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You Nazi piece of crud. Jerking of to those black uniforms again?
I don't like Zionazi Israeli fascist police uniforms. Stick your head in a poly bag the docked dick shitehawk.
missed you Armi have you been away? back to apartheid Pakistan for a spot of women-stoning? or was it perhaps Egypt to take advantage of their necrophilia bill - and having a really good time with some foxy corpses?
Your obsession with necrophilia seems to have taken a turn for the worse; your Jewish princess can't be up to much.
It must have really upset you that then Israeli Football team was defeated by those nasty Goyim from Germania, eh nebich.
eh? since i called you vermin you have posted to me around a dozen times, giving me advice, providing perspective, and generally trying to be a friendly smart-arse. and now you're all monosyllabic and cagey.
fine, got it, understood; you lie and don't care who knows it.
you'd best stop responding to my posts then, all the best 'n that.
For the record before I stop responding to you: You've called me 'scum' and you apologised. You later then reverted to calling me 'vermin' and 'scum'. Also, you've lied about my posts when you claimed I never said something when I most clearly did.
So, what goes around, comes around.
Bye bye, Jankaas.
ok let's do that "for the record" then JJJ. i apologised for calling you scum because i included you in a list of posters who are scum when i should not have. i made a mistake, so i apologised. that's how i roll, you do not.
i then reverted to calling you scum and vermin purely because you are one of these to**ers who abuse the Holocaust to score cheap points against other posters. for the likes of you it is part and parcel of your approach when dealing with those who don't agree with you 100% on anything Israel related, and in doing so you p*ss on the memory of those who were murdered. the most odious event in human history is out of bounds unless the event itself is under discussion. but vermin and scum like you just don't get this.
there, now the record is complete.
More propoganda from you. You don't like it when someone DARES to puncture t'he balloon of ANGELIC behaviour of t'he Dutch in t'he Holocaust then you go apeshit.
When you write ambiguous guff about t'he Hamas charter and Coleridge picks you up on it you go mad abusing him. Your whole persona is one of hysteria and purposefully so. You duck and weave and always ambiguous. You pose questions and never accept t'he answers given to you. You claim that if you had to choose between living in Israel or any Arab country you choose Israel. Then you go and write crap that negates what you've just said.
You make stupid claims about Judaism thriving without Israel in history ignoring t'he Holocaust where it most certainly didn't thrive. When this is pointed out to you, t'he response is 'vermin'.
Just like your mate Arminius using t'he imagery of rats to define people you are nothjng but any antisemite.
thanks for confirming you abuse the Holocaust to score petty points. though you don't half whine and whinge. do calm yourself dear.
for the record; my parents were not even teenagers when the war finished, yet you think posting to me, a Dutchman, about Holland and the Holocaust is even remotely relevant to anything. this makes you scum and vermin of the type i despise.
Ben White tries to save face about his racist tweet
hey, crazy rude person, you still haven't defended your nonsense from yesterday. this one;
"can't say i am surprised that you answer a simple question with an avalanche of questions. you do this in every thread; you post a number of claims, i then ask you to defend one of those specific claims and instead of answering you stampede off into the tall grass.
remember your claim? you stated that no other country is held to the same high standards as Israel. i believe this is a patent falsehood, hence i asked you to defend it, to prove me wrong and hence that you are right. i asked you to name another Modern Democracy that discriminates against it's own citizens on the grounds of religion/culture. like so;
name me one, or accept you can't. it's that simple Julia, care to prove how right you are, just once?
you can then answer me a question which i will answer. this is the way these discussion threads are supposed to function. they're not your personal soap box.
What an utterly contemptible and dishonest article this is.
Strange that Ben White opposes Jewish immigration (or even presence) in Israel, but moans about the attitude of a minority of Israelis to Black Moslem in migration to Israel?
Who's the bigger racist?
I find it strange that White omits to mention the real tragedy here. Every week Egyptian soldiers shoot dead some 10 to 15 Sudanese, Somalis and Eritreans, many of whom are in fact Muslim tring to flee the Arab world into Israel. They are shot dead because they are black and viewed as sub-human and enormous offense is taken that they seek refuge in Israel.
I can only assume that White declines to mention this because he is either an Ill-informed idiot and doesn't know or he thinks that muslims shooting people dead is less serious than politicians in Israel objecting to their presence. How very odd and how very revealing of Whites obsessive anti-Semitic beliefs.
I see that odious creep JJJ is at it again. His contributions are so warped, so devoid of any sense that his thread belong in the dustbin, just as he does. Working for AIPAC must mena the standards are slipping???
