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Let's not be mawkish about Maggie

Margaret Thatcher may be ill, but her legacy has never been healthier.

On the eve of the greatest-ever attack on social democracy in this country, Baroness Thatcher has been admitted to hospital -- but her legacy has never been healthier.

Nobody should be fooled by her octogenarian frailty: Margaret Thatcher is more than mortal. The rhetoric of the spending review is no doubt being rewritten as we speak, to feature sycophantic imprecations for the Tory spiritual leader's swift recovery, but her brutally right-wing, union-breaking, worker-alienating agenda is looking remarkably robust.

Like any self-respecting tactless teenage reds, my friends and I long ago started a kitty with which to buy booze and party streamers in the event that the Iron Lady should suddenly shuffle off this mortal coil. How impish of us. Tonight, though, it seems that Mrs Thatcher is going to have the last laugh.

The party funds have long since been drained to finance years of soul-crushing unemployment and student debt, and tomorrow George Osborne will announce the revivification of the cruellest state-slashing policies of the 1980s. The Big Society is Thatcherism reanimated, with all of the cold horror and none of the subtlety; drooling and lurching and smelling slightly funky. She will never really die. She will return, like any good mythic leader, whenever the rich and powerful are in their hour of greatest need, pull the iron handbag out of the stone, and lead the neocons to bloody victory with a dash of sugary sentiment on the side.

Let's not get mawkish about Maggie. She may be a sick woman, but unlike hundreds of thousands of other sick women in the country, she's not about to be threatened with eviction and destitution as her disability benefits and housing allowance are wrenched away. She's not going to be affected by the decimation of the Welfare State, 30 years after she laid out her project to destroy the Attlee Settlement. Even in hospital, she enjoys wealth, power and the prayers of a grateful right-wing caucus, but the prayers for clemency of the young, the poor, the sick and the disenfranchised are currently falling on deaf ears in Whitehall.

Tell you what, though: let's dig out the party hats anyway. The protests of charities, the public sector, the unemployed, the unions, women's rights organisations and a sizeable chunk of the people haven't scared the coalition into reconsidering their cuts, but a big, menacing hoedown to remind them just how hatefully parts of the nation nurse the memory of Thatcherism just might. Cheap, yes -- but not as cheap as the Tories.

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Michael Smith's picture

Hey Laurie,

Nobody's going to be sorry when you're dead.

I'll personally dance on your grave, and so will many others.

kthxbai

Amy Lokuciejewska's picture

Mrs T was / is a true hero. What have you ever done to save this country -- other than write unabashed socialist tripe?

Who would you rather have had take us into the global economy? Michael Foot?

Luddite's picture

Ehtch Tee let's talk about Northern Ireland. Ulster.. do you know why we have peace in Ulster.. Shot to KILL!! It worked. I can't decipher the last part of your rant, but what i will say is this. Some folk's did suffer under Thatcher, but losing your job and having to find another, isn't the same has been suspended from a ceiling having electrodes placed or inserted into your genitalia. The political-left in Argentina should applaud Thatcher.

redpesto's picture

Josh:"If Norman Tebbit had said he was glad that Foot had died, the leftist media and blogosphere would have been up in arms with faux outrage."

Nope - many would have just said: 'Typical'.

As for Thatcher: I'm still waiting for the head to be cut off and the stake to go through the heart, just to make sure she actually has gone. To paraphrase Buffy: 'First we slay, then we party.' If Thatcher -worshippers want to shed inconsolable tears and commit suttee on a pyre of burning copies of The Sun when she does die, no-one else will mind. Or care.

stuart's picture

what a vile disgusting man you are michael smith wishing harm on a woman.lets hope you never get trapped down a mine mate because i would leave you down there to suffer.

Michael Smith's picture

Poor Stuart,

I think you're confused. I was pointing out how unpleasant it is for Laurie to wish harm on Thatcher and propose breaking out the party hats on her death.

