Let's not pretend that Diane Abbott's comments were genuine racism
The MP was stupid to refer to "white people", but her tweet has been taken out of context.
By Samira Shackle Published 05 January 2012 12:51
Another day, another Twitterstorm - this time a "race row" involving Diane Abbott.
The Hackney MP tweeted "white people love playing "divide and rule". We should not play their game #tacticasoldascolonialism".
Conservative blogs have called for her resignation. Over at ConservativeHome, Paul Goodman writes:
Imagine how the Guardian or the BBC would react if a Conservative MP said that "black people love playing 'divide and rule' ".
They would be right to do so. Such an MP would be maligning their fellow citizens on a racist basis. This is exactly what Abbott has done.
I'm sorry, but this is disingenuous for a number of reasons.
Firstly, let's take the facts. As is standard practice in any good Twitterstorm, the comment in question has been completely divorced of its context. Abbott did not make a cup of tea, sit down at her computer, and think: "Do you know what? I think I'll malign white people now."
As the hashtag referencing colonialism shows, the comment was made in the context of a political discussion: namely, criticism of black community leaders. The use of the term "white people" here is distinguishing from "black people". She was responding to this tweet: "I find it frustrating that half the time, these leaders are out of touch with black people they purport to represent." Black people/white people.
Abbott's choice of words was clumsy , and as an MP she should be more careful. But in this discussion, she is clearly referring to "white people" as a political force in the context of colonialism, not making generalisations about the behaviour of individual white people. Her comments aren't equivalent to, for example, Lauryn Hill supposedly saying that she didn't want "white people" to buy her records.
There is no question that she shouldn't have used such a generalised term, which is highly open to misinterpretation. However, the ConHome blog goes so far as to say she has "deliberately provoked hatred of a racial group, and is therefore in breach of the 1986 Public Order Act."
Quite apart from the fact that the comment is clearly not inciting racial hatred, the hypothetical white Conservative MP referring to "black people" cannot be a direct comparison. When one racial group is so dominant, both numerically (in Britain) and politically (worldwide), pejorative language simply does not have the same power or resonance. Hence words like "honky" or "goora" (a Hindi word for "white") do not have the same brutal power as words like "nigger" or "Paki". Most of those tweeting outrage are white and will not have experienced the pain that such words and the assumptions that go with them can inflict.
Abbott's choice of wording was stupid. It has offended people, and she should apologise, particularly given her role as an elected representative. Indeed, ethnic minorities have a duty to make sure they don't fall into the same trap as the racism they are working against by making lazy generalisations about "white people". But that legislation exists not just because of the words -- "black people", "Asians", "Jews" -- but because of the centuries of oppression and huge tide of contemporary racism that those words, and the way they are used, represent. This outrage has a hint of tit-for-tat -- "we're not allowed to say these things, so why should you be allowed to?" Let's not pretend, though, that what Abbott actually said is as serious as most instances of racism we see in public life.
UPDATE: Abbott has apologised:
"I understand people have interpreted my comments as making generalisations about white people. I do not believe in doing that. I apologise for any offence caused."
She's also tweeted: "Tweet taken out of context. Refers to nature of 19th century European colonialism. Bit much to get into 140 characters."
Let's hope that is the end of that.
UPDATE 5.35pm: I debated this subject on BBC News 24 with Harry Cole earlier this afternoon. Here's the clip:
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No she's probably not racist, what she is though is standard quality current MP from all sides of the political divide. They are all mostly thick as two short planks apart from their leaders who are planning from the day they enter politics how much they will be leaving office with.
They all say and write stupid dumb remarks that would get you or me locked up, quickly apologise and say lets move on, next week it will be a Tory or LibDem and most people who read these pages will still vote for this swill.
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What's this whole "black thing" and "white thing"? When will it end? We're in 2012 for crying out loud.
The Lauryn Hill thing in this story is fake. Check Snopes
Dianne Abbott probably isn't a racist. What she said IS racist. Just replace the words "white people" with "asian people", "black people" or "jews" and no one would be claiming it wasn't racist.
She's either racist or extremely stupid to be a professional politician and not understand how remarks like that would be viewed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290047/Metropolitan-Police-crim...
Black Britain...not a nice place!
This is totally incoherent.
@Suzy
Do you find the word "kaffars" offensive?
Black people like to mug, riot then play the race card....
DONT TAKE MY COMMENT OUT OF CONTEXT ?"£!??
People say if the colors were switched this would be seen as a racist. No, white people would just deny that it was racist if a white person said it. White people already defend racists all the time.
Diane Abbott is not racist and she is merely criticizing the fact that what you guys do is racist.
Not "genuine" racism-you mean like only whites can do?
What is it? "Fun" racism, "just a joke" racism,"only black people understand" racism?
"I'm sorry but what Diane said was equivalent of me as a Scot saying that all English are evil, manipulative, cunning bastards based on what a few elite Englishman have done in the past."
No, it isn't. It's the equivalent of saying "English people love to exploit Scotland". Would you read that as referring to every individual English person? Really?
