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Our only hope is to talk

David Grossman

Published 29 January 2009

Israel must speak to the Palestinians: it is the sole strategy by which Israelis themselves will find healing and peace. Plus read our letter from Gaza

Plumes of smoke rise above Rafah, in southern Gaza: this is not how Israel will achieve real victory

Our only hope is to talk

Like the pairs of foxes in the biblical story of Samson, tied together by the tail with a flaming torch between them, we and the Palestinians are dragging each other into disaster, despite our disparate strength, and even when we try very hard to separate. And as we do, we burn the other who is bound to us, our double, our nemesis, ourselves.

So, in the midst of the wave of nationalist invective now seeping Israel, it would not hurt to keep in mind that this latest military operation in Gaza is, when all is said and done, just one more way-station on a road paved with fire and violence and hatred. On this road you sometimes win and you sometimes lose, but it leads in the end to ruin.

As we Israelis rejoice at how this campaign has rectified Israel's military failures in the Second Lebanon War, we should listen to the voice that says that the Israel Defence Forces' achievements are not indubitable proof that Israel was right to set out on an operation of such huge proportions; it certainly does not justify the way our army pursued its mission. The IDF's achievements confirm only that Israel is much stronger than Hamas, and that under certain circumstances it can be very tough and cruel.

But when the operation ends completely, and when the magnitude of the killing and devastation become apparent to all, perhaps Israeli society will, for a brief moment, put a hold on its sophisticated mechanisms of repression and self-righteousness. And then perhaps a lesson of some sort will get etched into Israeli consciousness. Maybe then we will finally understand something deep and fundamental - that our conduct here in this region has, for a long time, been flawed, immoral and unwise. In particular, it time and again fans the flames that consume us.

The Palestinians cannot be absolved of culpability for their errors and crimes. To do so would be to show contempt and condescension towards them, as if they were not rational adults responsible for each of their mistakes and oversights. True, the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip were in large measure "strangled" by Israel, but they, too, had other options, other ways of voicing and displaying their plight. Firing thousands of rockets at innocent civilians in Israel was not the only choice they had. We must not forget that. We must not be forgiving of the Palestinians, as if it goes without saying that when they are in distress, their almost automatic response must be violence.

But even when the Palestinians act with reckless belligerence - with suicide bombings and Qassam missiles - Israel, which is many times stronger than they are, has tremendous power to control the level of violence in the conflict as a whole. As such, it can also have a profound influence on calming the conflict and extricating both sides from its cycle of violence. This most recent military action indicates that there does not seem to be anyone in the Israeli leadership who grasps that.

After all, the day will come when we will want to try to heal the wounds that we have just now inflicted. How can that day come if we do not understand that our military might cannot be our principal tool for establishing our presence here, opposite and with the Arab nations? How can that day come if we do not grasp the gravity of the responsibility imposed on us by our fateful ties and connections, past and future, with the Palestinian nation in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and in Israel itself?

When the clouds of coloured smoke clear - the smoke of the politicians' declarations of comprehensive, decisive victory, when we realise what this operation has really achieved, and how large the gap is between those declarations and what we really need to know in order to live a normal life in this region; when we acknowledge that an entire nation eagerly hypnotised itself, because it needed so badly to believe that Gaza would cure its Lebanon malady - then we can turn our attention to those who time and again have incited Israeli society's hubris and euphoria of power. To those who have, for so many years, taught us to scorn the belief in peace, and any hope for any change at all in our relations with the Arabs. To those who have persuaded us that the Arabs understand only force, and that we thus can speak to them only in that language. Since we have spoken that way to them so often, and only that way, we have forgotten that there are other languages that can be used to speak with other human beings, even enemies, even enemies as bitter as Hamas - languages that are mother tongues to us, the Israelis, no less than the language of the airplane and the tank.

To talk to the Palestinians. That must be the central conclusion we reach from this last, bloody round of war. To talk even with those who do not recognise our right to exist here. Instead of ignoring Hamas now, it would be best to take advantage of the new situation and enter into a dialogue, in order to enable an accommodation with the Palestinian people as a whole. To talk, in order to understand that reality is not just the hermetically-sealed story that we and the Palestinians have been telling ourselves for generations, the story that we are imprisoned within, no small part of which consists of fantasies, wishes, and nightmares. To talk in order to devise, within this opaque, unhearing reality, an opportunity for speech, for that alternative, so scorned and forlorn today, for which, in the tempest of war, there is almost no place, no hope, no believers.

