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Is the BNP a "normal" political party?
- Posted by Mehdi Hasan
- 08 October 2009 18:34
I worry about the BBC's attitude towards the far-right
Yesterday I took part in a Radio 4 discussion about the BBC's coverage of the BNP with the corporation's chief adviser on politics, Ric Bailey. You can listen to it here.
Bailey seemed to me to be a decent and intelligent man performing a delicate and difficult balancing act in a high-pressure job. But I was alarmed to hear him repeat, again and again, in response to my question ("Does the BBC consider the BNP to be a normal party?"), that the BNP is a "legal, elected party".
So? Hitler was elected.
It's my contention that the BBC, and various other media organisations, are contributing to the "normalisation" of the BNP through soft, context-free, fact-free interviews and through the corporate and editorial repetition of this nauseating mantra: "The BNP is a legal, elected party."
But it's not a NORMAL party, is it?
I mean, which other political party in Britain has racist, neo-fascist and neo-Nazi roots? Which other political party can be legitimately described as a "Nazi" party, as the Standard Boards for England ruled in 2005? (Describing it as Nazi is, the board said, "within the normal and acceptable limits of political debate".) Which other political party has a leader who is a convicted criminal and a Holocaust denier? Which other political party includes local organisers who have convictions for gang rape or racist assault? How many other political parties have, among their former members, a terrorist and convicted murderer and a man convicted under the Explosives Act? Which other political party has, as its MEP, a man who began his political career in England's National Socialist party? Which other political party believes that Islam is a "cancer" and that Jews run the media?
Does it really breach the BBC's impartiality guidelines simply to point this out to the viewers, listeners and readers of the corporation's output? Or do we have to be treated instead to a fawning interview with a man, Mark Collett of the BNP, who has said: "Hitler will live for ever, and maybe I will."
Thankfully, as a colleague has pointed out to me, the BNP's electoral triumphs remain limited -- check out this result at a recent council by-election in Hertfordshire.
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127 comments from readers
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sarah
08 October 2009 at 19:54 Maybe your lies/smears should of been challenged , because your accusations seem pretty extreme.
Just because someone doesn't agree with BNP policies doesnt mean they should be denied freedom of speech, to deny the bnp is denying the 62 million uk population to there right of hearing .
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Eric_The_Fish
08 October 2009 at 20:08 Obviously, Sarah, you did not read the article properly or bother to do any extra research on the points raised. The evidence is all there if you care to look.
Judging by your grammar, I'd say you were probably a BNP supporter.
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Thomas
08 October 2009 at 20:11 They are an elected party. However much I may hate that - however much everyone may hate that - they have two members elected to the European Parliament - members who have been chosen to represent two quite substantial regions of Britain. You defeat the BNP by debating them and exposing them for what they are, not by isolating them.
We should be concentrating on defeating the BNP, not arguing amongst ourselves.
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Salamanca
08 October 2009 at 21:03 What's a "normal" political party? One whose representatives only raise their snouts from the trough long enogh to oppress us with yet another ill thought out batch of pointless regulations? Or one who plans to "rescue" the economy by selling our country to the highest bidder and taxing the poor? My ethnic background means that I would not be eligible to join the BNP even if I wanted to (which I don't) but if Mr Griffin can shake our pathetic "leaders" out of their greed, smugness and apathy I will shake his hand.
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cash cow
08 October 2009 at 22:20 "The National Chairman shall have full EXECUTIVE POWER OVER ALL the AFFAIRS of the party." (BNP Constitution, Section 3:1, page 5)
With power like that in his hands, it's no wonder Griffin's smug grin matches those of other "pathetic leaders".
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sarah
saz
08 October 2009 at 22:30 Well Eric The Fish, i have done some research on the BNP, most of it is just lies or half truths. Why don't you try doing some research on other political parties, i think you will find much more disturbing things. The far left seem so keen to single out the BNP yet not challenge any other parties.
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braytan3945
08 October 2009 at 23:16 Just because the BNP have a few elected councillors and MEPs doesnt mean responsible commentators cannot point out what a nasty vicious dishonest bunch of thugs they really are. Its perffectly okay to reject them at the ballot box and through debate.
It's interesting how often BNP supporters talk about freedom of speech and freedom to express a contrary view yet are consistently dishonest and evasive about their views, their support of the BNP and what they and the BNP stand for.
Its also interesting how people talk about the BNP as some kind of antidote to our current establishment of greedy corrupt dishonest politicans when in certain respects the BNP has qualities that are either as objectionable or more objectionable than the establishment they say they want to replace.
Its a bit difficult to stand as a candidate with more integrity than your mainstream opponent if in fact you are really a nazi thug with a history of or tendency to violence and assault.
I wouldnt excuse a Labour, Liberal or Conservative politician who supported the views of the BNP, so why should I excuse the BNP for supporting the views that the BNP does?
Please Sarah, please please exercise your freedom of speech and tell us freely and openly about what the BNP plans to do for that part of the British population that doesnt fit it's racial or religious profile or share its political views. Please also explain how the BNP will get round the fact that many of their policies (both declared and undeclared) simply do not legally stand up.
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tim
09 October 2009 at 09:53 What a dreadul piece of writting - was this seriously intended to be a contribution to political debate as it reads like a teenage rant !.
If you believe in democratic elections then tough, be prepared for people to elecet who they want - what ever the views expressed. Just because you disagree with them does not mean they are invalid.
Instead of complaining about the BNP getting coverage it would be more constructive to ask why is there a growing section of society feeling so abandoned by the mainstream parties that they are supporting the BNP. The rise of the BNP is due to the failure of both main parties.
If you disagee with a view then challenge and debate it, banning parties is the the solution of people who know they have lost the arguement. Let the BNP's actions and views destroy them but this means action from the main parties to address this issues that lead people to support the BNP not by banning them through fear because they do not want to deal with the problems that lead to voters supporting the BNP
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Chris Roberts
09 October 2009 at 10:22 The former Prime Minister of this country is responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians in Iraq on a lie. Now he is to become president of Europe. All the MP's who voted for that illegal war have the blood of innocents on their hands. Don't lecture me on a the BNP with your lies and half truths, I have been a member for many years and I do not know any of our organisers convicted for gang rape, name him!
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Chris Roberts
09 October 2009 at 10:23 The former Prime Minister of this country is responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians in Iraq on a lie. Now he is to become president of Europe. All the MP's who voted for that illegal war have the blood of innocents on their hands. Don't lecture me on a the BNP with your lies and half truths, I have been a member for many years and I do not know any of our organisers convicted for gang rape, name him!
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Mehdi Hasan
09 October 2009 at 10:43 "Sarah" and "Tim" - did you actually read my post? Or do you have problems understanding the English language? Where did I say that the BNP should be "denied freedom of speech" or advocating "banning parties"? Where did I "complain" about them getting "coverage"? On the contrary, I simply urged the BBC to cover the BNP in a manner befitting the origins, policies and membership of that odious party, which is, as I argue above, not a "normal" political party. Is that so hard to understand? And "Chris Roberts", you seem to be able to read but unable to follow basic links. Click on the link above and you will see who the convicted gang rapist is and what role he played in your vile party.
