Osborne to borrow more than Labour was projected to
Chancellor forecast to borrow £19bn more than the Brown government was expected to.
By George Eaton Published 29 November 2011 14:17
George Osborne rattled through the OBR's borrowing forecasts in his autumn statement - and with good reason. They show that, as a result of lower growth and higher unemployment, he will be forced to borrow £158bn more than forecast a year ago. Even more strikingly, Osborne is now set to borrow £19bn more than Labour was projected to (see Table 4.5 on p. 38 of the OBR's June 2010 release). With glorious irony, the national debt will now be higher under the coalition (78 per cent of GDP in 2014-15) than it would have been under Labour (74 per cent of GDP).

Labour's smart line of attack is that while Osborne is borrowing to meet the cost of unemployment, they would have borrowed to fund growth.
It's true that external factors may well have forced a Labour chancellor to borrow more than forecast but here's the question Osborne and his allies will have to answer: why aren't the bond markets panicking? They claimed that borrowing a billion more than planned would take Britain to the "brink of bankruptcy". But the fact that Osborne is set to borrow a huge £158bn more than forecast in November 2010 shows this up as the myth it always was.
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24 comments
Inbrew, more bad news for Osborne, UK manufacturing in a downwards spiral, shedding job and exporters complaining that the Government policy for exporting is a " Damp Squib"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/dec/01/uk-factory-slowdown-reces...
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=341009
Osbourne's plan is not working infact it has made matters worse; borrowing more to fund a failed economic strategy. He is a failed Chancellor blinded by right wing Thatcherite ideology. He should go asap!
Economics Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman has been busy destroying both Osborne and Cameron.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/bleeding-britain/
Agree John Henry. But I think the awful wretched coalition should go asap. They have failed on every level. That the libdems are poropping up this piss poor excuse for a government is shameful to liberalness.
If only it was a Thatcherite ideology; at least that way we could expect tax cuts.
DL
There is not much "family silver" left to sell off for Thatcherite tax cuts. Apart from the banks that is and to date they are being given away to tax avoidance experts.
'why aren't the bond markets panicking? They claimed that borrowing a billion more than planned would take Britain to the "brink of bankruptcu'
So the writers logic is that balls or labour could have borrowed more, or Osborne could have set out to borrow more and the markets would have reacted the same. hehe amusing shall we say- i think a lot of credit traders would wnjoy that one lol... hey mr eaton did u do a spell at SP circa 2003/2007, i think u must have been signing off on the subprime investments lol.
Balls was smashed up today properly a licking, even miliband had a go at him in front of evryone- admitedly i'm new to politics and i get u have to paper over the cracks, but Balls's incessant supporters here are manical, and they can't see anything-zero visibility economically and now I can see politically also. Bunch of losers and they don't get it-
It's like when Osborne pointed out that high interest rates must be a sign of success in parliament and the laughter, from their own benches haha... just to easy. lol. And they use to run defence...
They are paying the price for their scaremongering in the early days. People battened down the hatches and retreated from the high street.
What I'd like to know is where are the extra 300,000 new jobs going to come from to take up the slack of the public sector cuts?
They cant accomodate the original number never mind the new estimate.
More unemployed,bigger welfare bil,less tax receipts more borrowing and so on it goes.
Wait until their beloved bond markets wise up to them,then the fun will start.
The Tories are now adopting Keynesian economics.
More worrying are the coalition, instead of selling the country to their rich British pals, as they usually do, they are now actually selling the country to China and Dubai by asking them to fund the new infrastructure projects announced yesterday. Make no mistake, the Chinese and Arabs are investing to buy Britain, slice by slice and who is selling them the country, no other than the so called 'patriotic Tories'
What were the interest rates when the Tories took over? At about the same. Growth higher and employment lower.
And the Tories always have their whips sitting by the side prompting them to make their loud school boy screeching. It means nothing. The 'Real Tories', not the 'Liberal Tories' are totally disenchanted with Dave and Gideon.