To talk as a well-considered strategy, to initiate dialogue, to insist on speech, to talk to the wall, to talk even if it seems fruitless. In the long term, this stubbornness may do more, far more, for our future than hundreds of airplanes dropping bombs on a city. To talk out of the understanding, born of the recent horrors we have seen, that the destruction we, each people in its own way, are able to cause each other is a huge and corrupting force. If we surrender to it and its logic, it will, in the end, destroy us all.

To talk, because what has taken place in the Gaza Strip during the past three weeks places before us, in Israel, a mirror that reflects us a face that would horrify us, were we to gaze on it for one moment from the outside, or if we were to see it on another nation. We would understand that our victory is no real victory, and that the war in Gaza has not brought us any healing in that place where we desperately need a cure.

David Grossman is an Israeli author and film-maker

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32 comments from readers

jednightingale
29 January 2009 at 13:38

The EU, UN and Western nations have to impress upon the Hamas government that they cannot expect to have a blank check on repairing the damages created by wars with Israel. Whether Israel over reacted or not, the Hamas rocketing of civilian population centers in Southern Israel should be forbidden. The Hamas government has to be informed that the money earmarked for reparation and humanitarian aid will be contingent on their attitude to enter negotiations with Israel, renouncing their call for the destruction of Israel, and stopping the rocket attacks on Israel. If they refuse to commit themselves to these measures, then aid should be restricted and it should be used instead somewhere else in the world that is in need of such funds.

Jed Nightingale

new York

writeon
29 January 2009 at 18:28

As a neutral and objective outside observer, don't laugh! I am sickened by all this killing and desruction. It's all too much. Israel is just too strong militarily for its own good. It's turning into a modern version of Sparta or Prussia, and states like this have a tendancy to eventually produce a countervailing power to take them on, as surely as night follows day.

What's a true friend? Is a true friend someone who lies to you when you're going off the rails, or is it really someone who dares to tell you the truth, pull you up and make you think about the road you're on?

As by far the strongest part in this conflict Israel has the initiative, and it would be wise to use it, before things really get out of hand.

Jimmy Carter, in his new book, spells out the future for Israel. Israel can't be un-created, neither can Israel ignore where it is situated geographically. Israel is tempeted at the moment to attempt the de facto one state solution, that is control of all the land from the Jordan to the sea, including all the Palestinians that live there. There are now around 300,000 Jewish settlers on the West Bank, virtually surrounding the Palestinian enclaves. This is a fact on the ground that the nationalist/religious movement believes will mean eventually lead to Israel annexing the entire area.

But what about the Palestinians? Do they become citizens of Israel or does one deny them equal civil rights and the right to vote, or does one attempt to expell them somehow? If one gives them full democratic rights inside Greater Israel, in a decade or two they will be the largest ethnic group, then what happens? What happens to the Zionist dream if Israel has a Palestinian majority? What happens to Israel's character as a Jewish state?

So there isn't just a demographic timebomb ticking away, there's also a democratic timebomb.

The one state, Greater Israel, solution is a nightmare for everyone involved. It will lead to the destabilisation of the entire region.

writeon
29 January 2009 at 18:48

The Saudis have warned the West, through Prince Faisal, the former head of the Saudi intelligence service, that Israel, through actions like the assault on Gaza, is destabilising the entire region and fanning the flames of extremism and revolution. How long the Saudis and the Egyptian military regime can control their own people and protect Israel, Western and their own interests is an unknown factor, but every attack like Gaza undermines the 'moderate' elements and is a nail in their confins. Sooner or later there is going to be an explosion in the Arab world, the question is when.

What's terrifies the Saudis is that the Americans seem unaware of what's happening, or if they know they choose to ignore it, like the Israelis ignore the logical consequences of Greater Israel. Greater Israel is a doomed, insane, project, but never-the-less that's the direction we are heading in. As we speak the settlements on the West Bank are expanding and swallowing even more Palestinian land. The extremist settler movement, as growing power in Israel, doesn't have any intention of moving back behind the 1967 borders and any Israeli politician who decided to confront them would probably be signing his own death warrent, as Rabin found out.