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Boog
09 October 2009 at 10:43 Despicable as they are, they are entitled to a point of view and at least broaden to woefully narrow debate we have in our media. Whilst I count myself as on the extreme left, I find this tendency toward authoritarian censorship of anything offensive that has pervaded New Labour as unappealing and dangerous as anything it tries to suppress.
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Boog
09 October 2009 at 10:46 Medhi - you are mad keen on keeping them off of Question Time - isn't that about denying them coverage?
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Boog
09 October 2009 at 10:49 Denying them access to Question Time is denying coverage - and in that environment they will get a grilling from a BBC suddenly motivated and self-righteous for once, would you rather they are pushed to extremes where their views are not challenged?
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Paul
09 October 2009 at 10:55 I simply urged everyone to treat Mehdi Hasan's odious comments in a manner befitting his beliefs about "the kuffar." Funny how he finds insulting terms about Muslims racist, but is happy to spew religious hatred against non-Muslims.
Search: Mehdi Hasan of the New Statesman, on YouTube, you'll see what I mean.
Link here. (If it posts on this site.)
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tim
09 October 2009 at 11:18 What i was attempting to highlight is that the the view that some parties should be treated differently to other parties, by what ever criteria is wrong, and it is the same arguement that leads to the banning of parties (as i believe you advocated regarding the BNP and Question time).
You difference of treatment is based on your dislike of this party's policies and actions, not on the basis of fairness. If you belive that the BBC should point this out then the same should apply to the Labour party, how about every time they apprear on tv the BBC lists out the illegal wars of aggresion, the torture of prisoners and abuse of prisoners, the 1,000's of dead civilians, removal of judicial process, colluding with corporate bribery - the list goes on
Is the labour party normal !!
All parties in a democracy should be treated equally - this is Descartes "i do not agree with what you say ...." agrument which underpinned the whole of western democracy, that all views are treated equally and fairly.
It is to the shame of the Labour party and their supporters that they have done more to destroy democracy and freedom in the UK than the BNP ever will.
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Chris Roberts
09 October 2009 at 11:26 Any tom, dick or harry can pitch up to help deliver leaflets, none of the political parties vet who is delivering leaflets on a particular day. Your misleading article based on a misleading newspaper report made out he was an organiser, he was not and once his conviction was known to the BNP he was told to stay away.
For your information, I do not want to live in a multicultural society, I believe it offers no benefits and prefer the social mix I found in the London of the sixties. I bear nobody any ill will, its just my preferred choice. In a democracy I should be allowed to legally campaign on that premise unhindered, not dictated to that this is how it will be whether you like it or not! Today's politically correct dictatorship is not the Britain my father fought for in world war II when serving with the Royal Artillery.
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Mark
09 October 2009 at 12:05 Before spouting off about criminals within the BNP perhaps you should take a look at this...http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/2006/11/labour-cr... now it is amazing how these never hit the national media. I would also like to point out that people should look further into the Liebour party at some of there Mps who used to be in the Communist Party, i personally think the country has started to wake up to the Labour lies, a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, Went to iraq on a lie, only between 20,000 to 40,000 eastern europeans would hit our shores, tough on crime, when did the country agree to mass immigration,i could be here all day and the sad thing is there is no difference between Labour and the conservatives so people vote for other parties and the BNP being one of those, I ask a question..WHY ARE THE GOVERMENT/MEDIA/MPS SO SCARED OF THE BNP, IS IT BECAUSE THEY HIT HOME WITH THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY..
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Mehdi Hasan
09 October 2009 at 12:19 "Boog" - when did I say I was mad keen to keep them off Question Time? I think you're referring to my colleague James Macintyre with whom I respectfully - but reluctantly - disagree on this.
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Mehdi Hasan
09 October 2009 at 12:21 Btw, Paul, before misrepresenting my words or beliefs, why don't you check out my "Who are you calling an Islamist?" blog post on the front page of the NS blogs page? You have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you have a clue about my views on non-Muslims, non-Asians, etc. Pathetic.
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Steve
09 October 2009 at 12:26 Nice Post Paul :-)
Images of tumble weed rolling by in mehdi's office
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James
09 October 2009 at 12:26 Well Mark,your last sentence hit the nail on the head.
I've voted both Labour and Conservative,but no more,the only party that in my mind tells the truth is the BNP,and they will continue to get my vote,until the main stream partys get their act togeather
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Luddite.
09 October 2009 at 12:29 What is it about the left and their total terror of free speech.
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Steve
09 October 2009 at 12:37 No, the BNP is not a "normal" political party, it is a one which actually cares about the British people.
As for which parties have sex offenders, do some research and you will find Labour, Conservative and Liberal have by far the most.
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John
09 October 2009 at 12:42 The BNP are the only party with policies that’s never wavered to catch the vote
Lab/Lib/Cons/UKIP are proven liars cheats and embezzling traitors
The BNP are trying to save Britain and our people whilst others in Westminster and the town halls are do their utmost to destroy us
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Neil
09 October 2009 at 12:44 Typical clap trap and smears.See how many Mp's have criminal records for sexual assault, do your research it may surprise you.
See how many work hand in hand with, and are pupets of the Bilderberg Group and attend their meetings.Our country and people have been sold out to the Bilderberg New World Order. The powers that be, are scared of the truth coming out hence all the lies and smears, SO GET OVER IT!!
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 12:49 I think what most of you have missed in Mehdi's article is that he is simply asking for the media to make as much a point of whipping up public outrage about the BNPs glaringly obvious flaws as it delights in doing for all the mainstream political parties.
I despise the BNP and everything it stands for, but I alos despise the weak, hand-wringing, liberal lefty PC mentality that wastes so much energy arguing over how to deal with them. Here's how to beat the BNP - call them out and take them on, ideologically and politically. They are a party without coherent policies, their leadership is is so intellectually challenged it would actually be funny if they didn't represent such a stain on our country, their ideology is backwards and denies all concept of human social progress. And as for their political 'success' - name me one election they have won where the electoral tunrout is more than 50%? In my book that gives them no democtratic mandate whatsoever and it is a sad indictment of the political system in this country that it could allow a bunch of cowardly, introverted, pathetic twerps on the margins of society to grow to such prominence.
Anyone who opposes the BNP needs to take a long hard look at themselves and think about this - what is at stake here is the conscience of a country that I, for one, love very much. Give the BNP their 'freedom of speech' - I know for a fact that I can take their moronic vision of this country on in every single detail and win. And anyone who seriously claims to care about the future of this country should be able to say the same.
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tim
09 October 2009 at 13:01 i agree 100% Paul, though since turnouts in elections here are so low the 50% point is a stretch.
