I recently had my viewing of Borgen ruined by this very issue. Throughout the 2 series it built up an excellent picture of the stresses and strains (particularly stresses) that having a high-powered job entials and the impact that this has on family life and children in particular. Then in the last episode of the 2nd series just as the Prime Minister's daughter is leaving a mental hospital where she has been treated for extreme anxiety, the daughter's psychiatrist tells the Prime Minister that her having this extremely stressful job had no effect on her daughter's health. Rubbish! Utter rubbish! (not least because the daughter's illness was previously portrayed as escalting as a result of the mother's workload and the increased pressure on her and the mother's failure due to being preoccupied to notice the emergence of her symptoms) No one, man or woman, can work in a highly stressed environment without bringing it home to some extent and once there it can and usually does do damage to spousal relationships and to the children.

I also think you are deluding yourselves by claiming that there is no element of choice in women taking on the primary carer role and that it is some great state/male driven conspiracy. In my own experience my feminist wife (and I don't say that in any derogatory sense) was the one who wanted to cut back her hours to spend more time with the kids (lucky she worked in the public sector and could do so with ease) with no pressure from me.

Look up Planet Nibiru - heading this way fast

The "Feminist" movement, I have heard was created by the U.S. government of the day to get women out of the house and working so that "the other 50%" of the population could be taxed, creating more revenue for them to manipulate. The other reason was more sinister, to break family life up and have the state control what was being taught to the kids. It caught on in the Western World.
Men bought into it as well probably, as it took the pressure of them to be the sole breadwinner, and provided extra income to buy the house and car of their dreams. My husband of the day said to me ruefully when he was about forty and I was up to my ears in domesticity and cooking him cordon bleu dinners, "If you hadn't wanted kids, I would be driving around in a sports car by now!" Big deal!
In many cases, look where it's brought us. Believe me, having it all doesn't bring you happiness. It's a fallacy. There's little love, just greed and selfishness. (He's now my ex).
Today I do with much less materially, but I have my independence. That feels better to me than "having it all".

While I broadly agree with you, I do think equalizing maternity & paternity leave would have tremendous consequences no matter where you fit in society; it would have just as much impact on shelfstackers as stockbrokers.

There's also all kinds of side benefits: abolishing the perceived advantages of hiring men (Entrepreneurs will tell you off the record that they worry about hiring women of child bearing age because they fear maternity leave), also making a strong statement as to parenting being an equal role, making relationships stronger by facilitating both parents being around etc etc.

Women want it all? I don't think so.
What women want is security, and a bit of pampering now and again. Some women haven't been able to rely on men to provide them with that, so must needs. Men have let them down badly, in many cases, especially when they get older, getting traded in for someone younger, remember? It so rife that it doesn't make headlines anymore. Some women put up with their men "playing away" all for the sake of security and self-pampering. Some women have pre-empted being jilted, come fifty something, and decided to become self-sufficient. Many young women become single parents not out of choice but because the young fathers haven't got the security required to help raise a family. They want children and aren't prepared to listen to the ticking of the clock as they approach their thirties. It's a security thing. You men have got it soooo wrong.

Oh a couple of whining women want the world to change all for them because they cannot manage in the world as it is.

Stay strong and independent dontchaknow!

Loved the read :-)

This was the best: "Slaughter writes about feminism as though it were a product that she bought and consumed, which then failed to live up to her expectations."

Oh how I laughed. Slaughter makes rather dangerous thing, which is justification of her choices (and feminism is just about the oposite). Why 'Why women still can't have it all', because nobdy can (or else, 'it all' is entirely subjective and that's just fine, but Slaughter doesn't get it at all).
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Personally I disagree with these two, who say about the article; " In other words, it doesn't apply to most of us, here or in the States."

I think it's a very broad ranging and yet sensitive article and in view of all the technically nouveau middle class types created by our recent governments - there's a lot in it that rings true, I daresay. There are absolutely loads of middleclass ( formerly known as working class) women here in the UK who live their lives around work and/or transporting kids to places where they pay others do the parenting or leisure activities ( all risk assessed and probably very well dumbed down as a result).

Parents seem to think it's possible to pay somebody else to foster independence and initiative - we may buy a certain package to " build character" and good health - this usually involves the usual vestments and other trappings of the often highly securitized group activities market eg uniforms, inappropriate and unnecessary intrusive forms to fill in, inevitable pretentious exams/ public displays - all supposed to be good fun. But o wot a drag..

Is it any wonder so many kids eventually just start doing their own thing regardless of their parents opinion? Kids today seem to spend less time doing anything with parents apart from shopping, very little time forming opinions within the family unit about anything in particular. There's nothing wrong with a good argument. How can our kids ever learn how to do it, or not to do it - if not at home?

Anyway in so far as I could perhaps build upon my understanding of the first part of Anne Marie Slaughters article, here's two bits that could and should, in my opinion, be taken, or even shaken together and pressed down, so to speak;

"Only when women wield power in sufficient numbers will we create a society that genuinely works for all women. That will be a society that works for everyone." ; and
“Having control over your schedule is the only way that women who want to have a career and a family can make it work.” ( She quotes here Mary Matalin - somebody who went home from work )

Never mind high end power. The most important form of power or influence takes place for kids at home with the one's they love. This is where the world needs good leaders. It's a bottom up thing, surely..

