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Consult UNICEF and you find that 4,000 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian children die each year, 75% avoidably and due to racist Zionist-imposed deprivation in gross violation of the Geneva Convention (see: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/oPt_statistics.html ) i.e. race-based, racist Zionist-run Apartheid Israel deliberately passively murders 3,000 under-5 year old Palestinian infants each year and actively or passively murders about 6,000 Occupied Palestinians in total each year.
Jewish British Labour figure David Milliband recently reported thus on the Gaza Concentration Camp under war criminal blockade by racist Apartheid Israel: "Save the Children, obviously, is most concerned about the 53% of the Gaza population under 18. The statistics say 10% of children are "stunted" – so undernourished before the age of two that they never grow to their full potential" (see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/11/david-miliband-gaza-... ).
Post-invasion Occupied Palestinian avoidable deaths from Israeli-imposed deprivation now total 0.3 million and post-invasion under-5 infant deaths total 0.2 million (see "Ongoing Palestinian Genocide" in the recent multi-author book "The Plight of the Palestinians", Palgrave Macmillan, London : http://mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/4047-the-plight-of-the-palestinians.html ).
One deplores the violence in the US-UK-backed Syrian civil war however let us not forget that Apartheid Israel has almost completely ethnically cleansed the Golan Heights part of Syria of over 100,000 Indigenous inhabitants and recently shot dead a dozen Syrian pro-democracy demonstrators.
Its a real shame that the New Statesman has become the home of anti-Israeli fanatics and a welcome place for the Far Right to exercise their hatred of Israelis.
So you still refuse to engage with the facts in the above article, even though I helped by pointing one out to you. No, you still have to divert attention by referring to other things. That is a tactic of someone covering up what they themselves know undermines their point of view. You are part of the problem.
cityca - rights should not be allocated on the basis of ethnicity or religious background in Israel or anywhere else. Israel claims to be a democratic country and should expect such claims to come under scrutiny. Democracies have declared borders and defined populations but Israel has neither. Furthermore Israel has been controlling/occupying Gaza and the West Bank for over 2/3 of its existence (44 years) and their populations do not vote for the Knesset. I believe that Ben White is motivated by his opposition to racism. And yourself?
Following her stunning Super Bowl halftime performance, Madonna announces her world tour launch in Israel. The anti Israel BDS are crying in thier hands concentrating on how to stop this, whilst not giving a seconds thought to innocents that are being slaughtered in Syria. What was their alert this morning when 15 Syrians were slaughtered? Boycott Madonna! What a tragedy for true human rights campaigners!
Yet another diversion by writing about other countries. You give cityca a pretext for mentioning countries that are not democratic, and do not pretend otherwise. We all know they are unfair, and so there is little debate about it. I myself am vociferous in protesting the crimes of the Bahraini government.
Israel on the other hand styles itself as a western style democracy, and one which has vocal support from people such as yourself. It is only right that it should therefore be held to higher standards, and the debate is more vigorous, not because there are anti-semitic detractors, but because people like you keep trying to be apologists for everything it does.
As for England being an "ethnocracy", you are crazy. Yes, there are majority groups and minorities, but the minorities are protected, are allowed to vote and hold office, and spouses from abroad no matter what ethnicity are allowed to become fully part of the same society with all privileges. Unlike Israel which is banning Palestinian spouses from entering Israel so as to keep the voting majority of the ruling group intact. Israel has a lot to do to prove itself a proper western style democracy. I hope it does it. There are many signs of support for this in the Jewish population, just see the poll results on the link I posted above.
History has moved on since 1964. Of course Palestinians then wished to see a restoration of their homes that they had fled. They could not understand why the Jews who were arriving from abroad could not live like the Jews who had been living there for centuries under Ottoman and other rule. Why were their homes being stolen? Who can blame them? They have since shown many signs of coming round to understanding the need for a Jewish homeland (again see the poll link), and an accomodation under the UN terms is now a possibility. Stop trying to undermine this better future by portraying the situation as hopeless.
"Is Israel a democracy or an ethnocracy?"
Israelis live in a Democracy, that's more than any Brit can say.
Justin Casey, well said sir. Arse wipe and White do seem well matched.
Of course, White will have no interest in answering any of your questions - his agenda is not to find truth, but to create his own version of it, to suit his prejudices.
