Watch this space.

UPDATE:

Over on the Mirror site, Kevin Maguire writes:

If she has evidence of ballot rigging, Baroness Warsi has a public duty to produce it. Democracy is precious and must be protected at all costs. If a number of MPs are sitting in the House of Commons without electoral legitimacy, we need to rerun those contests. So Baroness Warsi must go public. And if she doesn't, I'll draw the conclusion that the petulant peer's just shouting her mouth off again.

ConservativeHome's Tim Montgomerie has also blogged on the story here.

78 comments

Marcus's picture

She may well have a valid point. I have long suspected that some seats were open to manipulation by individuals. I think we need a police investigation to stop this from happening again.

Lauren Watters's picture

Surely the main issue here is the fact that these claims have been so underplayed.

It can be assumed that this is because Baroness Warsi, is herself, Asian.

Her claims that she had a specific interest in this matter - seems to be accepted soley because she herself is Asian and so therefore is interested in the Asian voting patterns.

Fundementally though this is a hugely prejudice and insulting claim - with little to no grounds.

It is a shock that she hasn't been questioned more intensly and that the Media has not picked up on its outrageous character more so.

Yet another example of the conservative party skirting around tenious prejudices and expecting that an Asian face or something similar will allow them to get away with it.

Her groundless and somewhat shocking claims should not be overlooked merely because of her sex or ethnicity which seems to be happening.

It seems yet another dirty move from the Conservative Party has been for the most part ignored which is thoroughly worrying.

Richard Blogger's picture

Two points:

1) Three seats would not have given them a majority, so move on Warsi

2) Mehdi the question you didn't ask was "do you have proof that Labour acted fraudulently?"

Simply benefiting from the fraud is not enough, she has to show that the local Labour party actively implemented the fraud.

Peter Carrol's picture

Would suggest you to the police Ms. Warsi before you broadcast though the media, I have full confidence that they will bring charges where necessary.

NB to the media, pls keep putting microphones in front of her.

Jeff's picture

Can't she see she's being used by the Conservatives? Employ a minority to say minority problems, that won't make you racist... it's rule 2 in "How not to be racist" (the first rule being to say "my best friend's black"

swatantra's picture

Warsi may have a point. But it is important to remember that all 3 Parties have been tainted with the smell of corruption with it comes to collecting votes from the minority communities. It has to stop.
We do not want the politics of the subcontinent on the streets of Britain.

rob's picture

Are we sure that BW doesn't have the evidence? She may not be able to produce it because Andy Coulson may not be supposed to know how was obtained?
And poor Andy can't be punished twice for an offence when he hasn't actually been punished once yet!!!!

Andrew's picture

Labour spent election day in City of Chester signing up voters (600) in strong labour areas. When they turned up to vote, despite all the paperwork having been done, they could not vote. Although the seat was lost by 2000 votes there is to be no invesigation!

Did labour benifit from that!

Also 3 seats! A primary school child can tell you that 307 + 3 = 310 not 326. Wheres the proof. I think on balance yes some seats should have a different colour but I don't think its biased - doesn't make fraud right though.

Zain's picture

Interesting claims, but I don't see why the Tories are going to be so innocent compared to Labour.

Warsi hates Asians anyway.

Lou's picture

One also has to ask how many Tory won seats were won unfairly then, if electoral fraud happened there's no reason to asssume that it was soley in Labour's favour. Perhaps a full investigation might reveal that the tory count of 307 seats should actually be a lot less?

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones as six Tory activists were jailed last year for electoral fraud...Raja Khan the tory winner in Slough being one of them. Or how about Haroon Rashid,former tory candidate for Bolton, tried and convicted for postal fraud in Bradford in 05. There's more .....

Warsi has a huge talent - for opening her mouth and putting her foot in it every time she speaks.

triedeinsursE's picture

The heck with politics. Sayeeda Warsi, what a cutie. MMMwwwaaaa.....

triedeinsursE's picture

"The system is open to manipulation - remember how George Bush stole the election in 2000?"

Utter garbage. What would any Brit know about picking the leader of their country. You are INFORMED who your leader is.

Bill Corr's picture

It were polling day in Grimethorpe and Councillor Joe Farthwaite from Amalgamated Arsewipers' Union were looking out o' the window.

"Aye," he said. "Dead quiet it is today. Hardly anyone's been to vote.

