'quality newspaper' Needed a good laugh. Thanks for that.

@RM

'What I think Simone means is that saying words don't work anymore is a sort of *gibberish* that people use to *quell opposition*.

Gibberush
Quell opposition

This emotional language does not work. Facts please.

that people use to *quell opposition*.

Projecting motivation onto others

Why don't you quote Orwell rather than giving your opinion?

RM

"What I think Simone means is that saying words don't work anymore is a sort of gibberish that people use to quell opposition. As Orwell made clear in Nineteen Eighty-Four the removal of language with which to oppose Big Brother (Not the TV show, remember) was part of the means by which people would be prevented from committing thought crime."

Well that's rich coming from the Political Correct left. It has been the left that has consistantly tried to use gibberish to shut up opposition.

As can be seen in this thread many leftists will consistantly use personal abuse and will throw around terms like 'bigoted' and 'hate' which they, in orwellian fasion will define to mean anyone who disagrees with them. (this is rather ironic as can be seen from posts above such as p j hall's it is often the left that come accross a bigoted and hateful).

I think rm's point is that this kind of attempt to shut down discussion through emotive insults and manipulation of language has become rather transparent and is wearing a bit thin.

It's always odd to see fascists demanding 'facts' when the essence of fascism is 'thinking with the blood'. It would help if they at least had the courage of their convictions.

@Freeman

A personal attack with noo facts.

'fascism'

Used as an emotion insult but lets go further:

http://www.ellensplace.net/fascism.html

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

6. A controlled mass media

Emotive language is used by the media to make the 'right' the enemy at home and 'dictators' the enemy abroad.

Orwellian doublespeak is used in controlled mass media to distort languange and discussion for neoliberal (international capitalist) ends

@David

The only fact in your link is that Bigot originally meant

'sanctimonious hypocrite'

before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

'Doublespeak is language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words.'

has made it mean someone I [vvehemently] disagree with.

Why do you disagree?

Facts please.

The manipulation of language by the media to impose the two tenets of neoliberalism:

Mass immigration to displace and confuse the host. If you disagree you are 'racist'

Endless 'humanitarian' wars.

Thats a bit harsh. You mean they got there facts wrong, or manipulated language in order to create a stronger headline.

All media outlets do that.

'manipulated language'

...'All media outlets do that.'

But they shouldn't. Especially not in a concerted organised way.

This is called propaganda.

We are waking up.

We will fight this fascist menace. For ourselves and others.

Mediawatch have,conversely, been claiming that the population is rising by half a million a year. Obviously not true given that net migration is 239k.

Same report, different malicious lie.

Well, the Daily Mail has a long history of manipulating, or 'misinterpreting' the facts in order to pursue their anti-immigrant agenda, which fuels groups like the BNP EDL et al. They're either incredibly bad at their jobs, or there's something more sinister

Ideally, politicians and the media would report total immigration rather than net migration. After all, if you want to reduce the number of people coming into the UK, you'd look at the total number of people coming into the UK, rather than (immigrants) - (emigrants).

But since the government prefers to use the meaningless figure (made even more meaningless if, as the media occasionally reports, the number of emigrants is estimated rather than counted - making it easy to manipulate the figures to suit your preconceived notions), the media follows suit and (as usual with statistics) uses whichever figures correspond to their preconceived notions.

Another classic example is the often-repeated assumption that if x new jobs have been created over a specified period of time, and x people have migrated to the UK over the same time period, then all the new jobs have gone to migrants rather than UK workers.

They print what they think their readers want to read. If a few stats are mis-represented along the way, well I have a feeling that their readers won't be kicking up a fuss. Their readers just feel the same anger and bitterness we all feel, the difference is some people find constructive ways to channel it, some want to just blame something else. That's what the M*il is there for.

Isn't this splitting the hairs on the heads of angels dancing on a pinhead?
The Dacre Mail is of course entirely mad,but if you think half a million new immigrants a year when we already have a real unemployment rate so high is good news, you must be a very odd cove indeed.
That judgement is supported by the astonishing fascism of 'Mendacious journalism of this sort, designed to encourage the worst prejudices of the Mail's readers, does not deserve to be tolerated.'
Hmm. How about we burn some books while we're at it, my friend? Or maybe close down some social networks?
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/social-networks-suddenly-hearsay-...

To be fair, Daily Mail columnists are doing their bit to keep net migration down. Most of them don't seem to live here.

Through unfettered migration over the last ten years, vast tracts of London and other large metropolitan cities have become besieged with violent gangs crime from such diverse groups from Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan etc! The previous Labour government are directly responsible for the rising level of violent criminally from third world migrants.