Oh, by the way, the Shift key (which can help you type big letters) is the one under the Caps Lock.

quiet riot girl's picture

when I was a teenager and Thatcher was at the height of her power, I played Tramp The Dirt Down with great relish, and I too imagined I might actually dance on her grave when she died.

But now Lady Thatcher is old and frail, her husband long since dead and her mind addled by dementia, I don't feel quite so excited by the idea of her life coming to an end, as all lives do.

I don't think celebrating one person's death does anything to avenge for the deaths that person caused.

I also think Ms Penny did not actually live through the Thatcher years so maybe she doesn't really know what it means to speak of them quite to the extent that those of us who were around, do.

writeoff's picture

Sheumais I doubt that you can, but FWIW I view Brown and Bliar as Thatcherite, as witnessed by the continued increase in social polarisation on their watch. Brown even had tea with her. It was Thatcher that brought neoliberal economics to this country, with dire consequences for all of us, including her supporters if only they could make a connection between the keys running down the side of their Jags and their own parochial self-interest. You can dress it up how you like there were and still are plenty of alternatives, only Thatcherism has handed the keys to corporate interests and we won't get them back. You can ascribe worthy intentions to her kind if you wish, I am under no such illusions. The rich have made themselves massively richer at the expense of the poor and the middle classes. The shift in national wealth upward is undeniable and dramatic. It has blighted the future of generations to come and the poverty it guarantees, kills. This is Thatcher's legacy. You won't get it but that's fine. Just a shame the weather's turned because a BBQ would have been nice.

Ryan's picture

Saying i'm irish, hope she spends eternity in hell if the devil takes her that is

Sciamachy's picture

@Darren Bunt - where d'you get the idea Blair was a socialist? He was a tory in all but party membership.

To those that repeatedly point to the 70's as an example of socialism being baaad m'kay, there were 5 Labour governments before the disaster of James Callaghan's "Winter of Discontent", unemployment was never so high as it was under Thatcher, & by 1981 she was the least popular PM we'd ever had. It was only the Falklands that saved her.

jie4v7i14's picture

Yes, Luddite, whatever,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eERUqYM8_zo

jie4v7i14's picture

and Luddite, who is taking the piss out of who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dtTfTGt77g

stuart's picture

i agree buckskins,these posh boy tory ponces who are picking on laurie penny whoo hooo what brave men they are would not last 2 minutes with proper street fighters like me,it amazes me how many men feel brave picking on women but heh that why in prison they have rule 4 blocks for them where they are locked up with all the other degemerates in society..

jie4v7i14's picture

more, luddite, fair play?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duCXO1tOkkg

Mel Davis's picture

and to add to 'Sciamachy' and ultimately, in the end she couldn't go 'on and on and on' because her own party relented and threw her out.

stuart's picture

shut your mouth michael smith,when i need advice about shifting keys i will rattle your cage and ask you.

Bob Jackson's picture

This talk of the Falklands is silly. If Galtieri had waited for Thatcher's defence cuts to take effect, he would have got away with it. When he invaded, she was completely wrong-footed. Her whole policy was in ruins. The seamen's union were the first to demand action. The Chiefs of Staff offered a plan, and she went along with it to save her neck. Her bluster really offended the wartime generation, because they knew she sat out the war at Oxford, where studying science kept you out of uniform. As soon as the ex-soldiers had graduated, she went back to study tax law. She did stand up to Reagan over Grenada, though, which shows she had considerably more backbone than her sycophants on this page, so they're right to mourn her. For the rest, "rejoice" is the word she taught us.

