The UK isn't a "safe haven", it's just stagnant
Lower borrowing costs are a reflection of economic weakness, not strength.
By George Eaton Published 03 August 2011 14:51
"The difficult decisions on the deficit have made the UK a safe haven in the recent economic storm," boasted George Osborne in his response to last week's anaemic GDP figures. Today, the Chancellor and his advisers are pointing to the fact that the cost of borrowing yesterday fell to its lowest level for over 50 years as proof of that claim. A spokesman for Osborne said:
"It's a vote of confidence, one of the key aspects of our plan has been a tight fiscal policy combined with a loose monetary policy, it's the right mix for economic growth, and the need to rebalance towards exports and away from consumption."
The yield on 10-year UK gilts has fallen to 2.76, which means far lower interest repayments on government debt, potentially saving the taxpayer billions of pounds. But is this really an unequivocally good news story, as Osborne suggests? After all, it's likely that the fall in rates has much much more to do with the fact that the Bank of England base rate is unlikely to rise until 2012, than it has with the supposed "strength" of the British economy.
Here's Paul Krugman's take:
Yields in the US have, of course, plunged rather than risen. And they've plunged for the same reason UK yields have plunged: a scarily weak economy suggests that it will be years before the central bank raises rates.
In a wonderful pay-off, he adds:
It's sad, actually: the wolf is at the door, and Osborne thinks it's the confidence fairy.
Over on his blog, Faisal Islam, Channel 4's excellent economics editor, makes the same point and highlights an important experiment by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research. The NIESR points out that one would expect a fall in rates, if the result of increased economic confidence, to correlate with a rise in the FTSE-100. But after crunching the numbers, the body found no such relationship. NIESR director Jonathan Portes concluded: "Low long-term interest rates appear to reflect economic weakness and lack of market confidence in the prospects of the UK economy, not the reverse."
Over to you, Mr Osborne.
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Going downhill and picking up speed Osborne
The Nobel laureates Luddite, Mr Danger, Indu Pendent and Robert Andersen presumably agree with Cameron's analysis. In his 2009 Conservative Party conference speech, he said, “Why is our economy broken? Not just because Labour wrongly thought they’d abolished boom and bust. But because government got too big, spent too much and doubled the national debt.” But even the IMF has concluded that 50 per cent of current budget deficits around the world are explained by collapsing tax receipts, not by ‘excessive public spending’. And much of that spending was to bail out the bankers, who have responded by plunging us into yet another crisis.
Leaked Treasury figures show that the austerity budget will result in the loss of up to 1.3 million jobs across the economy over the next five years. The job losses in the public sector will result from the 25 per cent inflation-adjusted reduction in Whitehall spending over the next five years. As Vince Cable said in February 2010, before joining the slashers, “Slashing spending now could push the economy back into recession.”
Jeremy Warner wrote in the Daily Telegraph of 3 August, “for the third time since the financial crisis began – nearly four years ago to the day – investors are beginning to price in a depression, or at the very least a Japanese-style hiatus in growth lasting years into the future, if not decades. The reverse image of improving bond yields is a plunging stock market. Bond yields are falling not as a mark of confidence in the economy, but because markets believe that the economy is likely to remain so weak that it will be years before the Bank of England is able to raise interest rates again.” …
“In fact, abnormally low bond yields are one of the key indicators of a prolonged period of impaired demand. When households won’t spend and businesses won’t invest, the consequent accumulation of surplus savings tends to flow into the only place it can – government debt. An economy without demand will quite quickly become deflationary. Yields fall accordingly.” …
“The longer that low growth persists, the more difficult it becomes to eradicate the structural deficit and the bigger the public debt mountain becomes. It’s not what the Treasury wants to hear, but the feeble growth rate of 0.2 per cent reported for the second quarter may be about the best Britain can look forward to for the next several years. We are in that “deleveraging” phase of correction that follows all serious banking crises.” …
“If the Government is serious about rebalancing, it must be bolder in its measures to boost investment. Tax incentives can be helpful, but they are not enough.