The problem the liberal left have is that they want elections as long as they elect "people like us" so cannot reconcile the fact that when you give people a choice, for what ever reason they may choose something you do not approve of. Tough that is democracy deal with it and deal with problems it causes head on with rational arguement. The problem with those who argue how to deal with it is that they don't have the capacity to make the arguement .
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 13:14 Agree with the last point Tim. My point about election turnouts is this - I have a very hard time with the view that if you don't vote, you don't have a political voice. I think the huge number of people who do not vote - in the case of most European and local elections, the majority of people - is in itself a very valid, democratic vote of no confidence in the political system. The fact that this is ignored, only to then let basketcase parties like the BNP step into the breach by claiming 'victories' by being able to secure the votes of a tiny percentage of the overall electorate, is a further damning indictment of a system that isn't working. In a 100% electoral turnout, the BNP would barely register. What they are good at is motivating their small numbers of supporters to vote in elections that the majority of people effectively boycott. The fact that that gives them influence and legitimacy is to my mind bad democracy - it is not an issue of not being able to handle it when a majority in a democracy elects someone you don't agree with, my point is that the BNP shouldn't be getting voted in ANYWHERE because they do not have suffiecient support. And yes, that is true of the Labour government who won the last election with a turnout of only just over 50% - they have no mandate from the majority of people in the country, either.
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James
09 October 2009 at 13:14 Has any one read the BNP manifesto,most of it is just common sense
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Paul
09 October 2009 at 13:33 I don't think a person with those kinds of views should be an editor of New Statesman. I'm going to complain to your boss, and Trevor Philips at CEHR. I strongly suggest others who feel offended by this man's bile do the same.
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taffythegreat
09 October 2009 at 13:33 mass immigration is all part of the one world order. "To divide and conquer". Why else would we let in all these rag heads
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Paul
09 October 2009 at 13:38 ..and in case anyone's in any doubt as to what Mehdi means by the word "kaffur," this should clear it up for you.
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David
09 October 2009 at 13:41 Why is this bloke editor of New Statesman? Still, another article written by a Muslim against the BNP. Hardly going to be impartial is he?
What really get is me is how fellow Britons would willingly side in witlh an extremist who's agenda is a world caliphate with another who merely wants a Britain for mainly Britons. I'm not saying Nick Griffin is right in this, but given the nature of the beast, I know which i'd rather understand. This is like a fox telling a pack of dogs to get back because only he must be allowed to count the chickens.
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 13:43 Common sense? Ok, I'm going to start my own party right now, and I'm going to cut taxes, improve the health service, improve standards in education, protect the elderly, save the environment, and get the whole country back to work. So are you gonna vote for me now? Because that is all the BNP 'manifesto' does - a load of airy-fairy promises borrowed from an old Tory manual that any half-wit could cobble together, without any substance whatsoever. And when they do bother to give some details about how they are actually going to achieve all this, the results are laughable. An example - calling for cuts in council tax, and then saying they will protect frontline services with 'Efficiency savings' (nice buzzword borrowed from industry, not defined) and pay freezes, topped up by - wait for it - using more volunteers to deliver local services. So hang on - they're going to improve services in key areas like, for example, care of the elderly, by building lots of nice shiny new council-run care homes, and they are going to fund it by getting people to work for nothing. And that sounds like common sense to you?
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David
09 October 2009 at 13:46 Why is this bloke editor of New Statesman? Still, another article written by a Muslim against the BNP. Hardly going to be impartial is he? What really get is me is how fellow Britons would willingly side in witlh an extremist whose * agenda is a world caliphate with another who merely wants a Britain for mainly Britons. I'm not saying Nick Griffin is right in this, but given the nature of the beast, I know which i'd rather understand. This is like a fox telling a pack of dogs to get back because only he must be allowed to count the chickens.
*Corrected . In all fairness too, we must at least thank mhasan/N/S for allowing a decent and open forum.
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stonehenge
09 October 2009 at 13:53 Braytan 3945
What are our 'undeclared' views then?. If you can't name them you live in a conspiracy fantasy world and you believe the same old speil spewed out by the establishment NWO supporting media.
We are what it says on the packet as it were, and we will do what it says in our manifesto, no more no less.
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Mehdi Hasan
09 October 2009 at 13:54 Even though a lot of you are spouting nonsense about me, and misquoting me, I'm not - for the time being - going to remove your comments. I simply urge you all, who truly care what I think, to read my response here:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/dissident-voice/2009/07/is...
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Paul
09 October 2009 at 14:04 Oh you've made it patently clear what you think of nonbelievers Mehdi. Now imagine I said something similar about Muslims. What excuse would you accept?
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Paul
09 October 2009 at 14:20 It really is telling that you consider yourself to be a moderate Muslim. Maybe you are compared to some others you know, but the kind of attitude you display falls far short of what would be considered moderate in any other section of the community.
Frankly I've had enough of your 15 minutes of fame, if anything it was 14 and a half minutes too long.
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a.m.r.
09 October 2009 at 14:23 Why are my critical comments of the BNP not being posted?
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There is no denying the BNP's sordid history :
eg.
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/uncovered.htm
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/BNP-international...
The BNP are traitors to the memory of those who fought and died defending England and the free world against the Nazis. They're a xenophobic, bigoted and hateful group.
They've had a PR fix-up ("out of the boots and into suits"), that's all.
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stonehenge
09 October 2009 at 14:36 PAUL 1404
I have made two lengthy letters to the author to back up their quotes and have made some comparisons for them which are uncomfortable, neither have been published, this shows a complete lack of intellectual debate on the authors behalf.
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Starace
09 October 2009 at 15:26 tim says
*"What i was attempting to highlight is that the the view that some parties should be treated differently to other parties, by what ever criteria is wrong, and it is the same arguement that leads to the banning of parties (as i believe you advocated regarding the BNP and Question time).
You difference of treatment is based on your dislike of this party's policies and actions, not on the basis of fairness. If you belive that the BBC should point this out then the same should apply to the Labour party, how about every time they apprear on tv the BBC lists out the illegal wars of aggresion, the torture of prisoners and abuse of prisoners, the 1,000's of dead civilians, removal of judicial process, colluding with corporate bribery - the list goes on
Is the labour party normal !!
All parties in a democracy should be treated equally - this is Descartes "i do not agree with what you say ...." agrument which underpinned the whole of western democracy, that all views are treated equally and fairly.
It is to the shame of the Labour party and their supporters that they have done more to destroy democracy and freedom in the UK than the BNP ever will."*
I agree with this.
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taffythegreat
09 October 2009 at 16:05 Slightly off the subject, people who is for immigration, at what point in time would you consider enough is enough? then if when you do consider now is enough, would this make you a rascist? The BNP is saying now is enough.
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Steve
09 October 2009 at 16:06 Good point Neil, if you want to talk about sex offenders, let's talk about racist Muslim paedophiles who prey on little White girls.