The expansion of the flat upper end of the ventrilo mix which makes up the distal half of the knee joint is known as the ventrilo mixl plateau. The plateau is an essential part of the weight bearing function of the knee joint and if compromised can severely affect the movement, stability and alignment of the knee, interfering with gait. The fracture should be recognised early and treated accordingly so that the chances of post-traumatic knee arthritis and disability are minimised. Over half the patients in this category are in their fifties or older.

A large group which suffer this type of fracture is older women who already have some degrees of osteoporotic change in the area. Younger people with this presentation more likely result from more high energy events. The usual way these fractures occur is for a sideways force to be applied to the knee (often in a knock knee direction) while the knee is weight bearing with a downward force also applied. The lateral condyle (most commonly) is then squashed down by the large femoral condyle on that side. Sports injuries and falling from a height can result in this injury but it is much more common secondary to a road accident.

Around 25% of this kind of injury is secondary to a person being hit by a slow speed ventrilo mix at roughly the height of the knee joint, the bumper being the primary contact point. Falling from a height or sporting activities including horse riding can also result in this fracture. A fracture may result from a low energy event or a high energy event, depression fractures being more common from lower energy contacts and splitting fractures more common in higher energy involvement. This type of fracture can present in many complex ways and Schatzker and co workers have proposed a classification into six subtypes which is widely used.

Patient assessment does not concentrate solely on the state of the bony structures but includes the soft tissues in the local area including nerves, muscles and blood vessels. Cruciate ligament and cartilage (meniscal) injuries accompany around half of the number of ventrilo mixl plateau fractures and these may require separate surgical intervention. The medial collateral ligament, on the inside of the knee joint, is more at risk from the injuring forces as they often hit the knee laterally and force it into a knock knee position. More severe events can fracture the medial plateau and this is accompanied by higher rates of soft tissue damage.

It may be appropriate to accept a number of fracture displacement types for non-operative or conservative treatment but if the fracture depression is over 5 millimetres it may be decided to raise up the depressed surface and place a bone graft under it. If the fracture is an open one (with an open wound) then surgery will be required, as it will in cases of damage to the vascular system and in the case of the development of compartment syndrome. If the fracture is not severe then it should be treated conservatively and operation may be avoided, at least temporarily, in cases where extensive soft tissue damage threatens tissue integrity.

On establishing the diagnoses the management plan can begin and this includes treatments aimed at limiting swelling and inflammation such as keeping the part still, resting, elevating the leg and compression of the area. Debridement, the surgical removal of any dying or dead tissue, is essential to ensure the well being of the remaining healthy tissue. Compartment syndrome, where higher and higher pressures develop in the leg compartments, is an emergency for which fasciotomy (surgical release of the tissues) is indicated.

ventrilo mixl plateau fractures have as a treatment strategy to restore alignment of the knee ventrilo mix, re-establish full range of movement, and ensure stability of the knee and anatomical alignment. Overall the knee should be painless, movable and free from arthritis. Strong immobilisation of the fracture by surgery is necessary in unstable joints, with the denser bone of younger people allowing this. Functional bracing and total knee replacement may be necessary in older patients who have reduced bone density.

If "the final frontier" is ever to be breached feminists need to start playing the long game. Every part of the public services and UK employment & general law is designed to support women as primary caters, with fathers having little or no recognition in that role.

If feminists want equality they need to campaign for equality, not greater disparities between mothers and fathers. Nothing will change over night, but without parity nothing will ever change.

First demand the law changes to give fathers the same paternity rights in uk employment law. Second, start a social expectation for fathers to take up paternity leave.

your best article to date ladies. though some real howlers remain. such as; "the unfair division of domestic labour, aka 'the final feminist frontier'"
oh purleaze.....

and then what McMac said earlier. a post worth reading.

It is the anti-feminists that have been claiming women have "come a long way" and already "have it all" while feminists recognize all our "gains" are again under attack and continue to fight for basic rights such as the ERA.

Hang on - the essay ''claims feminism sold women an unrealistic expectation that they could juggle having children and a high-powered career''

by a woman who had children and a high powered career?
Anne-Marie'(s) Laughter perhaps?

“Having it all” is a repulsive phrase.

When my first daughter was born I took 18 months off work. This meant leaving my job never to return, I had no legal right to either a career or parent-hood, let alone both at the same time. When the savings started to wear a bit thin I got a new job and started to rebuild my career.

I suppose my career trajectory took a bit of a dip, but it would do, I wasn’t at work, I was with my family.

The truth is, there is no ‘having it all’. There are compromises, sacrifices, possibly some regrets. “Having it all” is a psychopathic way to view life, one that puts self at the centre, one that expects the rest of the world to line up just for you.

this is a facile misrepresentation of Slaughter's argument. Her article is much more nuanced and interesting than this rehash of the usual cliches