In a sense we are in a race against time. Israel has to be pursueded by its friends to wake up and come to its senses, before the nationalist/religious right comes to power and begins its strategy of ethnic cleansing which will cause the Middle East to explode and bring Islamist revolutionaries to power who will be dedicated to meeting Israeli force with the same medicine. This is the nightmare scenario, Israel and the Arab world under the control of fanatics and extremists and heading for a war of survival, where one side has nuclear weapons, unfortunately it's in this direction we are heading, unless Israel's friends come to its rescue.

Procopius
29 January 2009 at 19:56

How can Hamas or anyone else trust the Israel that appropriates a foreign land, murders thousands of innocents, makes life wretched for the rest, ignores a list of UN resolutions as long as your arm, and has, through its political lobby ( admitted on TV yesterday by ex president Jimmy Carter) such control over the US political establishment and Middle East policy that no US politician could criticise Israel and hope to be re-elected-even if he/she knows that America's interests are being put beneath Israel's? Come on Jed...!!

Pencils
29 January 2009 at 20:32

What a tearjerker this article is! Crocodile's tears, unfortunately. Message - Israel wants peace, even though the Palestinians are bloodthirsty savages. David Grossman is the good cop. His job - PR that Israel 'wants to talk' . He's been at it for decades. Most of the rest of the world see that what Israel wants is the rest of Palestine with as few Palestinians as possible. This article is full of barely disguised messages that Israel was 'retaliating' and that it was an evenly matched conflict. Slimy.

bodek_tzitziyot
30 January 2009 at 00:31

"...no US politician could criticise Israel and hope to be re-elected-even if he/she knows that America's interests are being put beneath Israel's..."

How do you define "America's interests"?

Anti-Israeli politicians talk about America's interests as if they, and only they, are entitled to define what America's interests are. And usually they define America's interests in a very materialistic and real-politik-driven way, which leads them to support the numerous and oil-rich Arabs against the tiny and friendless Jewish state. They also impugn any American who thinks that upholding international justice for Israel, the right to self-determination for the Jewish people, and the right to self-defence for Israel are American interests, because they do not lead to direct material benefit to America. But having a strong friend in the Middle East has benefited America politically, which was why the US-Israel relationship was fortified by the US after the 1967 war.

America's electorate has a more humane and value-driven concept of America's interests, because it includes both material and moral components. They perceive Israel's cause to be just, and for them international justice is a primary American interest. And they know that Israel faces great dangers and has extremist enemies. That's why they vote out anti-Israeli politicians.

Pity Jimmy Carter doesn't get it even now.

explodingbadger
30 January 2009 at 02:11

Unfortunately I dont think Israeli leaders want to talk because they dont want a solution because that would mean removing the settlements, withdrawing to the 1967 borders and allowing the return of Palestinians to to their homes. All of this could happen easily by removing the army from the settlements which could return to Israel or live under Palestinian rule. Israels goal is clearly ethnic cleansing of Israel and the occupied territories. Only when Israel can accept the original inhabitants of the the land they live in will there be peace.

mnkors
30 January 2009 at 05:07

The recent gross violations of the Geneva Conventions in the Gaza Ghetto must be addressed with the full force of the law, otherwise the "never again" becomes an empty slogan.

Israel treats Palestinians as sub-humans. This immorality was at the heart of Holocaust.

The laws of the Western Civilization are recognized by Israel only - and only - when a Jewish person wants protection of his/her rights. Perhaps, this is time to treat Israelis according to the same rules they apply to Palestinians. It is long overdue to look upon Israeli warmongers as war criminals

writeon
30 January 2009 at 08:33

But the nationalists in Israel don't really want to talk to the Palestinians, why should they? Why talk to a people who one has defeated, yet who stubbornly refuse to accept their defeat? This is what frustrates the right in Israel. Why won't the Palestinians face up to reality, admit defeat, surrender, get over it and move on?

This arrogant Israeli attitude, is, at its core, a catastrophic, wilful, misunderstanding of the nature of military conquest, oppression; and the entire culture of national resistance to foreign invasion and conquest.

Israel cannot make the Palestinians disappear from history. It's possible to wipe Palestine off the map using military force, but wiping the Palestinians out is another story completely. In fact, the more Isreal attempts to 'disappear' the Palestinians, the more resistance will grow and not just among the Palestinians, in the wider region too, among all Arabs and in the entire Muslim world. The fate of the Palestinians is increasingly seen withing the context of the wider Western 'crusade' against Islam itself.