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 16:08 Neil 15.39 - What exactly is your point, moron? Have white men never gang raped anyone? Never in history forced women of other races into sex with them? Is that what you really believe? Or are we going to get into an argument about numbers - muslim men have raped more white women than white men have raped muslim women, or some equally juvenile, idiotic logic that works only in your head and the deviant cretins who think like you? All your comment reveals is that you are scared of other cultures, a snivelling coward who has to resort to moronic accusations. Fact is that more rapes in this country are carried out by white men than any other ethnic group - men of all creeds and colours rape and sexually abuse, it is a terrible stain on every culture, and the fact that you can trivialise it to fit your own racist agenda makes you a disgrace to white people and a disgrace to this country.
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Luddite.
09 October 2009 at 16:31 "Free speech is everything to us Englishmen" What part of this statement don't you vile leftist understand are your minds so poisoned with left-wing thought you can on longer see the wood for the trees KNOW ONE!! BUT KNOW ONE IS NEVER DENIED FREE SPEECH.
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Starace
09 October 2009 at 16:33 Paul N, 16:08 says;
"Have white men never gang raped anyone? Never in history forced women of other races into sex with them? Is that what you really believe?"
I think you'll start accussing people of being narrowminded next. However, If Neil is stating that White people have never, and I mean never, forced other races into acts against their own will then please call accuse him of being narrowminded.
On the other hand, like me. I was accused of it when sticking up for White people. But when I stated that I know Blacks & Asians have also been victims, they kept quiet.
Paul N, I think your being narrowminded. If you can't see that racism is becoming devalued almost everyday by people using it to justify almost anything, especialling when it involves White people being the accused! I now understand Muslims use it, quite ironic. I thought they were religious, then again, they think they'll rule the World with Islam, and that all other religions is not the Word of God, or Allah incase I may offend a Muslim. Oh, I'm not saying all Muslims are this sensitive. Like I, I'm protestant... I don't study the Bible, nor do I goto Church (all the time), and I know their are Muslims like this also. Then, I'd not be known as a Christian, a true Christian... and its probably the same for these Muslim's, not a true Muslim. But like many of those Muslims who participate in many things non-Islamic, and against their Religion. One call for help by Islam, or Muslims around the World, they'd be there... Like I, but for Christian's and Christianity. Regardless of the colour of their skin!
1) Christian's in Southern India were attacked, killed & raped by Hindu's. Churches were burnt down.
2) Christian's have been assualted and attacked in Egypt, Nigeria, Somalia and many other Countries.
What the Western governments remain silent! Yet, when it's Islam/Muslims, everyone is in a uproar!
Oh... Incase I'm accused of being narrowminded on this topic, I know that a lot of people are being killed every single bloody day! You think I'm happy about that, you think I only care about Whites and Christians? Well I don't! But. When Whites are constantly given the Short end of the Stick, I'm not pleased. Nor am I pleased when people who live in many other Countries are given the Short end of the Stick by foreign invaders, ie Afghanistan, Iraq and many nations in Africa! However, I'm in Britain, and this is my homeland. Therefore, I'm going to stick up for British people, and British interests - not foreign! But don't say that I do not see a lot of hypocrites use a lot of these Third World peoples as a "tool" to achieve their own goals.
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James
09 October 2009 at 16:34 Paul N,your not a member of the UAF by any chance,you just strike me as one of those so called Liberal Lefties that they attract
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Starace
09 October 2009 at 16:37 Oh and I'm Scottish.
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Neil
09 October 2009 at 16:42 Mr PaulN . Compare gang rapes by white males on ethnic females- never heard of one. Now compare that with ethnic gang rapes on white girls!!!! .EXACTLY. That being the case Ithese are racially motivated rapes. Iam not interested in your history lesson, more about what is happening in THIS COUNTRY.That is not to trivalise it.
Do your research, check out the stastics if they are still available, before you say Iam a disgrace to the white race. Wake up, are you colour blind? as well as dumb
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alexander baxter
09 October 2009 at 16:42 When it comes to the " crunch " the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY is the only one who represents true British People!
LONG LIVE THE BNP!!!!!!
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 16:57 Steve and Neil - Can I see some figures about this supposed disproportionate amount of rapes perpetrated by non-whites, including gang rapes on white women, please? What research have you done - read the Daily Mail or a BNP leaflet? I challenge you to produce one shread of evidence from an objective source to back up your ridiculous accusations.
You're living in this bizarre fantasy world where making up these threats from other cultures somehow makes you feel better about who you are. What are you so scared of? I'm white, I live in an urban area with a large muslim population, what's all the fuss about? I don't feel they're taking over one bit - I'm a northern boy and very proud of my culture and my history, I feel i am very typical of my cultural background and think the majority of the people around me (white, secular Brits like me) share my outlook. You can say what you like, but your views do not for one minute reflect the vision and outlook on life I have. Far from being narrowminded, I'm just exercising my right to tell you that I think you and your ilk deserve nothing but contempt
And James - no i'm not a member of the UAF. You can lable me what ever you like - I whole heartedly disagree with the garbage that most of the people on this board are spouting and I'm more than prepared to tell you exactly why.
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Steve
09 October 2009 at 17:10 Paul N
Try googling Muslim grooming White girls.
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Starace
09 October 2009 at 17:15 I'd say respect Paul N's belief and view... as he should anyone else's, and don't force it upon others.
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 17:23 Steve - I said objective evidence. The reason those news stories got so much coverage is because the people who own the media know full well that 'Muslims grooming white girls' will sell more newspapers and get more viewers - mainly from people like you - that stories about, say, the trafficking of African girls into the sex trade, or plain old boring same race white-on-white grooming. I'm not denying some twisted muslim men do groom underage white girls for sex - I asked for evidence that that happens proportionally more than men of other races/religions grooming young girls for sex, which you have failed to do
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 17:24 Neil - find me the figures. I think you will find, sir, that you are talking out of your backside
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Paul N
09 October 2009 at 17:46 Still waiting for the figures lads - I've been trawling the police and Home Office crime stats and cannot find anything that even begins to hint that your accusations have any basis in reality.
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Neil
09 October 2009 at 17:58 Steve-Re PaulN. I think he must have a closed mind.
Now Iam going on the love not hate sight, I need a good laugh, and to see if there are any contributions from Paul N for even a bigger laugh!!!
But to be seriousI have to say I prefer my country as it was in the 50s to now, all that green and pleasant land etc.
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margaretwilson
09 October 2009 at 18:46 It is a well established fact that the vast majority of gang rapes in the UK are commited by Afro Carribean kids although this doesn't go down too well with the liberal media. With regards to interacial rape to see the real truth of the matter [in the USA], take a look at the Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2005. (Go to the linked document, and under "Victims and Offenders" download the pdf file for 2005.)
The table does not gives statistics for Hispanic victims and offenders. But the bottom line on interracial white/black and black/white rape is clear:
In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while less than ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
What this means is that every day in the United States, over one hundred white women are raped or sexually assaulted by a black man.
In the UK according to the quango which preceeded the EHRC, The Commission for Racial Equality, approximately 70% of racist attacks are against white victims.