Strange isnt it Ben that the African refugees who are allegedly so ill treated in Israel choose to roam hundreds of miles through all of those really friendly and happy democracies such as Sudan, Egypt, Somalia etc in order to seek refuge in the bastion of intolerance that is Israel. Oh and for a country hell bent on ethnic cleansing, Israel has been rather unsuccessful given that one and a half million Arabs have Israeli citizenship and a further three million live in Judea and Samaria.
a simple question Dandan (ok 2 questions).
you say that there is a substantial Arab constituency in Israel. this is indeed a fact, and they are as much Israeli citizens as the Jewish variety. so how do you think these Arabs feel when they are told by Israeli politicians that Israel is for Jews?
in addition i wonder if you can imagine how an Israeli feels when he/she is told their spouse will be denied Israeli citizenship if they are Arab/Palestinian?
Jackass you islamist bigot 2 very simple questions for you:
1. Where do you think Israeli Arabs enjoy more rights, have total freedom of worship, universal suffrage, a right to protest without getting their heads blown off, access to a free media, access like any other Israeli to state of the art health and education etc etc etc - democratic Israel or any one of the primitive barbaric islamist/arab tyrannies that plague this planet?
2. Do you think the Palestinian spouses of Israel Arabs would be denied Israeli citizenship if they did not reside in entities such as islamofascist Gaza where the Hamas regime openly declare their objective to be the murder of every single Jew on the planet - (remember Article 7 Hamas Charter which you obscenely sought to justify)? Surely if you are the citizen of a tyrannical regime bent on war until death with Israel you can't seriously expect your intended victim to grant you citizenship?
I would have thought this would be pretty obvious to most people but as we'v already ascertained you seem to have been the recipient of Stupidity Courses at your Pakistani Madrassa.
Trolldirge, let's see where answering your questions gets me;
1) since you give me choice of "democratic Israel" or "any one of the primitive barbaric islamist/arab tyrannies". the honest answer is Israel.
your turn; in which other Modern Demopcracy do citizens receive rights according to their religion/culture?
2) sorry but that is not the Law under discussion so your question is an impossible rhetorical bit of waffle. pls reformulate.
you also claim i have justified Hamas' Article 7, which is a lie. i condemn it 100%. i did ask you why you think Hamas came into being and why they would include such a vile section in their manifesto. the fact that you can't distinguish between someone 'analysing' and 'justifying' is entirely your problem Trolldirge. just one of your many many shortcomings.
The answer to you question Jackass is dead simple. In pretty much every Muslim states non-Muslims are persecuted and ethnically cleansed let alone granted 'rights.' In apartheid Pakistan millions of innocent Hindus and Sikhs were murdered and ethnically cleansed. The minority of Christians there are terrorized into converting to Islam and are sentenced to death for 'blasphemy' for daring to practice their beliefs. They have no 'rights'. In Saudi Arabia Jews are forbidden to enter that tyranny let alone afforded any rights. With the exception of Iran which has a captive Jewish population of 25,000, very few Jews live in any Islamic state because they were all ethnically cleansed.
Israel accords citizenship and rights in precisely the same way as any other western democracy. That's why south Tel Aviv now has a population of Moslem Africans that comprise 25% of its population. Israeli Arabs and Christians enjoy exactly the same 'rights' as Jews do. Which is why they vote, have their own political parties, have ministers in government, have Judges sitting on the Bench, have journalists reporting in the only free press in the middle east, have access to medication and education.
Hope this helps?
nope Trolldirge, this doesn't help one bit. your challenge was to find a comparable Modern Democracy which as any fool knows isn't Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. so either you are worse than a fool, or, you hold Israel to the same deplorably low standards as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. care to try again and name 1 modern Democracy that has laws favouring 1 religious group over another? or is Israel unique in that respect amongst Modern Democracies, or is it not a Modern Democracy? do tell.
you then post an outright lie; "Israeli Arabs and Christians enjoy exactly the same 'rights' as Jews do."
not true, as the article explained when it comes to getting married Arab Israelis are discriminated against under Israeli law. one undeniable example of how wrong you are Trolldirge.
i view such laws as abhorrent, perhaps you don't? (another simple yes or no answer required here Trolldirge)
btw i do hope i've now made you accept that i denounce Hamas' Artcile 7 totally and utterly and that you'll stop lying about my position regarding this. (oops, that's yet another yes/no question...)
BENJAMIN - BEN
Meaning & History
From the Hebrew name בִּנְיָמִין (Binyamin) which means "son of the south" or "son of the right hand". Benjamin in the Old Testament is the twelfth and youngest son of Jacob and the founder of one of the southern tribes of the Hebrews. He was originally named בֶּן־אוֹנִי (Ben-'oniy) meaning "son of my sorrow" by his mother Rachel, who died shortly after childbirth, but it was later changed by his father.