Israel cannot deny where it is situated geographically and culturally. It cannot deny the consequences of the demographic timebomb inside Israel, that in a few decades it will have a Palestinian majority. It cannot deny the democratic timebomb either. How will one integrate the Palesinian majority into Israeli democracy? Does Israel remain Jewish or democratic? It's one or the other.

Of course Israel's leaders could try to ignore reality and attempt to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, one way or another; but this would lead to an even worse situation where the pro-Western regimes that protect Israel, namely Egypt and Saudi Arabia, would fall, replaced by nationalist/religious dictatorships determined to confront the 'Zionist entity' and remove the shame and humiliation of the last sixty years.

mitchy
30 January 2009 at 16:59

Bob,

Nice ideas, but I find myself reading them and thinking 'if only...'. I fear reconciliation in the manner you describe may be a long way off, if it ever happens.

I'm interested also, would you follow your own advice and go out to Palestine to help? I have to say I'd love to myself, but fear of being picked off by an IDF marksman kind of makes me hesitate, know what I mean?

Forlornehope
30 January 2009 at 18:21

One conclusion from Gaza has to be that no Palestinian with an ounce of sense will accept a two state solution on any basis acceptable to Israel. For quite understandable reasons, Israel will insist on controlling the borders and airspace of such a state. The first terrorist attack against an Israeli settlement within its borders and Israel will attack. A truly independent state would be bristling with anti-aircraft missiles, but of course Israel would never allow that, so it will be defenceless. All a two state agreement will do is give Israel the advantages of being an occupying power with no need to fulfil the responsibilities.

Camus
30 January 2009 at 20:00

writeon, again, a fine set of comments. It's an

agonising struggle in which the Israelis are in a win-

win situation. The right is gaining strength, the

settlements are not in question, the terms of an

armistice are dictated by the Israeli government and

until a few days ago, the Uniuted States did nothing. I

agree 100% with david Grossman and with daniel

Baranboim, who has done more for peace than any

other person, living or dead.

writeon
30 January 2009 at 21:38

Bob, Camus, et al

I believe that ordinary people, the kind who really don't own very much apart from the clothes on their backs and maybe, if their lucky, a roof over their heads, don't want war and endless killing and destruction.

Peace is not only possible, it's the only sane way forward. Look away from the rhetoric on both sides and the vested interests, and one sees that a peaceful solution has been on the table for decades. The latest variation is the Saudi/Arab League offer from 2002. This plan is simple. Israel retreats back to its 1967 borders and leaves east Jersusalem. Palestine will occupy the West Bank and Gaza joine by some kind of corridor. This is a compromise that might just work. A viable two-state solution.

In return for a Israeli pull-back the Arabs will recognise Israel, establish normal diplomatic and economic relations and the conflict will be over. They have even indicated that the right of return for the millions of refugees is negotiable. Hamas has 'de facto' accepted this plan.

The question is, why does Israeli ruling-class reject this plan? Do they really believe the Zionist dream of Greater Israel, a state occupying all of historic Palestine from the sea to the Jordan River, is a realistic alternative? A form of aparthied state, where a Jewish minority rules over a Palestinian majority for ever?

Yet, in the West and especially in the US one can't even discuss this Saudi proposal. Most people don't even know it exists! Instead of debating reality we're debeating rhretoric and a fantasy.

The big problem is how we deal with the nationalist/religious/zionist ruling elite in Israel. How do we make them face reality? As long as they have the absolute support of the US they have no incentive to compromise and accept the Arab peace proposals. So the route to peace in the Middle East goes through Washington, because Washington is bankrolling Israel and arming Israel.

The Saudi plan won't be on the table for ever, and after that what?

ikotubo
30 January 2009 at 23:45

Yes, Israel should speak to the Palestinians. As if Israel itself is listening. And why should they, when they enjoy so much support from the EU and the Americans?

writeon
31 January 2009 at 12:28

But as we all know, talk is cheap. Words are no match for facts on the ground, like the continual growth of new, illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank. Surely, as a sign of good-faith, at the very least, Israel should cease this seemingly inexorable process of slowly annexing the West Bank? After Gaza wouldn't such a move show that Israel had no permanent designs on even more Palestinian land? Maybe it's time for some positive Israel action, not more words about 'peace'? What's to stop them stopping the settlement expansion tomorrow and beginning a slow withdrawal?

writeon
31 January 2009 at 15:41

Bob,

I think the secular nationalists are in charge of the government and the military in Israel. The old European elite. The extreme right-wing nationalists/Zionists, are not in power... not yet anyway. This is the nightmare. Yet we in the West aren't really engaging with Israeli public opinion and warning them of the consequences, for Israel, the Arabs and ultimately us, of allowing the fascist right to come to power in Israel.