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Truth
09 October 2009 at 18:55 freedom of speech no worse than any other Party out there!!!!.
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Neil
09 October 2009 at 19:00 Margaretwilson
Superb message, I do wonder what planet some people are on.
It must be years of Government and media lies.
But people are starting to see in a small way through all the lies and propaganda put out by the media.
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Ross
09 October 2009 at 19:22 So why was the Communist Party treated as a 'normal political party' and allowed to share platforms with mainstream parties when it ran candidates? It had its roots in a mass-murder totalitarian philosophy, had direct links with our country's enemies and had numerous undesirables, like convicted crim Gerry Gable of Searchlight, on its books.;
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Franz
09 October 2009 at 19:27 Eric The Fish
08 October 2009 at 20:08
Obviously, Sarah, you did not read the article properly or bother to do any extra research on the points raised. The evidence is all there if you care to look.
Judging by your grammar, I'd say you were probably a BNP supporter.
.....and judging by this response you are a desperate, soon to be out of power, NuLieBORE party supporter. Shame on you! She has probably suffered like the majority of us, from either a Labour or a Tory education system; we are not all lucky enough to have either a super intellect or the money to pay private school fees. Yours is an assinine response mate!!
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margaretwilson
09 October 2009 at 20:41 Nicholas Green former Mayor of Westhoughton has been jailed for 10 years after admitting charges of rape and indecent assault.
On one occasion, evil Green forced sex on a young woman on her wedding day.
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margaretwilson
09 October 2009 at 20:42 Nelson Bland, A former teacher and Labour councillor sentenced to 100 hours community service, for 16 counts of making indecent images of children and one count of distributing child porn.
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margaretwilson
09 October 2009 at 20:44 Labour Party member and Labour Party organiser abducted and took to bed a 13-year-old boy he had groomed on the internet
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margaretwilson
09 October 2009 at 20:46 Peter Swainston, the Labour PartyBurnley mayor resigned after an indecency conviction.
http://archive.thisislancashire.co.uk...
Labour Councillor Iestyn Tudor Davies
jailed for seven years for raping a nine-year-old child.
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margaretwilson
09 October 2009 at 20:47 Alan Prescott former assistant director of social services, magistrate and Labour councillor jailed for abusing boys in a children's home scandal which may have had as many as 70 victims over 30 years
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/oct...
Mark Tann, Jailed for raping a FOUR year old child and abusing a 9 year old.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/26...
Keith Rogers former school governor and town and district councillor, convicted of collecting child porn on his personal computer, has been offered honorary membership of a community association.
http://archive.worcesternews.co.uk/20...
Labour Councilor Martyn Locklin, found guilty of eight offences against young children, including rape and indecent assault said to have been committed between 1988 and 1996.
http://archive.darlingtonandstocktont...
For dozens of more Labour Criminals please read for yourself.
http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspo...
Fantastic website.
Vote BNP get involved save this country.
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PM-elect
09 October 2009 at 21:03 Is Zanu Liebour a normal party?
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pete999
09 October 2009 at 21:13 Wow, I dont normally agree with much of Mehdi's output but this is fairly accurate, and seems to have drawn out all the BNP inbreds and their semi literate wanksmithery.
Good chap.
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Seegar
09 October 2009 at 22:10 Every political party has people involved with it who people would view as extreme in their views. Every political party has people who have fallen foul of the law. Every political party has members who say stupid things every now and then.If you are a member of a political party, you cannot possibly agree with everything it stands for or plans to do.It's like religion. You may not believe everything enshrined within that religion but some things strike a chord and the rest is then taken on trust and faith. With politics it is the same with a slight twist in that the bits you do not like you can try and influence out if you can be bothered to join and do something about it. I am not a member of ANY political party but two things are in my mind at the moment.
I do not recognise Britain as the country I grew up in nor do I much like some of the things I see. I agree with some of the views of the BNP as I agree with some views of the other parties but I find myself being drawn towards the BNP because the other parties are becoming less and less reliable in doing what they say they will do.(it's all politispeak..scared to say the 'wrong' thing!)
Secondly, I met Nick Griffin a couple of months ago cmpletely by chance in public (both on our own) and had quite a chat with him and found him to be an interesting and affable gentleman to speak to who was interested in what I had to say. I liked him a lot.
If people are supporting the BNP it is because of the failures of other parties to ring the bells of the British voter.
The above article reads badly in my opinion because it starts at the point of the BNP being an Odious party and all else follows from that premise. I don't know that they are an odious party. I do know that they have odious people in their ranks as do the other parties. Nick Griffin has parted company with some stalwarts of the previous incarnations of this party and that may well be because he may well believe that extremism has no place in that party.(I'm not a mind reader of course)
If the BNP are such a terrible outfit then the other parties had better start listening to the million that voted for them at the Euro elections (I was one) or that volume will grow steadily as it snowballs. Stopping them having a wider audience is not the answer, giving the British people what they want is the answer. Can we have our identity back please or we will turn to the people who represent us the most and at the moment that is fast becoming the BNP.
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Janice
09 October 2009 at 23:07 This article is the usual biased spin I would expect from someone such as Medhi Hasan.
Its hardly surprising that he would be against an elected party who dares to question the benefits Islam brings to the UK.
Where is his indignation whenever radical Muslim preachers or violent comunist organisations such as UAF are interviewed on the BBC.
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Johnny T
09 October 2009 at 23:12 Funny article but why just pick on the BNP for disliking Islam?
Most everyone these days in the UK outside of zulabour idiots know that Islam is a cancer.
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Steve
09 October 2009 at 23:19 Paul N
We're still waiting for you to show us the facts for gangs of White men grooming underage Muslim girls at all, let alone as much as racist Muslim paedophiles groom underage White girls for sex. If it happened the other way on, which it doesn't, we wouldn't hear the end of it, but when it's racist Muslim paedophiles attacking little White girls it's hushed up.
Non Whites are far more likely to commit rape than Whites. Also they almost always target White women and girls, so it's clearly racially motivated. If you want to talk about racism, let's talk about that.
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John
10 October 2009 at 01:56 Mehdi you are exactly the kind of person who by nature encourages people to support the BNP. Who are you to lecture anyone about what is 'normal' when you hold such horrible Islamic veiws about non-beleivers (Kuffir). People are waking up to what is going on now and the BNP will continue to grow and stand up to the likes of you.
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braytan3945
10 October 2009 at 09:52 Stonehenge.
I'm not talking about your declared opposition to racial mixing and diversity and support for repatriation. I accept that the BNP has not hidden the fact that it doesn't like black people.
Declaring your dislike of people from other races, religions and cultures is one thing. Not declaring the actions you intend to take to turn your likes and dislikes into changes to the way we live now is something else.
I'm talking about the fact that the BNP don't and won't answer key questions about how they will put their alleged policies into practice without breaking several dozen domestic and internal laws and destabilising the economic, military and diplomatic framework of this country. If you plan to do what your policies say you want to do then go on Question Time and tell us how.