jie4v7i14's picture

Might as well have a bit of Val Doonican and his Ring and Rockin' Chair, to get the tears really flowing here, emotionally,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6QfGzsLg1Q

triedeinsursE's picture

Lets not be too hard on little red Laurie. The Iron Lady broke the Communist backs of your unions. She made thousands of hard working folks home owners. She won an unjust war that had the lot of you singing rule Britannia. In a word she gave you some PRIDE in you and your country. She had your country debt free and left decades of Socialist and Communist driftwood a burned pile of ashes. You have never had a right wing government since she was in office. I don’t care what name they were using. You squandered the Lions share of Scottish oil and you thought that would last forever. With her iron fist you would be in the same financial league as Norway. So lets try to cut little red Laurie some slack. Try to understand her pain because her misguided ideas about a red utopia are in the city dump where they belong. We don’t have to agree with her but we can enjoy her writings.

triedeinsursE's picture

Stuart, when they start correcting your spelling, you're getting to them.

Cheers mate.

stuart's picture

hey buckskins how are you bud,i just get a bit bored with these people who attack my poor spelling and grammar.its all down to class snobbery just because i am not middle class with a university education, my message to them is f@@K off you w@@@@@s.

Left Is Forward's picture

Throwing millions of people to the dogs, and seeing how well they fend for themselves, inevitably kills people. Thatcher is a mass-murderer.

Ripping apart education, closing the options of a way up for the poor, banning them from having milk or a decent school meal, is child-abuse. Thatcher is a child abuser.

Launching an illegal war against a militarily weaker power, in order to regain a colonial possession that never legitimately belonged to Britain, and claim it was to protect a couple of hundred "British" sheep-farmers (though so so far from Britain and utterly unconnected with it) who had been equally illegally planted there - is colonialist militarism, and the blood-thirstiness of her actions could be tried in court for Crimes Against Humanity.

Destroying the economy, attacking those on benefits, flogging off the pride of British industry while gutting the rest, then letting the rich get richer as financial wizards - yuppies who were reincarnated spivs - was deeply insulting and humiliating to very many decent hard-working men and women, and to those who ended up starving, or freezing in homes they couldn't afford to heat, or committing suicide in desperation at their tragic situations, it was fatal. Thatcher committed genocide on her own country, the one she claimed to love so much!

So in summary, Maggie was child-abusing mass-murderer, guilty of crimes against humanity, who destroyed the economy and committed an unspeakable genocide against her own people. Is anybody surprised that we are going to LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT when she dies?

The downside is that she isn't dying a death anywhere near as painful as she deserves, nor will she be punished in full for her crimes. The good news is that when she dies, there'll be a grave, where we can all express our real feelings on the matter.

Perhaps we may draw inspiration from a poem by Byron, on the notorious hard-line Tory, Castlereagh:

Posterity will ne'er survey
A nobler grave than this:
Here lie the bones of Castlereagh:
Stop, traveller, and piss

jie4v7i14's picture

My late mother worked all her working life as an NHS nurse, right up to retirement age (60), even though in the last sixteen years suffering from an incurable debilitating illness, which she eventually succombed to, after only a few short years of retirement.

Thatcher has nothing on her.

My personal view of Thatcher may not be on the Pinochet scale, but it is not far off, and I do not care how she is feeling at the present moment - I washed my hands of her years ago, more or less.

triedeinsursE's picture

And now 8% cuts from the carcass of your military. I predict The Malvinas will be Argentine in 5 to 8 years.

triedeinsursE's picture

Listen to something decent for a change Ehtch Tee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohC7o_PPPtY

Luddite's picture

Laurie Penny. I may admire your passion but not your politics. In your youth you want to change the world, but as you grow older you want things to remain the same. But getting back to 'EVIL' Maggie, and some on the political-left, need to get over Mrs T. I ever understood why the Argentines never thanked Maggie and of course the British military, for their liberation from a right-wing military dictatorship. How many died horrible and cruel deaths. some say 10.000. and how many are alive today because of Maggie.

Luddite's picture

Mrs Thatcher may have been responsible for the demise of the mining industry, but she did have a little help from the Unions..