Love the photo Julia. I'm sure the Islamists get so distraught by it they go home and stone the wife/hubby!
Jackass - this was in response to you....sorry Ben White cant handle hearing anything but Israel hatred....
What other modern democracy's have endured wars and terror threats since it inception that has affected the very existence of it? What other modern democracy has been demonized at the UN so that the real tyrannical regimes get awaywith it and that there is no world attention to the suffering of more needy victims? What other modern democracy has hate and bile mandated against it via a supposed holy book that is the word of God that feeds the never ending cycle of hate and violence and against it? What other modern democracy has had more than half its population systemically murdered and now lives under the same threat from another but equally evil enemy? What modern democracy faces the kind of one sided debates against it always focusing on the negative, never ever ever talking about any kind of positive, always looking to see it fail, always looking to see it capitulate to a people who would see it destroyed. What other modern democracy within 64years has achieved the kind of success and the kind of progress that would have benefited all in the country and locale if the jealously, envy and pure hatred of it were more important to it that making peace and making progress for themselves.
can't say i am surprised that you answer a simple question with an avalanche of questions. you do this in every thread; you post a number of claims, i then ask you to defend one of those specific claims and instead of answering you stampede off into the tall grass.
you can then answer me a question which i will answer. this is the way these discussion threads are supposed to function. they're not your personal soap box.
What other modern democracy has had more than half its population systemically murdered and now lives under the same threat from another but equally evil enemy?
Israel had half its population murdered? I must have missed that one. Who is this other evil enemy that threatens its very existence?
I wonder why Israel doesn't just get on with its master plan - Israel from the Med to the Jordan, untainted by foreigners. Instead of taking Palestine village by village, why not wipe them out in one fell-swoop and then blame them for bringing it on themselves? There will by an outcry of course, but no-one will actually lift a finger. Onward then to the desert and those tiresome Bedouin. Black asylum seekers present no real problem. Their plane awaits them, but wait, what if they are Jewish?
What other modern democracy within 64years has achieved the kind of success and the kind of progress that would have benefited all in the country and locale if the jealously, envy and pure hatred of it were more important to it that making peace and making progress for themselves."
There you go Palestine. You too could have shared Israel's good fortune but you were just too jealous, hateful and envious. Now it's payback time!
Yeah you must have missed it, it was called the Holocaust. The evil enemy are the Arab Muslims who would butcher every Jew in Israel, if Israel didn't defend itself, your not very well informed.
Your making things up now with your accusations against Israel, maybe thats how you are able to justify your hatred, with lie's and made up stuff?
Its not a question of payback time, its a question of Arabs being the biggest failure of the last 200 years.
The so-called "Holocaust" ended in 1945 if I remember my school history correctly (it was not referred to as the Holocaust when I was at school) and the super dooper democracy Israel did not exist before 1948. You seem to be more than a little confused.
No your confused and your missing the point on purpose you rsehole.
The point is you are a twisted, lying old bat. Best you stick to cutting and pasting the guff of Zionists with a bigger brain than you.
'There you go Palestine. You too could have shared Israel's good fortune but you were just too jealous, hateful and envious. '
You are so consumed by jealousy, hatred and envy that you can't even see how right you are; how misguided is your irony.
The Jews and Arabs were gven the gift of statehood by the UN in 1947. The Arabs chose to ignore this and went to war against the Jews. The fate that befell the Palestinians who by the way 'suddenly' discovered their national consciousness because of the Jews mind you, was as follows: some ran away, some stayed and some for forcibly exiled.
Those that were forcibly exiled by the Israelis have spent their wretched lives in camps because the Arabs used these camps as a propaganda tool against the Israelis. Not only against Israel mind you but to detract from the awful human rights record of the Arab regimes themselves.
Those that ran away did so after believing the promises of the Arab states that they should leave to make way for the victorious Arab armies who would come and massacre the Jews and then the Arabs would take the Jews' place. What a turn up for the books that the Jews were not going to follow the script eh????
And the records show that the Jews who had lived with the Arabs of Haifa in harmony, pleaded with their leaders not to leave. It was of no avail.
Those that stayed in Israel are thriving. Don't believe all the propaganda you hear. They are THRIVING. Many of them hve a standard of living higher than many Jews have. They also send representatives to the Knesset, the Israeli parliament where they are free to outdo each other in their attempts to show that they have not sold out to the Israelis.