But wait a minute! Who's that coming up t'street? Look, it's Councillor Faisal and he's got a big sack on 'is back! And who's that behind him? It's Councillor Ali and he'd got a big sack an all! And, look! Behind him there's Alderman Mohammed and he's got the biggest sack of the lot!

And what's in them sacks? Postal votes, that's what! All o' them made out f't'Labour Party. Most on 'em wit same pen and all ..."

GENERAL JUBILATION!

triedeinsursE's picture

If Bill Clinton gets in the same room with her....it’s a done deal...

PuppetClegg's picture

The Guardian reports that Labour are two points ahead of Tories in the ICM poll. Now it makes sense why Warsi is shouting fraud.

Bergstrom's picture

As others have said, Warsi hasn't raised the numerous Tory Councillors of Asian (I believe mainly Pakistani) descent who have been investigated, and in some cases, convicted of large-scale electoral fraud.

So it is opportunism. However, in the Midlands, we have had many cases of postal vote investigations within the Pakistani / Bangladeshi community in Birmingham and surrounds. Cases of "voting factories" being discovered, where blank postal votes were brought to be filled in. Not all were successfully prosecuted, and there is certainly a fear of the race card being thrown.

I hate the idea that one community should be demonised for this, and of course the vast majority of British Asians vote how they want to vote. But there is overwhelming evidence that many do not, and I think postal / proxy votes should be banned unless strong medical grounds are given (and even these people should be given facilities where possible, to get to a polling station).

alan's picture

If true then take it to the police it should be stamped out i look forward to the investigation.

As for Warsi i share the same thoughts as other posters on her special "talent" long may she reign

mcquade's picture

Wailing Warsi doen't even have a mandate.

Villan's picture

She is where she is because of sheer opportunistic tokenism on the Tories' part. And she is not elected to anything. Lucky her. Unlucky the rest if us having to put up with her Pythonesque 'luxury.When I was a child.' etc

Stephenst's picture

"Shouting her mouth off again" says it all, to be bloody honest. It's only the second comment Warsi has made that I've raised an eyebrow to (the other being her criticism of Labour for "not doing religion" whatever the hell that means when we had a PM who said a visitation from the angels helped him in deciding on going to the Iraq War).

Along with Tory efforts to brand David Miliband's departure from politics as signifying a left-right split in the party (which, of course, ignored the fact that David himself had many leftist supporters), these comments must be considered part of a concerted Tory effort to divert public attention away from the real issues, and towards Labour once more.

It's despicable, and screams "vote for us not because of what we are, but because of what we're not." It's the approach that got them into power, so they're hoping it will keep them there. She's gone too far and should withdraw her comment and shut up from now on. I only hope David Cameron doesn't stick up for her like he's done with William Hague (who, incidentally, was probably just about the only person in the tory party to be relieved when Labour's gaze turned on Coulson).

That's not to say there's no substance to what she says - i recall a good few stories of voting fraud during the election, all from Labour I think. But she should provide the evidence and then scream about it, not the other way round. If she was really bothered about electoral fraud (like I am) she would have done it at the same time as announcing an independent review into the practice. The fact that she hasn't says it all, and I rather doubt that a number of Tories, given the same chances, wouldn't have done exactly the same thing as the Labour fraudsters. Both are in a minority, but should be looked into.

Bubba's picture

Let's be honest. Using the word "Asian" in this context, and in many others, is a weaselly euphemism for "Muslim". There have been many reports of Muslim vote fraud in recent years, including convictions of Muslim representing all major parties.

I am not aware of any Hindu, Sikh or Chinese involvement in the problem, so to use the word "Asian" is to use racist slander against perfectly innocent groups of people.

Nick's picture

I note how the baroness was conspicuous by her absence on QT tonight; all very well doing the talking, but not too hot on answering the questions!

Greg Dyke's picture

I see the Tiber foaming with Gaulish postal ballots!

Freeman2's picture

2005 - Warsi not elected in Dewsbury. 2007 - Warsi made an unelected peer, ironically enough as Baroness Warsi of Dewsbury. 2010 - Warsi appointed Minister without Portfolio. Perhaps Warsi should try a bit of democracy herself.

Hriday's picture

Sayeda Warsi is wingeing about ballot rigging by 'Asians'.Who are these Asians? Doesn't she mean Pakistanis? Why does she include Indians in the Asian category.
Warsi couldn't get elected. Is it sour grapes? If she has proof of ballot rigging by her fellow Pakistanis then she must contact the Police, don't winge-you unelected peer.

evansthespy's picture

She admits that despite electoral fraud they could still not win - that s quite an admission!