Lieberman's 'Russian' party is particularly nasty and militant, Likud isn't much better, yet their leadership usually concentrates on robbing the country when they're in power. Patriotism never gets in the way of their financial interests!

If the hard-right wins the coming election in Israel we'll be heading for more war. They are trying to re-focus the entire conflict with the Palestinians as part of a larger conflict, the war on terror, with the Iranian 'terrorist' state at its centre, and Hamas and Hezbolah acting as Iranian proxies. Gaza is seen as an Iranian bridgehead on Isreal's border.

A big problem is that the in the United States the political class and most of the media are incredibly biased in favour of Israel. The Christian Zionists are more uncritical and pro-Israel than many Israelis. Perhaps because they are not on the frontline themselves, so being brave is easy.

So we need so kind of dramatic shift inside the American ruling elite, a more balanced approach, an honest approach, instead of absolute loyalty, then maybe there would be at least a chance of progress towards peice, but how likely is that, and will it happen in time to avoid the disaster that the region is seemingly, and inexorably heading for?

Pierre
31 January 2009 at 15:59

The only issue that stops peace from breaking out in Palestine is the Jews racism.

Carl Jones
31 January 2009 at 21:04

Its the NWO again.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/email/idUKLU674010

Carl Jones
31 January 2009 at 21:09

Here wew go again, or was this another PLANNED slip?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cznZs-swR9k

writeon
01 February 2009 at 22:11

Isn't there a questionable, moral dimension, involved when the Olmert, the Israeli PM, openly threatens 'disproportionate' attacks on Gaza, on top of the recent massively disproportionate onslaught?

Is the what the West is coming to, the use of disproportionate violence, which, apparently, is the only language 'evil' or 'terrorists' understand? But isn't this attitude to violence, at its core, fascist?

writeon
01 February 2009 at 22:59

The disproportionate use of violence in warfare, is a form of barbarism, and shows what kind of people we in the West are becoming - barbarians.

Zog
02 February 2009 at 02:07

This article is little more than smoke and mirrors. He didn't even mention the word refugees, once, nor did he mention 1948; the right of return; the occupation, etc.. Here, the focus is on the Palestinians from the point of view of a benevolent father. Couldn't be further from the truth. Zionism is socially exclusive movement that has dispossessed, and continues to dispossess Palestinians from their land and property -- willfully killing those who get in the way

writeon
02 February 2009 at 08:48

The West is throwing the moral baby out with the bloodstained bathwater, as we casually abandon a couple of centuries of attempts to 'control' warfare and they way we use violence. This will have serious consequences for us, and not just for the millions we have recently been slaughtering.

Preventive war, attacking helpless countries, bombing defenceless cities, rocketing civilian infra-structure, murderous seiges lasting years, collective punishment, the use of massive and disproportionate violence, tagetted assassinations, state terrorism, the denial of sovereign immunity, human sacrifice, mass culling of civilians - women and children, undermining national sovereignty and borders, re-drawing national bounderies at will, ethnic cleansing...

The list just goes on and on, and we are getting worse and worse, more and more violent and agressive. At the same time as we preach about our respect for human rights. Our self-righteousness, cant and hypocracy has literally no boundaries anymore. The key words. No boundaries and no rules, no laws. Only power and might, which gives us the right to do as we please. Resulting in a world of increasing barbarity and uncontrolled violence. In a word - madness. The madness of the West.

writeon
02 February 2009 at 10:40

Bob,

I've written several novels which try, in small way, to explain, illustrate and 'do something about it', but it's not much in the great scheme of things. But I think, gathering from the mail I get from readers, that I've 'polluted' the minds of millions of people with some rather disturbing ideas, that may have some postitive influence.