Everyone knows what would happen to a Jew if such a Jew was to dare say what he /she thought about the Arab government in an Arab country compared to what the Arab members of the Knesset say about the Israeli state. In a way I don't blame the Arabs in Israel for fighting, like every minority in the world for a larger share of the pie. However, Israel's situation is unique: It allows the kinsmen of its sworn enemies to actually thrive in the Israeli democracy.
There are Arab judges, even in the Supreme Court I believe. There are Arabs working in Israeli hospitals side by side with their Jewish colleagues. Arabs in the media, arts etc.
So stop the propaganda and understand this: The Palestinians are the authors' of their misfortune and the victims of their leadership.
Don't believe me? Read about Issam Swartawi and educate yourselves:
The Palestinians were never interested in a peaceful resolution. If they had been less murderous then they never would have commenced with the suicide bombing campaign in the nineties because they knew that the fearful Israeli public would then elect Netanyahu over Peres.
But yes, keep wallowing in victimhood and watch Israel thrive. From the sidelines.
Go and tell the Palestinian civilians whose family members have been butchered by the IDF how much they have benefited as a result of being in the locale of Israel. Face it, Israel is a racist, terrorist state which, if it weren't so cosy with the USA, would have been brought to book by now.
You ask which other democracy has had to withstand so many attacks in 64 year. I ask you a different question: which other democracy has been in contravention of so many UN Resolutions in 64 years? That's right - you can't name one.
I think by 'attacks' he means retaliatory, self-defence, with a vastly inferior armed force. Some fine examples of cognitive dissonance here, brought on, no doubt, by all those years of school faux history lessons, where good (you) prevails, faultlessly, over evil (them).
Why do so many think that, in order to be a good Jew, they must stick up for Israel's Fascist policies. Thankfully, there are much saner voices coming out of Israel today, and one of the few democratic practices to have survived is freedom of the press, though voicing their thoughts is sometimes met with accusations of 'anti-semitism'. One treads on broken glass in this area.
Most Jew's want peace to prevail, but the difference is they do not spout the bile and hate that is preached out of the entire Muslim world against Jew's and Israel.
To be a good Jew is to be a clever Jew and to understand in plain and clear terms who your enemy is and what they stand for. The Sane voice's your referring to are probably the same voice's who said, this Hitler fella, he's not so bad, if we give him room to undermine us and have power beyond our control, he'll be a partner for peace and progress, surely?
Look at Egypt, a sovereign nation, the first thing the population wants in this transition is to tear up the peace treaty with Israel. No doubt this is because a Jew is building a house somewhere a few hundred miles away? Whats the excuse for you this time?? What has horrible Israel done again to bring this upon it??? The same hatred that Israel faced during the 67 war and all the other wars waged against it is still rife, still exist's, nothing has changed from the Arab world, barbaric and backward.
Don't make us laugh with your propaganda: The great UN ha ha! The UN that fetes every dictator and despot under the sun e.g. Gadaffi, The UN that has just bestwoed the award of tourism envoy on...Robert Mugabe! The UN that ran away from the Sinai desert in 1967 when Nasser started his sabre rattling etc. etc. etc.
And if you love the UN so much, no doubt you support the 1947 resolution calling for a Jewish and Arab state in Palestine, don't you?
You mean by 'brought to book' annihilated by the Arabs? Butchered by the Jihadi's? I think you've shot yourself in the foot and made the case for Israel's right and need to defend itself.
And please don't quote me the UN resolution's that are voted by the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the largest voting block at the UN that also has among it the most tyrannical regimes who get away with it and that always vote against Israel. The great humanitarian leaders such as Saddam Hussain, Assad, Qadaffi, Ahmadinejad all take the moral high ground against Israel, LOL. What a joke you are, how ill-informed, what a Anti Semite.
LOL I've been censored, Ben White cant handle the opposite side of the argument and deleted me...what a t*sser.
We control our immigration in the UK, so why can’t Israel?
Israel is a tiny spec of a nation and quite rightly it wants to preserve its culture and heritage over and above anything might want to threaten it. Israel is geographically positioned by the Middle East and Africa. The Billions of people there, many of whom are Muslim would completely overrun Israel’s’ existence as a Jewish state if immigration was left unchecked. We control people from Europe, why cant Israel control people from Africa and Middle East?? Why would you take a successful country and let lazy, uneducated parasites come and ruin it? Its far better to be a success and give aid and know how to these people and let them help themselves
Of course people in Israel will discuss this issue in real terms and the flourishing democracy that Israel is allows its people to voice real concerns that we are too scared to do in the UK because of the PC brigade.
I am sure Israel has its violent bigots as the UK does and every country around the world, so what’s new about the Human Race?