Nor have you explained why the BNP keeps mentioning policies that look on the surface like those from other much more mainstream parties but either do not reflect its history, its core values and the concerns of its members, or expressly contradict that history and those core values?
If you are expecting people to choose your party as the next government of this country wouldn't it be a good idea to at least have a plan and some joined up policies so people think you are credible? What's the point of asking all right thinking white Britishers to vote for you if dont have a plan to deliver what you say they want? What kind of alternative is that?
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stonehenge
10 October 2009 at 10:15 BRAYTON
We don't dislike anybody get that fact into your head please. And our manifesto makes that clear.
Please quantify which key questions we won't answer, bearing in mind we never get the right of reply in the media. what policies do we look at 'on the surface'?.
What history do we contredict?.
To be honest your post seems a bit of a ramble.
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stonehenge
10 October 2009 at 10:19 SEEGAR
I like your post. Nick Griifin is a very affable intellectual man who knows his history and future.
I have met him and he is the principle reason I joined the party.
He could have been a very gifted barrister or journalist and clearly we need them( Oxford Uni ).
He chose the hard road out of principle and for that he deserves recognition.
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Steve
10 October 2009 at 11:04 Mehdi and Paul have gone very quiet all of a sudden! probably slipped back under their rocks where they belong.
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Seegar
10 October 2009 at 11:27 I just did a very long balanced (in my opinion) 2nd post which disappeared although my first one was published immediately.
Wonder why that happened?
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Mehdi Hasan
10 October 2009 at 12:10 Steve/Seegar - thank for your comments. I've emerged from under my lefty/Muslim rock to point out that I've gone "quiet" because, as per usual, the nutters from the BNP and the "Islam is a cancer" brigade have flooded the comments section of this blog. Some of the comments will continue to be edited if they are deemed racist, offensive or factually inaccurate. Thanks.
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Seegar
10 October 2009 at 12:44 I am not a nutter (undercover or otherwise) from the BNP or any other party.
My 2nd post which has not appeared did not mention islam at all or any other religion.
Nor was my post racist,offensive or factually inaccurate as the points made were mine, from my head and therefore an accurate factual account of what I believe needs to be said and done.
I agree that offensive posts from nutters should not be published.
I would never post such a thing.
I can only assume that my post was too balanced.
I find this very alarming.
I shall now stop posting as my views are obviously not wanted.
Shame on you.
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Neil
10 October 2009 at 12:46 Mr mhasan, Listened to your radio 4 broadcast, regarding the come dancing star. It is obvious to me its nothing to do with the P word but more to do with your own obnoxious racism against the white race. I guess if you were to be sacked for stiring up racial hatred, you could play the race card, and get a substantial amount of money just like all your other friends that are so good at it.
It you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
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Mandala
10 October 2009 at 13:15 What other party has sex criminals etc?
I have quite a long list, but you can start your journey here:
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Jayell
10 October 2009 at 13:31 If we are expected to give serious consideration and credence to anyone giving valid(?) criticism on, and no doubt intending to influence, our British national life, democracy and values, why has it got to be someone with a name like 'Mehdi Hasan' who (if I may judge from a thoroughly un-British name) has no background in this country whatsoever? This is arrogant insolence in the extreme.
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Andy
10 October 2009 at 14:37 I came across this after hearing Mehdi's rant against the BNP on BBC radio. Fascinating.
OK folks. I offer you a juxtaposition here.
Lets go and demographically invade muslim countries outbreed them. Enforce the teachings of Christianity. Create whole ghettos. Become part of their infrastructure, media, government, everything.
Then when a pro-nationalist movement in that country comes out of the woodwork we can automatically brand them racists, faggots, imbeciles rapists, cattle, etc. etc. I'm sure Mehdi would like that done on his people too. Fair is fair.
Mehdi, do you believe in Allah? And that he placed the different peoples in different lands by his design? Then I suggest you are spitting in the face of Allahs design by living here. But I guess the teachings of mohammed is more important.
I suggest to anyone who wishes for facts. Google this: Type in a western European city of small country, add "riots" then click 'images'. Yes, its damming.
So, Mehdi, after calling us kuffar and cattle of no consequence I can understand why. We also have quislings in our midst.
If you wish to call me a BNP voter, fine... After this, I probably will.
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EnragedBrit
10 October 2009 at 15:19 I suggest that Paul N takes a look at the stats for the ethnic background of rapists in the Scandinavian countries. He will find that most rapes are committed by Muslim immigrants and that the victims are almost exclusively indigenous Scandinavians.
For instance - 65% of rapes in Norway are committed by immigrants and the first 16 rapes this year in Oslo were committed by Iraqis and Somalis. See the Norwegian newspaper Aftonpost or visit Brussels Journal for details.
Perhaps Mehdi can tell us why this should be? Can't be because the Koran actually sanctions the rape of non-believing women by Moslems, can it?
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margaretwilson
10 October 2009 at 17:24 The BNP are more anti the wars in the Middle East than the Tory/Labour Party and have said that they would bring our troops home immediately. It is a pointless war because democracy can not be forced by violence on a society which does not want or understand its purpose. Claiming that fighting wars in Muslim countries will reduce the likelihood of further terrorist attacks here is also patently an inversion of the likely outcome, particularly whilst our liberal and deluded Tory/Labour government continues to allow mass immigration from Muslim countries. Surely most Muslims should welcome the BNP's anti war, anti imperialist stance. The BNP support the rights of all the indigenous people in the world to determine their own policies in their own countries.
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Guessedworker
10 October 2009 at 17:33 Mehdi,
I hope you will be generous enough to acknowledge that the English people are under grave and growing demographic pressure. You speak of normal political parties, but what is happening to us demographically is in no sense normal, all those political parties that you would label "normal" concurr with it.
The historical and racial import of our times is not the pursuit of postmodern freedoms, but the race-replacement of a creative and beautiful European people by its own political and cultural class through the agency of mass Third World immigration.
This is cmpletely unprecedented and it constitutes the ultimate racism, Mehdi. In truth, I believe it qualifies as a genocide under the terms of the 1948/51 Convention (Article 2 paras b and c). It is also contrary to the terms of the September 2007 United Nations General Assembly Approval of the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
We English are legally, morally and naturally entitled to resist this, and neither you nor any other actor on the left can, in my view, offer a valid argument to the contrary. I hear leftists continually claim that they want to "defeat" or "expose" the BNP's arguments, as if the liberal ascription of "racism" to English self-defence was the moral determinant. It isn't. Continuity is the moral determinant.
I have debated hundreds of leftists, many of them academics, and none have prevailed against the morality and justice of English survival. They failed recourse is always:
1. Crude character assassination by the use of the r-word or some other supposed moral signifier;
2. To claim either that "race" does not exist or, specifically, that the English do not exist as a people (are "mongrels", "immigrants", etc) and cannot therefore be replaced or saved from replacement;
3. To contend that England's children must atone for the past actions of elites of the British state by offering themselves up to the Third World;
4. To contend that white skin is a signifier of a racism and oppressiveness which, whilst it is not inate, is really only a learned or "socially constructed" fear of or unfamiliarity with the "other", and which, again, must be exhorcised by offering up our children to the Third World;
5. To deny that any historical process of race-replacement is in train at all, or that the English demographic is in decline, and even that the English will be "happier" or "free" in their new racial dispensation, even after minoritisation.