1R4M's picture

I'm embarrassed to be Asian with her making stupid comments

honestly
electoral fraud?!

shes not even elected anyway

Fat_Cat's picture

Warsi is courageous to make a statement like that - many politicians would shy away. One needs to study the electoral practices in Bradford and Tower Hamlets to undestand what is happening in these parts of UK. If we are not careful our voting system could end up like that in the third world countries like Kenya, Pakistan and India.

Nevermore's picture

Odd how one so , substantially , elevated after a markedly unelected career is so interested in fraudulent electoral process. She isn't exactly qualified by experience , or established ,recognisable, professional ethics to actually qualify as as a valid opinion.
Perhaps an examination of one or two of the alterations the Tories made to constituency boundaries might be an interesting area for her to look at. After all , during the latter half of the 20th century they always seemed well aware that the best way to rig elections was to shift chunks of marginal ,opposition, voters into amended constituencies with a safe tory majority.

RK's picture

There can be many disputes about what Baroness says, but none as to how she looks. Gorgeous.

Sid's picture

There is a genuine problem of electoral fraud - no point denying it. The problem is huge in certain Asian communities - patriarchal and big families, bonded women, illegal immigration. The postal ballot system is prone to manipulation and needs to be abolished.

William's picture

Ah Baroness Warsi, proof if any more where needed, of why democracy is better than the alternatives.

I love having an unelected Baroness lecture me about democracy.

I love having someone who contiually plays the race card and claims that musilms in britan today are more discriminated against than jews a at the start of the twentith century (ouch, remember the holocaust, hello perspective?!) lecture me that 'asians' are all vote riggers, not to mention her bizarre endorsements of the BNP?

I love having an adultress** lecture me that british socitey is moraly deficent because it doesn't have enough faith.

**(we of course must be very careful throwing accusations af adultery arround, there is no way to prove that she and her current husband commited the act of adultery before their latest marrige, when she went on a taxpayer funded holiday to a luxury hotel in Islamabad with another woman's husband, and behind the back of her former husband, two people that whom they were secritly plotting to divorce, but what the hell do you think they where up to? Wouldn't they be stoned under shria law for that?).

Anyway, reform of the house of lords! We'll be getting rid of all these people soon... at last.

tamster's picture

If Warsi is correct then I would ask her one question.

Did the alleged Labour fraudsters learn their tricks from the Tory councillors, convicted of electoral fraud, from Bradford, Slough and Calederdale ?

Also, call me very cynical, but is it a coincidence that the one of the Coalition's token Muslims has been sent out to pontificate on several issues the same week that Ed Miliband has been elected leader ?
The right wing media have not been slow in making insinuations about his Jewish heritage.

Does Cameron think he can appeal to anti-Jewish Asian voters ?

swatantra's picture

Halifax was mentioned, but we know all Parties from the ethnic and religious communities inc the catholic and jewish communities are involved in undue influence in elections. Its down to greater scrutiny of the local agents to ensure that they weed out the culprits because they are giving the whole community a bad name.
Warsi has raised again an important point that has to be addressed and cannot any longer be ignored even in her own Party.

maxinemf's picture

I am appalled at that fact that Baroness Warsi can get away with spouting un truths, deliberately framed to insult and offend. Having little support in the Asian community, I think she would struggle to get elected as an MP(hence her Baroness title). Her outburst against Labour and the ugly way she commented on the appointment of Ed Miliband is symptomatic of the venal, nasty side of the Tory Party. The token position she was given by David Cameron is all out of proportion to her limited talents. Her skills as a communicator seem to be limited to ugly back biting which is not what political debate should be about. I believe she represents the ugly side of Toryism and is able to get away with such comments simply because she is a token Asian candidate. I can think of many other Asians within the party who are far more deserving of the job that has been bestowed upon her. I predict that eventaully she will cross the line and will be sacked!!!!

RK's picture

Wouldn't they be stoned under shria law for that?

Here we go William. Expose yourself. More.