As usual a standard is set for Israel that is over and above that of any other country. All countries around the world have immigration policies and all modern countries want birth rates to increase. All modern countries look to there futures and there are many studies about the demographics of the UK - has changed for the better? and for the worse? This can and does inform the 'racist' policy of the UK government? Or is it just a common sense to be understand 'what' or 'if' might happen if immigration carry's on a certain vain.
Next, the Palestinian people do not exist, as one of the leaders of Hamas has recently said, they are either all Egyptian or Saudi. The whole bullsh*t narrative surrounding the Fakestinians is now a money making scheme that see’s the Arabs receiving 9 times more aid per head than anyone else of the planet.
No doubt Ben White is making a good living of the backs of these people with his many works of fiction.
If you haven’t read the any of the many article’s that clearly expose’s Ben White to be a rabid anti semite and Jew hater, take a look at this latest offering.
Ben White is so jealous and envious of Israel, I love it.
(Julia Harris) We control our immigration in the UK, so why can’t Israel?
We do what? Britain has absolutely no idea how many immigrants it has.
(Julia Harris) why cant Israel control people from Africa and Middle East?? Why would you take a successful country and let lazy, uneducated parasites come and ruin it?
What was it you said about bigotry?
(Julia Harris) As usual a standard is set for Israel that is over and above that of any other country. All countries around the world have immigration policies and all modern countries want birth rates to increase
I think here you meant to add: all modern countries want birth rates to increase among 'their own' (white?) population. However, as far as I'm concerned, all modern countries want birth rates to go down - drastically.
(Julia Harris) Next, the Palestinian people do not exist,
Why is it OK for you to dismiss an entire people as non-existent, when to deny 'the holocaust' is against the law?
I shall now visit your recommended far right, white supremacist org - HurryUpHarry.
We have a much larger population here and much bigger land mass so it easier to absorb minorities and have a looser immigration policy. Immigration has been left unchecked by left wing liberal elites who believe in some kind of multicultural utopia.
Look if you cant speak clearly about sponging migrants for fear of upsetting them, just shows what a fool you are. The same argument exists here regarding genuine and non genuine migrant's. Look at France most Muslim migrants are unemployed and a drain on society, I don't make the stats up, sorry that they exist??
The Palestinians dont exist, these are not my words tho... Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt over Fuel Shortage in Gaza Strip, and Says: "Half of the Palestinians Are Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis"
Al-Hekma TV (Egypt) - March 23, 2012 - 03: http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3389.htm
Julia "BNP" Harris - Since you quote Fathi Hammad as an authority for your bizarre claim that the Palestinians do not exist, perhaps you also accept as true his considered assessment of the Jews: "The Jews have become abhorred and loathed outcasts, because they live off corruption and the plundering of the peoples – not only the Arab and Islamic peoples, but all the peoples of the world"
Yeah, he seems like a fair-minded chap with opinions that are totally trust worthy.
'Baglady' if you think that Harry's Place is what you say it is then you a moron. You are clueless.
And by the way, you've got it the other way round: Your beloved Mufti during world war 2 was a murderous antisemite who pleaded with your beloved Hitler to exterminate the Jews. Not that Hitler needed such encouragement. Hitler was using the Mufti for his own ends. The Holocaust was denied and is being denied day in and day out in Islamic countries. See Ahmadinejad who holds Holocaust revision conferences. By the way, the Iranians hate the Arabs, did you know that?
Arab states gave refuge to Nazi war criminals - see Syria. Pro-Nazis were in all over the Arab world. Some because they wanted to get rid of the British, some because they wanted to get hold of Palestine and many because they wanted to get rid of Jews.
Deal with it 'Baglady'.
Nazi war criminals were given refuge in Catholic Spain, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia and many other countries including the USA. So what?
Good old Ben . He'll put Israel to rights, mark my words. Once he's sorted them out he can move on to Arab countries (Syria comes to mind).; 10,000 plus a recent massacre of kids, but that that's nothing really (what d'you expect from Arabs?)
Isreal is the problem and Mr White, you're OUR MAN. Sort 'em out.
It's great being on the left isn't it! You get a really warm glowing feeling of moral certainty and, dare I say, superiority.
It is an unfunny irony how the cultural prejudices, and questions of purity, which lead to the world being shamed in to creating a home for Jewish refugees have become so easily and readily associated with Israeli politicians and so-called extreme religious leaders. Clearly hate, ignorance, and fanaticism are rife at the top... I pity the rest and us all.
Ben White is an activist and writer. His latest book is "Palestinians in Israel: Segregation, Discrimination and Democracy"