These are all failing arguments. But if you think that you have something new and better, and that can withstand serious cross-examination by able and courteous interlocutors perhaps you will kindly visit
majorityrights.com
... which is a medium not of the BNP, or any narrow nationalist group, but of the international radical right. I will set up a post this afternoon utilising this comment. Let us see if you are as good as your word, and really possess the ambition and ammunition to "expose" our arguments.
This invitation is, of course, open to anyone else who thinks he or she has a coherent argument for the slow race-replacement of the English in England by unasked for and unwanted aliens.
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Sarah Syme
10 October 2009 at 19:01 Any person who votes BNP is either racist or ignorant.
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Neil
10 October 2009 at 20:48 Sarah Syme
I DID LAUGH WHEN I READ YOUR MESSAGE, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY IGNORANT AND VERY STUPID
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alexander baxter
10 October 2009 at 21:47 How dare this Medhi guy talk about the true British People the way he does! If he doesn`t like the comments made here why doesn`t he go back to his own Islamic country and leave us alone?
I am a middle class person who after 4 yrs at University and served my entire career in the armed forces and the Police. I am a GOLD MEMBER of the British National Party and proud of that fact!!
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Psychicdoctor
10 October 2009 at 22:15 Have you missed your monthly depot injection, as you're clearly very paranoid at the moment. Best comedic post I've read in a long time.
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Steve
10 October 2009 at 22:21 @ Sarah Syme........................care to give an explanation?
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:29 'and which, again, must be exhorcised by ' - please stop slabbering all over the computer...it's exorcised!!
Get an education, learn to spell and use syntax appropriately instead of mindlessly being paranoid that we're over-run with 'aliens'...greeneyed bogey monsters are they?
Or are they Eastern European and would you hold these people in the same light as those from the subcontinent?
Probably not as the 'asians' have more melanin in their skin....
Your depot injection awaits you, Guessedworker.
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:47 "The Royals have betrayed their people. When we're in power they'll be WIPED OUT and we'll get some Germans to rule properly." - Mark Collett
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:48 "Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will." - Mark Collett BNP member
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:49 "Racial laws will be enacted FORBIDDING MARRIAGE between Britons and non-Aryans: medical measures will be taken to prevent procreation on the part of all those who have hereditary defects either racial, mental or physical." - John Tyndall
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:51 "There's a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas. And the British National Party isn't about selling out it's ideas, which are your ideas, but we are determined now to sell them. And that means basically to use these salable words.
As I say, 'freedom', 'security', 'identity', 'democracy', nobody can criticise them, nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas: they are salable. Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we got ourselves into a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their minds and say, 'Yes, every last one must go'. Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your soul mate to start with, you're going to get absolutely nowhere. So, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT RACIAL PURITY WE TALK ABOUT IDENTITY." - Nick Griffin speaking to KKK, 2000
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:53 Well apparently didn't they get a lot of dentistry and plastic surgery."
- Rotherham BNP's Marlene Guest, 2008 referring to horrific Nazi experiments in Nazi Germany
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:55 WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM will be swept away by a future BNP government." - BNP councillor Simon Smith, 2003
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Pendant
10 October 2009 at 22:56 Someone earlier was referring to rape-well this is what a BNP councillor said on the subject
"Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal... [it] is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence." - Nick Eriksen-2005
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stonehenge
10 October 2009 at 23:22 PENDANT
Absolutely disgusting I agree. So ban the BNP.
What about the disgusting theft of tax payers money by all the political parties except the BNP, ban them?.
There are around about eighty MP's with criminal convictions of allsorts, why isn't that public knowledge?.
Did you know Bliar was arrested for cottageing in his youth?, no probably not. Understand ratios, and you will understand the truth.
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stonehenge
10 October 2009 at 23:30 GUESTWORKER
What a briliant post. I am on your side anyway, but I couldn't see any weakness whatsoever in your comments.
Hasan has his job as a 'journalist' because he is not English and white. And isn't he incredibly racist in our society?. I suspect if we had his attitude in his ancestral homeland we wouldn't be getting promotion, probably a swift death.
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Rashid
11 October 2009 at 08:09 Im a british muslim i waz born hear rite. you whites are rassits. i hav large famile de only time i use condams is wen we have parte i use dem as ballloons blow em up.If u whites dont like muslim u hemegrate yeah cuz bpn are rassists we r beta than u. u dont pray like us
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Steve
11 October 2009 at 12:16 @ Rashid,
Does your mum know that you have been on the computer? we won't tell if you just go out to play with all the other kids and leave the internet to the grown ups..
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Rashid
11 October 2009 at 12:45 That was my dad on the internet!!
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Neil
11 October 2009 at 14:33 Whilst Nick Griffin is great, the BNP are let down by Mark Collett who comes across as a real thicko and does the BNP a lot of harm with his stupid panda comments and should be kicked out forthwith
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Seegar
11 October 2009 at 15:13 That was one of my points in the removed 2nd post.
As any org' moves forward it has to make step changes and allowing a 24 year old (or in his 20's) loose with the press is a recipe for disaster.
In my unbiased opinion.
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braytan3945
12 October 2009 at 08:25 Stonehenge.
Not only are you repeating yourself, you are also using personal attacks upon me to divert attention away from your failure to answer questions about your party. Its your party's communication skills that are the issue here, not mine.
You are doing just what Griffin does all the time, which is to say plenty of inflammatory attention-grabbing things about what races and religions he likes and dislikes but say absolutely nothing about what he is actually going to do about all those things he likes and dislikes.
What I say reflects the confused and contradictaroy times we live in. Core values, political rhetoric and political policy all seem to operate independently and in contradiction to each other and never seem to match up and all the parties seem to lie about who they are, what they believe in and what they actually plan to do. You belong to the most extremist fringe party in British politics yet you pretend to be part of the mainstream. Your party only has one policy and one idea in its head - that of protecting and defending white anglo-saxon racial purity, but you pretend that you have several ideas and several policies. Thats what so confusing. If you want less rambling, less confusion then help me to agree with you on what questions, what answers and what kind of party we are actually talking about here because so far you are not helping.
I already pointed out that I wont be "quantifying" what key questions you wont answer because they all boil down to one question: how you plan to do in reality what your policies say you want to do in theory? I dont have the intellectual skills to quantify what you wont answer, but there are plenty of other commentators both in the media and on the Net who have compiled such lists of unanswered questions. If you give me your home, work or email address I would be happy to collect those questions and send them to you. Alternatively you could just answer them all in plain English on your website. How would you get round the fact that English is a racially mixed language is up to you.