Medhi Hasan needs to go. I find his journalism bias and extremely distasteful.
Who is in charge at the New Statesman. Who do you contact. Can anybody help.
@Spencer
Why are you talking about Mr Hasan on a blog about Diana Abbotts?
Diana Abbotts is not a Muslim, but don't let this piece of information stop your anti-muslim rant.
''If they dont like Britain and the British laws and way of life then they know what to do.''
Campaign to have the laws changed????
So, for Smon Hinds, black people can say whatever rcaist comments they want to other black people.
To the imbecile pointing out the EDL - so, because it's less offensive racism (to him), we should look to the EDL and leave Diane Bigot alone. Arguably, Abbott's comment is worse racism: she is criticising people due to skin colour, not to an ideology they adhere to. So, even your silly attempt to obviate the severity of Abbott's comments fail.
I also think that Lee Jasper's defence of her shows that people like him and Abbott are not so much anti-racist, but feel that black people ought to be elevated to every position of power here due to colonialisation.
I'm sorry, that was nothing to do with me, Lee and Di.
@Cheshyre
"The average 5 year old is qualified to make the claim, as they can identify and describe physical characteristics of different races."
thanks for confirming the level of thought and intellectual rigour that's gone into your claim; that of the average 5 year old....the simple reality is that there is no further taxonomic division beyond sub-species Homo sapiens sapiens level. every time you conflate race and sub-species you are being a 5 year old ignoramus.
"not wanting their carer and lives ruined by the organised forces of Cultural Marxism."
spoken like some-one who has never ever in their entire life worked in science. this conspiracy theory is utter bollox on several levels. mainly, that there have been many 'scientific' racist claims throughout history, since debunked.
"Yes, IQ and so IQ tests, are relevant."
IQ tests prove very very little. it's pseudo-science to claim that results are meaningful. some of the most useless humans on the planet are members of Mensa, other equally useless humans have a lower score.
and then like a little terrier yet again you ask your meaningless nonsense question; "Why, in the hundred years or so since race-denial started, has no race denier been able to devise a test in which all the races (sub-species) perform equally?"
before anyone on the planet could provide an answer, i have to ask you; where is your evidence that there is a difference between human races?
well...?
This article is pure disingenuous weasel, as was Abbots all-out-of-context excuse in the first place.
"tactic as old as colonialism"
is not
"this happened in the past"
but
"this has been happening since..."
I couldn't care less what she said, but the attempts to deny the well documented facts are just what you'd expect from the sort of politician (and journalist) that we would be better off without.
"Why are you talking about Mr Hasan on a blog about Diana Abbotts?"
1.It's Abbott
2. Because this facile defence is in the name of a publication edited by Hasan,maybe...?
Christ almighty...
It's ok y'all... shes black!
Pay back time for the Tories at last!
'white people love playing "divide and rule". We should not play their game #tacticasoldascolonialism.'
'I understand people have interpreted my comments as making generalisations about white people'
This is just ludicrous, isn't it?
Welll... I'm not of a view that there is a binary distinction between racism and not racism. I'm thinking of the people who fly into a rage if you say something like "Hmm... that could be seen as a bit racist" as if you'd accused them of murdering their nearest and dearest in cold blood.
Racism is bad, the attitudes need dealing with. But not all racist acts are equal and I don't think this warranted such a storm.
The very same Diane Abbott who was once interrogated by Andrew Neil over another racial slur just a few years ago. Her defense was appalling.
This seems to be a recurring issue.
Her removal seems only fair.
The sooner we get away from referring to 'white people' and black people' the better.
Just 'people' would be good.
Not Genuine Racism? Is this Racism-Lite? Acceptable racism?
Racism is unacceptable.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-...
Whilst white people like to divide and rule ....it seems black people like to gang rape!!!
Remember Dianne's remarks about black mums going to the wall for their children, and refusing to say that white/asian mothers would do the same?
....Oh well, everybody knows white people cannot possibly be the target of racism.
"Do all Black people think like Abbot?
Is that Racist. I do think it is in context and quite apt."
that's clearly not racist, though stupid and cheap in great quantities. or do you honestly not know the answer to your own question?
Ms Abbott's got form, anyone remember the Finish nurses?
But Dianne, this is not the 19th Century, nor is this a colony, so your point is?....
Simon Hinds, without any hint of irony, labels more behaviour as specific to white people: "As an example of how clueless white people are about Diane's supposed racism, check out Daniel."
As an example of black people...See the problem, Simon?
When you start attributing characteristics to people by skin colour, it isn't good, is it?
No, you probably don't understand. Just like Abbott, Jasper, et al.
The fact that fuckwits like that have/had so much power is frightening.
Rubbish. Her attempted explanation just re-asserts the racist element of the point she was making. Or do you not believe that any non-white rulers do now, or have ever also played "divide and rule"?
It's also complete rubbish, why would she respond to someone's tweet about their current feelings with details of systematic racism in 19th century colonialism? That clearly only address the point raised if it's considered to be current.
Further more, the comment she was referring to made no mention of any such systematic racism, merely that the writer didn't feel black people were very well represented by their representatives. The only person who turned this into anything about systematic racism was Diane Abbott.