With normal market economics apparently incapable of providing answers, it may be necessary to move quickly towards applying some of the policy tools used in command economies such as China – cheap loans, land and energy for publicly determined business and infrastructure investment. Namby pambying around with market incentives simply isn’t working.
If there is to be another bout of quantitative easing, as now seems likely, some way of ensuring that it is applied to cheap business lending rather than disappearing into the pockets of bankers must be found. Extreme circumstances call for extreme solutions.”
I've never known a Chancellor like Boy Georgie. He and his mate Dave are a couple of "snake oil merchants". They are like a couple of public school "wide boys" at an Eastend Market selling tosh.
Luddite. If all you can do is constantly repeat the same piece of rhetoric then go sell crazy some place else, we are all stocked up here!
for the safe haven deniers:
GERMAN CDS trading more expensivley than UK this morning... First time EVER.
a credit default swap is an insurance contract on someone defaulting on their interest payments.
SIGNIFICANCE: well, anything might follow cos we quasi crashing. However, this is makt sying more worried about germany cos it looks like that they will have to stump up a couple of TRILLION- that is the endgame to keep euro together- strangely, no econmist or politician evr mentioned this before.
I'm staringto think that these guys only get invited back to sher their wisdom because of their title, rather than their calls on where we're heading.
I don't have a great memory, didn't Sartres have a name for those who live by their title and not their actions... that's it, he called them scum
Credit default swap spreads on the UK (purely a measure of perceived default risk) say the risk for the UK is far below that of Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Italy and Belgium. The UK is rated safer than France and only marginally riskier than Germany (the safest big economy in Europe.
Perceived risk for the UK is lower than when the coalition took office, despite the shocking deterioration of spreads for the peripheral EU economies.
So there is confidence in coalition policies and it is saving us money on the debt.
Nice photo though. I guess every New Statesman story on economics is going to be accompanied by some take on 'The Scream' by Munch until a correctly left wing government is elected.
@ matthew Fox
I'm surprised that the editors at NS have not singled you out for your contribution to the debate, namely one out of context data point and then a couple of insults at Luddite.If not for your economic contribution, surely your wit.
So what is Labour's plan for creating the favourable conditions for sustainable growth. Answers on a postcard?
Ah yes, those strong economies in Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain.
Get a grip. Perhaps the reason debt interest rates have fallen in America is they've just avoided a massive default that a week ago was only 50/50.
The large majority of the "austerity" is through slowing the rate of recruitment and controling the out of control publc sector gold plated pensions.
Labour's approach to the deficit reduction is to borrow £250Bn more than the coalition.
Many on the political-left keep apologising for Labour economic recklessness. Labour spent to save the banking sector from financial meltdown.. Or in Brown's words 'to save the world'
All Brown did was transfer massive private debt into the public domain. Adding to a already humongous public debt crisis. The real reason we are all in this financial mass is Brown, along with this reckless friends. Ed Miliband and that awful Ed Balls, spend far more money than the nations ability to create wealth.
Skooter: That's spending more money than you are earning, in a private household that leads to bankruptcy.
Matthew fox: It's wankers with Nobel prize in economics thats created this mass, but you know all about wankers.
@ Matthew Fox
you write"Gideon has lost control of the public finances, borrowing £14 Billion in June 11 when compared to £13.6 Billion in Jun 2010"
So u agree it's too much? Or not? Did you read what Luddite wrote even? If your to say soemthing think it through at least.
Or are you one of the young irreverant who 'know it all' but really have never built anything,worked for it, never known what real poverty is (best not cross me on that one pal cos I'm partly from Haiti, so your boring, pathetic cries about the mean right wingers in this country are seen by me for what they are, i.e. probably a western kid bought up never wanting for food or shelter or acces to education, never having to be afraid of police-REALLY afraid they might cut your throat or rape mum). What is your point? or you just HATE the man because of his background. Keep peddling the hate kid, see where that one gets you in life
Stephen,
Debt interest rates were low throughout the debt ceiling debacle. It was political nonsense; the markets knew there was no chance of a default.