Speaking of which, I understand he lives or lived in Brazil. Presumably, there is insufficient social injustice in Brazil for him to spend any time fighting it there. Or perhaps there are just too few Jews.
It's remarkable how the zionazis above can reply only with a torrent of abuse to Gideon Polya - no mention of, or reply, to the numerous links he has provided.
Fantastic and insightful comments by Gideon.
Anyone who seriously believes Israel is a liberal country (democratic or otherwise) needs to be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.
Like it or not Hamas has the support of the majority of Palestinians in Gaza. The same old tired arguments were used against Arafat too!!! Time is on the side of the Palestinians. Demography dictates that the Palestinians will triumph. Is it not interesting too that 60% of Israelis hold dual citizenship. I wonder why!!!!!
So you think others should shed tears for the Syrian dead? Why should anyone listen to Israelis who have visited more bloodshed and brutality and violence on their neighbours than all their dictators and governments put together? Look at Lebanon. At Israeli crimes in Sabra al-Shatila. Tens of thousands killed under Israeli direction, and terror operations once planned by that great terrorist Shimon Peres, the doe-eyed president. Land thieves, you hold illegally land stolen from Syria in 1967 and practice racist segregation excluding the original owners the Druze. Israeli fighter-jet ‘heroes’ have strafed Syria for years. Israel captures and abducts Palestinians from Gaza and the west bank everyday. Many of them disappear for ever, many of them killed. How many thousands are held in Israel’s secret jails? It was because of two such abductions that that militant group (it was not Hamas) captured Gilad Shalit, and Israel didn’t like that, even though it was permissible under the rules of war. As for the constant chorus by Israelis of Palestinians’ desire to kill all Israelis, it’s a mirror-image of the Israeli desire to kill all Arabs. You would if you could. The Israeli press is constantly reporting some rabbi’s references to the King’s Torah which enjoins Jews to kill their enemies, even babies. You and the Arabs are of one kind; all the semitic religions have the same tendency to cultivate fanaticism, including Christianity.
When historians looked at the take up of antisemitic ideas in the 1930s, it was the lower middle classes and odd balls, like Ben White, that were most susceptible to it.
Pity that in the 21st century not much has changed.
Instead of looking at the poverty, dictatorships and mass misery amongst the 300+ million people of the region the New Statesman treats us to Ben White's constant obsessions, 8 million in Israel.
300 million vs. 8 million is a serious lack of perspective in anyone's book, particularly for the New Statesman.
Steve Mann - I want Israel to recognise the right of Palestinians to live normal lives with equality in the area formerly known as Palestine. No to privileging any one group of people on the basis of their religious or ethnic background in Israel or anywhere else.
World war three is on the horizon. Syria, China, Russia, Israel, Iran, EU crisis, breakup of the UK... We are doomed. Time to move to New Zealand I think. At least their earthquakes are not man made. Or even better move to Antartica.
What is the difference between the massacre in Homs and the massacre in Gaza?
The first was perpetrated by a dictator, and the second by a government elected by the registered citizens of Israel.
In theory it should be easier for the people of the second country to change their leaders, but the rules of obtaining citizenship are getting harder for anyone who is not in the approved group. Thus anyone who is likely to have sympathy for the plight of people in the occupied territories is unlikely to be able to influence elections.
Don't assume the support of the international community Israel. In the last vote in the UN Security Council on Israel you depended once again on the lone US veto. A worse result for Netanyahu than the vote on Syria was for Assad. Incidentally making the US perhaps realise how others feel when they use their veto. Ironic.
very interesting, two comments not allowed am I being censored?
Israel is not really a democracy in the sense accepted in Western Europe but has its own peculiar brand of democracy much in the way that Lebanon has.
I can't think of any other democracy in Europe which illegaly occupies land populated by a subjegated and hostile population whilst encouraging agressive colonisation.
It's not a matter of "bashing Israel", but of subjecting them to the same standards that would be expected of any democratic state. When regimes such as Assad's are criticised, the consensus leads to few comments, because there is little to debate. When Israel is criticised, there is a sudden rush of defensive comments which seem to say it is alright for Israel to do such things. No wonder the comments and debate go on for longer.
Ben White is an activist and writer. His latest book is "Palestinians in Israel: Segregation, Discrimination and Democracy"