@ canonjohn
You evidently have basic comprehension problems.
saying
"White people love to divide and rule."
is categorically different from saying:
"The people who were/are in power that behave this way, tend (for the most part) to be of fair (white if you like) skin."
They are not interchangeable comments. If you can't understand why, get an English teacher to explain it to you.
"But ho-hum, middle England needed to be reminded that "Black people" aren't victims after all that Lawrence coverage."
No one forced Diane Abbott to make a daft racist comment. She did it all herself.
@ Simon Hinds
"an example of how clueless white people are about..."
There goes the bigoted twerp again with the racist generalisations.
Aaaaand .... cue Jeremy Clarkson!
@canonjon
Well... living in London and having friends from a number of nationalities and races hopefully my 'evolutionary hunger for conflict and protection from that which is identifiably "different".' is not going to burst out any time soon.
A third of the people in my office are Afro-caribbean, Asian, Arab and one Moari. I've been to their weddings, dinner parties and house warmings, not to mention after work piss-ups. So far all there have kept control over their evolutionary hunger. Maybe it's not that difficult?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question
This link may help you Jackass.
@Cheshyre
"Why, in the hundred years or so since race-denial started, has no race denier been able to devise a test in which all the races (sub-species) perform equally?"
"(sub-species)" lol
go on, give it some science pls. who are the members of the subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens? whites or blacks?
and, once you've told me that, what's the scientific name of the remaining sub-species?
or are you beginning to wish you'd never posted something so daft?
"This link may help you Jackass."
thanks Cun-ti-lips and Trout.
i had no idea you were so very sophisticated...carry on!
No surprise from the white hating New Statesmen. Diane Abbott is racist, when discussing the numerous court convictions involving the pimping of white children by Pakistani street gangs she ignored the facts and invented a white pimping gang in Newcastle that didnt even exist or had even been charged.
In the foul mind of a left wing bigot only whites are racist, everybody is a victim of the whites. If whites are murdered or abused then they dont count or change the facts and the context to suit.
Racist lefties
Cheshyre
07 January 2012 at 22:05
"As to your dismissal of the fact that scientists who do not conform to the political line on race are persecuted as "conspiracy theory", tell it to James Watson."
Watson holds some of the most insane notions on a wide range of topics. but again you highlight that you know nought about how science works. it most certainly does not work by citing the opinions of a single academic, no matter how brilliant some of their work is. it doesn't make them right by default.
so i ask you again for evidence that human intelligence scores differently between races. you do know what counts as 'evidence' in science don't you? if you do you should have no problem providing links to peer reviewed experimental data.
chop chop, or drop this nonsense.
Of course it was a "racist" comment. But as she is a negro, she is permitted to make "racist" comments. I thought everyone knew that these days?
"I will not dignify further immature comments about who stays or leaves this country with a response."
well said Dzifa.
i'll take care of that little worm of a man. it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
@A. Cole
does the A stand for Arsehole?
Diane Abbott should go back to that decadent Caribbean island she came from.
Diane clearly does not belong in a country that is 90% white.
That old Mason-Dixie Line - another American import -looms large in this blog frenzy.
Watch old Mikey Gove! Next he'll into be school-busing.
Look at the reaction to Obama in Republican and Tea Party groupie circles.
Come out fightin' you Rebs!.
Obama in two rounds!
Homebody
Simon Hinds Said:
"There goes the bigoted twerp again with the racist generalisations.
Well, OK. I’ve been very active in anti-racist organizations and activity and much of that activity, I could not have done without white people. For instance, white people in Birmingham supported black people’s campaign in the 1980s to get a black MP. Unfortunately, they are exceptional.
Could you explain what was offensive about DA’s remarks?
Am I bigoted for saying that NO UK BLACK ORGANISATION WOULD CONDEN DA FOR HER REMARKS?"
Yes, you are.
The fact that idiots like you are working in anti-racism is worrying. Very worrying.
You have asked me to explain why a hypocrite, saying that people of a skin colour act in certain ways is racist.
Okay.
Black people love doing x.
Black people love doing y.
Not really defensible, is it?
Racism is racism. Its about time we clamped down on it. This is a disgrace from an MP.
I dont beleive this was taken out of context at all, rather than a lapse of judgment and inability to hide ones true feelings and opinions.
just look at the comments Samira, how far have you missed the target?
Maybe when politicians are referring to people they should just say : " HOMOSAPIENS ".
If Abbott ever became Mayor of London, or there were a string of AfroCarribean mayors...I think London would turn into a European equivalent of Detroit.
A vast abandoned hellhole: Run by narcissistic, corrupted, race baiting, incompetent, stupid, angry ideologues with chips
on their shoulders.
She's already done this to Hackney. Be careful of this resentful arrogant politician and her minions.
Here we go again : This Black thing that White thing.
When my chldren are talking about a coloured FRIEND they very often say my Black Friend/Friends.
My coloured friends describe their white friends as White when having conversations.
This is all political Mud Slinging and should stop now.