Your complaint about right of reply is absolute rubbish, particularly given the people you have in elected positions, amount of support you actually have and the number of covert BNP supporters and commentators who talk BNP but dont declare that they are BNP. Griffin and the rest of the BNP get media coverage wildly out of proportion to its actual support or credibility, but you always waste it on statements about blacks, jews and muslims and anglo-saxon racial purity.
You BNP people never ever ever answer straight questions, so what are you going to do with all this alleged right of reply that you say you're mssing out on if you get it?
No one is interested in you going on Question Time or the Today Programme just so you can spend all your time explaining why you believe in racial purity. We already know your answers to questions about whether you believe in racial purity and mixed marriages. Now we want to know your replies to questions about how are you going to deliver non-interracial marriages, voluntary repatriation and a whites first society in practice.
I am surprised to hear that the BNP doesnt hate anybody since no one seems to have informed your leaders and representatives. They seem to disagree with you on the subject of hate as a basis for political policy.
You also seem to have more than your fair share of violent (note that word) criminals in strategic positions and violent people generally for what you say is a peaceful non-violent party.
Maybe you and the BNP do plan to do all the things you say you want to do (like repatriate all non white British citizens and annul all racially and religiously mixed marriages) in a peaceful non-violent manner. I just want to know how you plan to do that. I dont think that's asking too much.
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Neil
12 October 2009 at 12:51 Well perhaps if you watch Question Time you might find out
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Pendant
12 October 2009 at 13:28 '“All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here. ” - Nick Griffin, 2001'
Great post, Brayton...this is what Nick had to say on repatriation.....hmmm.....voluntary....I think not!
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Pendant
12 October 2009 at 13:28 "Black culture is totally inimical to the mental and spiritual development of young white people, encouraging laziness, lack of ambition in worthy pursuits, preoccupation with the trivial and the banal, appalling manners and absence of respect for others". - John Tyndall
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Pendant
12 October 2009 at 13:31 The BNP-the party with the softty-softy PR approach...obviously not working at grassroots.
"THE RICH ARE GENETICALLY SUPERIOR TO THE POOR." - Tony Lecomber
"I'm no apologist for WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM." - BNP councillor Simon Smith
"It's clearly worth talking in terms of SIX-FIGURE SUMS to persuade families to go"- Nick Griffin, the Times, April 19, 2007
“We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an EXCESS OF SENTIMENTALITY TOWARDS THE WEAK AND UNPRODUCTIVE. No good will come of it.” -Jeffrey Marshall (senior organiser for the BNP’s London European election campaign), 2009 after the death of Ivan Cameron.
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Pendant
12 October 2009 at 13:33 'Marlene Guest repeating the claims of 'Did Six Million Really Die?'
Yes, love they did. Visit Aushwitz and you'll see the destruction that your idol, Adolf did.
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Pendant
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a.m.r.
12 October 2009 at 14:12 I suppose the BNP member list is useful for keeping tabs on who the Nazi's are, should the hammer ever need to come down again.
"Mein Kampf is my Bible." - John Tyndall (founder of the BNP)
Current leader Nick Griffin tells the KKK of his plan to "sell" the nazi BNP as "democratic" - then smash democracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OSzAtxnAJU
Griffin denying the Holocaust on the Cook Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QQwU00Jk&feature=related
Griffin denying he denied the Holocaust on the Cook Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-G2x9lotx8&feature=channel_p...
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Steve
12 October 2009 at 14:19 The BNP are the only ones who will stop our country being invaded. Unless something is done we will end up out-numbered in our own country. No other race would put up with this in their own country, nor should we.
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Neil
12 October 2009 at 14:23 Pendant
John Tyndall said this, Griffin said something else. SO WHAT!!! I could not care less. You sound like a typical UAF prat.
People are not bothered about the past but the future.
What ever the BNP do or say the cant be any worse
than the low life scum in power now. Mass Imigration to our country has done more harm than anything else.
All the problems that go with this scurge have been hushed up, and Griffin will expose the traitors in power that have destroyed this country-AND GOOD LUCK TO HIM. THE UAF & THE MAJOR PARTIES ARE FINISHED-so get over it
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Pendant
12 October 2009 at 14:44 'John Tyndall said this, Griffin said something else. SO WHAT!!! ' trivialising mass murder is sooooo yesterday( 6 million-ring a bell??)....
'All the problems that go with this scurge have been hushed up, and Griffin will expose the traitors in power that have destroyed this country-AND GOOD LUCK TO HIM. THE UAF & THE MAJOR PARTIES ARE FINISHED-so get over it' - Major parties are finished...hmm..not sure I agree with you there.
'You sound like a typical UAF prat. ' Well reasoned debate there. I see you went to debating society to learn such rebukes. How about SOME substance?
The UAF(is that Unite against Fascism and not Ulster agnostic forum ;-p)is a party I have no links to and frankly couldn't care less about.
What I do care about is redneck skinheads trying to convince me that there is 'MASS IMMIGRATION' or something along those lines occuring...........you're not a Daily Mail headline writer by chance?
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Neil
12 October 2009 at 15:18 Your message did make me laugh, never mind keep swallowing your mediction. Good bye
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a.m.r.
12 October 2009 at 15:30 The BNP say they represent British people, yet they got under 1% of the vote in the last general election.
Not quite as popular with people as they think they were, it seems.
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Steve
12 October 2009 at 17:22 @Pendant
you seem to spend a lot of your time quoting people. I think the BNP have moved on considerably from the earlier days, as does any party. The 3 major's have all said and done things they have either lied about or back-tracked on, and you have to agree that any party out there has to "evolve" to survive. I'm amazed at to the lengths(and dirty tricks) that the 3 major parties will go to to silence the BNP, when, as a.m.r.above pointed out that they have under 1% of the vote. Surley with such a small insignificant number, they wouldn't pose any threat whatsoever. Unless the squeaky clean Liblacon are afraid of what they may say about them. I think you should all calm down to be honest, it's up to the BNP to shoot themselves in the foot, just like the others do from time to time.
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a.m.r.
12 October 2009 at 17:59 Steve: "I'm amazed at to the lengths(and dirty tricks) that the 3 major parties will go to to silence the BNP"
What tricks? The BNP is unpopular because it's a racist neo-Nazi political party.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/465772/Angel-faced-raci...
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Neil
12 October 2009 at 18:25 Amr
Wow all those Quotes. WHATS YOUR ANSWER?
More years of CON & LAB, or is it just coincidence we now live in a crime, drug and multi ethnic filthy cess pitt.
You did not state this is how Hitler came to power.
For me I could not care less about what they said.
Cant wait for Mr Gordon Bilderberg Brown to be removed, and all the other traitors that have taken us into unjust wars to please the USA and their friends in Isreal.
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AS
15 October 2009 at 08:47 I am a BNP supporter. I am an Indian living in India. whenever i visit London, I become more convinced why Brits should vote for BNP. Someone out there need to recite the fall of Roman empire by Gibbons, to tell Britain how their society is facing an existential crisis.
cheers to 'multi-culturalism'!!!!