'The party funds have long since been drained to finance years of soul-crushing unemployment and student debt' You are a bright lass, you'll be alright sweetie, a bright little left-winger, you may even get a job at the BBC..

Here's a little thought. Thatcher did sell of large amounts of council housing, but her government built more affordable homes in one year, then Labour built in 13 year's.

Luddite's picture

Stuart.. Buckskins is right, your comments have the same value as the next man.

jeremiah's picture

The sooner that greedy scheming old bag dies the better.

She better not get a flipping state funeral neither!

writeoff's picture

Luddite. Galtieri was on his way out, like Thatcher his government got a temporary bounce by the use of blind patriotism (and a wild goose chase for oil) to distract the natives. Yes the Argentinian govt. were evil, even more evil than Thatcher's chum Pinochet's Chile but what happened next was irrelevant to her. And actually what happened next was yet more neo-liberal economics which completed the screwing of the whole country. They got Thatchered twice over. Nothing to be grateful for there.

Luddite's picture

Did you know this 'scheming old bag' Jeremiah. Was so outraged at West Yorkshire polices inability to catch the Yorkshire ripper, she personally intervened, bringing in outside forces, only a few months later after Thatcher's intervention, that bastard got caught. It maybe just a foot-note in history, but how many women are still alive today because of Mrs Thatchers intervention.

jeremiah's picture

@Luddite. Yeah, it wasn't the last time she drafted in the Police. Remember the Miners Strike? Luddite you Tory swine!

jie4v7i14's picture

Luddite, may I remind you of Pinochet and Chile if you want to count deaths from despotic military rulers here and there around the Andes. And the thatch unvelievably had him round for tea. Remember?

life long conservative's picture

Thank God the majority of human beings don't spill such evil thoughts out into the public domain..how can you wish death on anyone unless that person has committed a heinous crime against a loved one..Margaret Thatcher stood up for what she believed in..she was a politician with more balls than all the politicians in goverment in the last 20 yrs!!! i don't use big words i am not a walking dictionary and i have grafted my ass off since i was 16 yrs old when i had my first child..keep your vile thoughts to your selves instead of spurting them all over newspapers for maximum effect!! Oh yeah and by the way the electorate never turned their backs on Margaret Thatcher her own treacherous ministers did to try and keep their own arses in power..and look what happened to the conservatives then..obscurity for nearly 20 yrs..wake up and smell the fresh air..

stuart's picture

nobody should wish death on anybody i agree,but remember this crybaby conservative tory boy ,11 miners lost there lifes in the miners strike at the hands of the police gestapo,countless battered and bruised and thrown into jail in some kind of stalinist purge,them were bad days tory boy and less you forget it.

Mr. Divine's picture

@Iden, I'm glad you like the way I portrayed Margaret, our beloved ex-leader. It appeared to me that you found my analysis somewhat comic. But comedy does get to the root of the issue, don't you think?

Here is a thing you got right:

'Thatcher never won 50% of the vote in any of her three terms.'

Yes granted. I was definitely wrong here suggesting otherwise. However this one thing you got wrong. You wrote:

"inefficient mines with their highly paid workers" - Incredible. Highly paid? Wow. So earning below national average wages is "highly paid" in his world? What a crazy neocon.

The miners were highly paid in comparison to road sweepers and other labouring jobs. The pay I think was at least four times as much. Mining was a pretty well paid job, and actually it still is. The key point I made is that other poorer workers have to pay tax. Some of that tax goes to miners via taxation as the mines were being subsidised by the government. As such miners were benefiting from money given to them by much poorer workers. I don't know if the miner's wages were below the national average... do you have any figures from that time? But it doesn't matter, miners were being highly paid in comparison to other workers. And in effect poorer workers were subsidising the wages of the miners.

Its good to express the many positives of Mrs. T. I mean was everything she did all bad?

Mr. Divine's picture

What goes around can come around sometimes with greater force. That's the beauty about being in Great Britain,its got all ends of possibility.