RK's picture

I think freedom of expression is also freedom to expose yourself is completely lost on people such as William....he has taken a false name, apparently. He is an extremist Muslim. Right Mr William or Mr Bin Laden or whoever?

maxinemf's picture

I actually cringe with revulsion when I hear Baroness Warsi speak. Not only does she come across as having zero communication skills, but worse than that she is a devotee of the highly personalised and demonising attacks on those who do not share her world view. Her response to Ed Miliband's appointment was ugly in the extreme. Remind me again just how she came to be known as Baroness. Not through merit, intellect or grace methinks!!!! To keep repeating the mantra when is Labour going to apologise for the defecit only servies to emphasise the view that she is out of her depth.

RK's picture

@maxinemf
"she come across as having zero communication skills, but worse than that she is a devotee of the highly personalised and demonising attacks on those who do not share her world view"

TIME TO REFLECT YOURSELF IN MIRROR, SIR.

ACMJ's picture

Interesting view from an individual who happens to chairperson and unelected member of Parliament who is clearly out of touch the asian Community voters , hence concluding that their votes for the Tories were low due to voting fraud . Interestingly , she didn't want to get into too much details as to which seats they were .
Me thinks Baroness Warasi has been taking too many hints from Ijaz Butt . Baroness warisi for the record looks nothing as gorgeous as "Georgeous George" Osborne

maxinemf's picture

Message for RK. Why don't you just admit that the position given to your BW is all out of proportion to her actual(limited) talents!!!!

RK's picture

I do not agree. Ed Milliband was elected by Unions. And he can be prime minister. To me that is far worse.

On the other hand extremists muslims cannot elect a moderate muslim women. Conservatives have every right to bring someone forward, who they think is talented; as we do think about Baroness Warsi.

And indeed if she is, she would win elections by white and non-muslim votes, one day, and be the PM of the country.

My view, do'nt like, do'nt agree.

Tom Cat's picture

The real scandal in all this hot air from Warsi is that election fraud in the UK is not at all new.

It is without doubt something that makes the average voter feel like vomiting. The latest in a long line of outrages from Westminster.

Why is this not at the very top of the political agenda, French style demonstrations/riots on the streets?

Are we all sheep?
Do we just accept that our national politics is so corrupt and meaningless that it doesn't matter.

Maybe so.

Tom Cat's picture

swatantra nandanwar - "Its down to greater scrutiny of the local agents to ensure that they weed out the culprits because they are giving the whole community a bad name."

Too late - the Pakistani community already has a bad name.

maxinemf's picture

Clearly you do not understand Labour party rules as to how Ed Miliband was elected.

I do not see how BW can in any way be described as talented. My impeccable sources within the Tory party complain often of BW's undeserved elevation.

As for winning elections, you have to display vision, strength and above all steely courage. Dream on RK; she is not even popular in the Tory ranks.!!!!!!

Shaun's picture

I stood as local councilor candidate in the Dewsbury south area. I found fraud several times and reported it nothing was done.One house had no floors and five voters registed to the property.

maxinemf's picture

Baroness Warsi for Prime Minister??!! Why does she not actually stand as an MP in a non-Asian constituency?

RK's picture

@maxinemf, I have no reason to doubt David Cameroon's judgement and I am pleased with what he is doing irrespective of what the media on both left and right tries to do; to paint a picture of a naive man.

I have had enough experience with politics to understand that leftists some-how always seem to be more intelligent than their records suggests.

And I am offcourse not privy to any of BW talents, but as I said, I have trust in my leader. Quitely he is outperforming liberal god, Obama.

Finally it the people who will decide, if BW is Talented or not. She has the position to prove herself and from whatever I heard from her few interviews, she has not disappointed.

For you the best leader is Obama. Vision, Strength and Steely courage. If media was a guide, I was a buyer. But if performance is a guide I am a heavy seller on Obama. A complete flop.

RK's picture

@maxinemf
Baroness Warsi for Prime Minister??!! Why does she not actually stand as an MP in a non-Asian constituency?

She might. She is been given a chance and with time you would realise that things look very different at different times. Therefore give time a chance and you would one day find yourself queuing to vote for her.

But then it is over to time...

Lou's picture

@RK

The Labour leader election process might have some flaws but it's far more democratic and reflective of the people than the Tory Party's selection which is only by Tory MPs. So your party could elect her leader and ergo Prime Minister if they chose to. Clearly they don't wish to.

If it should be the people who decide if BW is talented or not, might I suggest that her not gaining a seat at Dewsbury and losing by over 5000 votes suggests that the people have indeed spoken as to her capabilities, talents and political promise.

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