"George Osborne's secret plan B gets under way"
Daniel Knowles, Daily Telegraph 29/11/11
Daniel Knowles, Telegraph.co.uk 29/11/11, writes;
George Osborne is about to give his pre-Budget report. Oh, except that this year, it's not called that – the Chancellor abolished the practice, because he didn't want to tie up Treasury officials and he didn't want to micromanage the economy like Gordon Brown did. How remarkable then that his low-key Autumn statement has become a classic piece of Brownite engineering, full of subsidies, tweaks and eye-catching policies. Even the most important announcement today – free nursery places for 2 year olds – is an extension of a pilot scheme that Gordon Brown introduced three years ago, when the global economy was in an equally scary place. Tim Montgomerie, the Right-wing editor of Conservative Home, is calling the Chancellor "Osbrowne" and he's not the only one to have made the connection.
Peter a straw man with a Noble Prize in Economics.
Chancellor forecast to borrow £19 billion more than the Brown government was expected to. It's refreshing to see even the prestigious New Statesman fully understands the need to cut none-productive government jobs
This is ridiculous. We are borrowing too much. We need to slash spending, taxes and borrowing immediately.
Lady J and DL are right. Essentialy what the government is borrowing off the Chinese to give 3rd World governments money to buy Helicopter gunships. Then, when the Chinese re call thier money, they will use it to fund the Chinese invasion of India. Stop borrowing now.
J Unit, it is actually worse than that. The Chinese and Dubai governments are actually going to own the enterprise zones, according to a report from the BBC and Sky. It is not borrowing. They are looking for investment from China and Dubai. Borrowing can be paid back but investment mean the final product belong to the investor.
It`s not my fault!, It`s what we inherited!, It`s labours fault!, It`s cos of the euro zone!, It would have been much worse under labour!, It`s the selfish unions fault!, It`s the weathers fault!, The royal weddings fault!, It`s what we inherited!, It`s labours fault!, It`s benefit claiments fault!, You can`t borrow your way out of debt!, It`s what the O,B,R said, They`re independent?, My name`s Gideon!, thank you, and goodnight!!.
This is an entirely systemic money created as debt problem. It is totally independent of political colours, of micro economic concerns that both Brown & Osborne choose only to manipulate, rather than the macro problem of money creation itself as debt and is thus entirely predictable. Debt HAS to increase when it is created by private banks at profit in a government backed Ponzi scheme. Building in any percentage interest and growth IS a mathematical exponential factor that REQUIRES catastrophic explosion or implosion. For were debt to decrease we would know the economy had just imploded, the money supply had shrunk that hyper inflation or its nemeses currency collapse (ATM's empty) was occurring and that food and civilian fuel supply was about to be rationed. The solution is simplicity itself: return money creation to a public utility for the people by the people positivemoney.org.uk is a good place to learn the truth on this devastating blind spot perpetrated by media, banks, governments and mainstream economic, so called professionals and schools.
I dread to think what the borrowing would have been if liebore had still been in powere - broon, the last (hopefully)of the big spenders would have sold us all out.
"With glorious irony, the national debt will now be higher under the coalition (78 per cent of GDP in 2014-15) than it would have been under Labour (74 per cent of GDP)."
You can't possibly know this. Labour would still have faced high inflation, still have faced stalling growth in the Eurozone and still have faced rising unemployment and hence higher borrowing. In other words, Labour's projected borrowing would have overshot what they expected.
I don't get it, I just don't get it. I'm far from labours biggest fan, but all these right-wingers accusing everything on labour and their mad spending is totally ridiculous:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm
That's right, before the economic crisis, Osbourne wanted to spend MORE than labour (and cut taxes too, presumably). So every hollow screech from the tories about how irresponsible labour were is meaningless and unfounded. They're just looking for excuses to their incompetence. Thankfully for them, the British public are too stupid/forgetful to remember the facts.
Before 2008 and the banking crisis, Labour borrowed £350Bn and spent it. They did not invest it but instead used it to grow the public sector to win votes. They left the UK's biggest structural deficit behind them. Now our kids have to pay it back and do not enjoy the benefits.
Please can we not rewrite history. The structural deficit was caused by Labour who, according to Alistair, have no credible plan for fixing it. May be Alistair was wrong?
Balls plan B is to increase borrowing and use the money to treat voters e.g. by reducing VAT (so that more money will leak overseas buying cheap imports) rather than reducing NI or corportation tax which would create wealth.
Milibandwagon's plan B is ... err... follow what the coalition are doing.