Friday nigh anyway so what the ....

Mr. Divine's picture

Don't believe a word Luddite and Buckskins say to you : your words have far less value than the next man's because they don't have capital letters and full stops.

A roller coaster eh? I hear that it was a merry go round and you fell off one of those dancing horses.

Mr. Divine's picture

IS IT OK TO CELEBRATE A DEATH?

What is done is done. And in the end we all die. Its sad to think that we'll all die. Sometimes I think about what it would be like to be dead. Do you? It's kind of scary. All of a sudden you're dead. Think now what it is like to be dead.

And some people feel so much hatred against another human being that they rejoice when they die. Its kind of French mob mentality. It shows how much people can be influenced by certain types of media and peer pressure. You don’t actually get to know the person but you judge him/her by what the media, your parents and your parents and peers say to you.

But is the celebration of a hated person a bad thing? Is the hate justified? And how do people justify hate? Laurie feels hate towards Margaret. Is it justified? I don't know. She feels it. And people criticise her for feeling it. Are those people justified in criticising her? And just because she wants to celebrate the death of a person does that make Laurie unkind herself?

Well I think it is quite obvious that Laurie is a kind and forgiving person who genuinely wants people to be given the support and kindness that they need. We might disagree with her views but we can't say she isn't kind. Nor can we criticise her journalism as her phrasing is most poetic and has lead to a considerable following of VIPs, mostly notably myself.

Nick's picture

Luddite: The capturing of the ripper was down to two vigilant coppers on the beat who pulled him up on a number plate check, the Ripper made an excuse that he needed to go to the loo in the nearby hedge. The coppers put two and two together and smelt a rat, a hammer was then found in the bushes; it was this which led to him being nailed. It was the actions of vigilant policemen who caught the Ripper, nothing whatsoever to do with Maggie Thatcher.

I wonder how many beat patrols we will lose under Thatcher's Tory successors?

stuart's picture

what you cant handle mr divine is buckskins,luddite,nick and many others are my freinds in this blog,we dont always agree with each other but mutual respect with do have,your problem mr divine is you dont know who you are,one minute your a left winger then you turn full circle and become a right winger,confused heh?? this blog has stirred up a hornets nest when it comes to thatcher,good

Nick's picture

I think Stuart raises a valid point there Mr D. I recall how you drew attention to my over use of words and yet you criticise him for his lack of grammar. Actually, despite all of that, there's one thing about Stuart, he tells it like it is; his message is always clear and very perceptive in view. I recall you have a background in linguistics, perhaps you need to read the message rather than study the words?

mike's picture

Bloody well said!

Lox's picture

I've never voted Tory, and I doubt I ever will; I think that Mrs T was driven to undermine manufacturing industry in the UK by ideology: and I've no time for her jingoistic britishness. But to use an elderly woman's frailty as an excuse for your undergraduate level posturing is contemptible. Shame on you.

Mr. Divine's picture

Nick and stuart: The gloves are off when the blog cage fighting contest is on.

Mr. Divine's picture

@stuart; the problem with you is that you keep trying to label people, left-winger, righty , merry go round addicts.

Lets get this straight, "I am Divine" Say it three times so you don't forget.

You're nothing but a capital letters and full stop absentee user.

Mr. Divine's picture

You are still playing aren't you? Or have you given up?

stuart's picture

where are the protests on the streets.where are the unions,where are the radical students waving there placards and fighting the police,where is everybody,what is going on,the french must think were a bunch of woosies and pansies,get out there you radicals before its to late.the french can do it so why cant you,be brave,make a stand.

Laurie Penny1's picture

Lox - actually, no. I don't think this is the time for tact. Why should we be kind, and respectful, and pitiful towards Margaret Thatcher? She has shown not a scrap of kindness, not an ounce of pity, not a modicum of respect for people's desire to live decent lives. Why should we show kindness? Why should anyone?

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