The main ones being, think for yourselves, question everything - even those things you believe, distrust all leaders, don't trust the false premise of violence, be sceptical about everything in the media, the reasons for most wars are lies, nationalism is a curse, love is stronger than hate, anarchy is the best policy, freedom is better than slavery, leave the planet in a better state than when you left it, democracy is always under attack, fascism is evil, God is potentially in all of us, blood begets blood...

writeon
02 February 2009 at 15:20

Bob,

The only thing I know about 'collective consciouness' is the Grateful Dead heading off for the heart of the sun.

wiggi wiggi
03 February 2009 at 11:49

bob,

Yeh brother, we do live in the land of milk and honey, if only the world think the way we do, imagine trying to explain to a child what is going on in the Gaza strip..

sam the pantisocratist
04 February 2009 at 13:09

Bob:

In your case 'tight' may be a very apposite use of language.

sam the pantisocratist
04 February 2009 at 13:15

Also Bob:

Before taking on the mantle of the Middle East Peace Envoy perhaps Perry Anderson's background filler would help you get up to speed:

http://www.newleftreview.org/?page=article&view=2330

sam the pantisocratist
04 February 2009 at 13:27

Also Bob:

Henry Siegman offers an interesting update to recent events:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n02/sieg01_.html

Hope this helps.

Ari Rusila
04 February 2009 at 23:40

If some ethnic groups hate each other and when both can base their views and claims to selected parts of hundreds or thousands of years so basically there only two peaceful solutions: to train tolerance for generations developing same time living conditions or separate the groups by ethnic lines. Balkans have long experience about the second option.

Recent history has examples of population movements also outside Balkans. After WWII Germans moved e.g. from Poland inside new borders. Finland settled some 10 % of its population from territories occupied by the Soviet Union, which from its side transferred new population to new regions. (More in my article http://arirusila.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/gaza-war-could-bal...)

In this never ending story it was very refreshing to read an article of John R. Bolton published in Washington post 5th Jan. 2009. Instead of empty statements and dead road maps he is proposing “The Three-State Option”, where Gaza is returned to Egyptian control and the West Bank in some configuration reverts to Jordanian sovereignty.

I agree with Mr. Bolton about three-state solution and would like to see it a bit further developed by making a buffer zone between Israel and hardliners in Gaza. From my point of view the best way to do this is to relocate population from Gaza some 50-100 km SW to Sinai. (More in my article http://arirusila.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/the-three-state-op...)

Emptying Gaza by internationally agreed and financed population movement is brutal and immoral action but what is the alternative – continuing wars, intifadas and human catastrophe forever - more dead road maps? It is pragmatic solution, good planning is needed so that new settlements are made sustainable way with possibility to various economical activities and implementation must be effective backed with sufficient financial resources for infrastructure, housing and logical socio-economical development programs.

writeon
05 February 2009 at 13:29

Ari,

Bolton is bonkers. He is advocating ethnic cleansing on a massive scale and the destruction of the last remaining areas of Palestine and an attempt to make the Palestionians vanish from history. This would be fine for Israel, they would effectively control all of Palestine, but somehow I don't believe the Palestinians will ever agree to a 'solution' that is so grossly immoral, brutal and illegal in international law. Why should the Palestinians, who are, after all, the majority ethnic group in Palestine/Israel give up their homeland and democractic rights, just because Israel is, for the time being, militarily superior?

What bonkers Bolton is really taking about isn't a three state solution at all, but a one state solution. And that's a Greater Israel that controls the entire area of Palestine and has effectively wiped it off the map.

But what about the Palestinians, can they be wiped away too? 4.2 million in Gaza and the West Bank, 2.6 million in refugge camps, 1.5 million spread around the world, 1.4 million inside Israel. That's over 9 million Palestinians. Bonkers Bolton is living in a Zionist dreamworld, which is, of course, a nightmare world for the Palestinians. No, my guess is, that the territory that was taken by force, will eventually be taken back by force.

Riaz Ahmad
12 February 2009 at 00:47

Israel has only one option, just peace and coexistence with the independent state for the Palestinians or a second exodus for the Israelis in 50 to 100 years time. They are living in tiny land surrounded by a sea of Arabs. There is already a power shift from the west to east. The days of western and Israeli arrogance and injustice are truly numbered. I would hate the Jews of Israel to lose their homeland once again; every race has a natural and undisputed right to their home land to live in peace and prosperity. The Zionist's in their greed are a threat to long term security and existence of Israel. What was done by an arrogant power with injustice and brute force will one day get undone by another arrogant power with injustice and brute force. Today the west is strong and arrogant, the Arabs weak and divided, but Christmas has never lasted for ever for any one in history. Peace to the world.

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