This is plain daft analysis, even hilarious, the Greeks, Spanish and even the Italians would kill for rates like these - low rates clearly indicate confidence in the UK to pay its way - the Germans in healthy economic position also enjoy low rates .
@ Willp
agree with some of what you say, some not.
Firtsly, the point by the IMF that tax receipts responsible for 50% of the deficit. I don't rate these guys, they have made some howlers over the years, and I question their integrity. However, it's not unfair to ask could the receipts in good times have been better spent, on new tecnologies and industries that the world is buying, and also, would the opportunity cost of having created a bloated state vs having fostered and aided our already existant high tech industries not have stood us in a FAR better place than where we are now. Look at Germany.I'm not anti Keynes, just anti keynes when the money has so blatently been wasted, and the take up of debt must be judiciuously determined- unless you're a multinational with access to taxpayers bailouts, then as the small man 'having a go' you can forget it- the system is the result of 30 years of vested interest at the media, govt and banking levels- and capitalism reared it's ugly head when it came to levelling the playing field. The small firm cannot access debt capital mkts, and banks won't pass the cash on because they are bust (it's just no one wants to admit it- bit too uncomfortable that one). So unless a sov state maintains it's stable rating, and assuming that some money eventually works it's way through (at a hefty surcharge for the bank to recapitalise...er i mean allocate the risk)... then the last thing projects need is some anomalous cost of funding/fantastical IRR because our name is rubbish (and to those who simply disagree that the mkts REALLY debated on our triple AAA status, i implore that you consider the full consequence of your politically motivated discount. I labour the point/cause/effect because there seem to be a lot of theoreticians occupying leadership posts right now who don't understand how a business works, don't understand confidence, human relationships and find common sense hard to grasp. I attacked Krugman because he's of that ilk, he sees credit as something that's abundantly available , a right even-dosen't get where it comes from and does not understand what an imbalence leading to lack of confidence can do. He got a Nobel economics prize in 2008 examining global patterns of trade... did he mention anywhere the building imbalence and the crash it's going to cause? Does he accept that artificially boosted demand with excessively prolonged periods of cheap money hs led to a crisis because 1) lenders are getting nervous and are seeing better opportunities(rise of Asia as a trading block in itself-this is his chosen topic right?!?!)and 2) demand falls away when individuals are gripped by fear. Nope- he just keeps bleating on about spending more to create demand, and fiddling with general equilibrium models... At least Greenspan had to be convinced of the productivity miracle of IT. And what's frustrating is that Brown, Balls and the rest of these new armies of econumbskullists carry on with the same broken ideas, even when we're seeing the disconnect in finace going on around the world AS WE SPEAK!!!. I understand that once the ego takes control it's difficult to back down, so guess we'll have a crash.
You write"Leaked Treasury figures show that the austerity budget will result in the loss of up to 1.3 million jobs across the economy over the next five years" 5 year projections from the treasury. 5 year projections from anyone? Have we as a species become so disconnected from our instincts that we rely on 5 year projections made in massisvely turbulent times to found arguments on? perhaps we might look at what is going on around us and not discount the annecdotal so much. I mean I remember reading 20 to 30 year projectiuons by Brown not so long ago... How do ecolonists believe in their models so much they print 30 year predictions (useful for selling bonds though i.e. indebting tax payers, or more accurately our kids, so that the govt can buy votes now with e.g. grandiose £11Bn pound computer projects! There I was thinking that debts being passed on to children had been abolished a few hundred years ago. Silly me...well, maybe will lose 1.3mn jobs, maybe not, but printing money to keep people in jobs for which there is no demand is no solution. Economics, I thought, is about the science of managing the resources we dig out the ground to make into stuff to make life more comfortable- it's not about conjuring up forever positive wealth effect multipliers. Dynamical systems behave differently over time, differently with seed values. These 'economists' are nothing more than a high order of Clowns, they display no mathematical rigour or understanding- how else can they not see that the spending they so crave, the too much too fast mantra of Balls is not the best path right now because there is a measurable negative multiplier at work. People are scared, so they are paying down debt, hanging on for a rainier day(rainy days are foreign concepts to these guys), I don't like using terms like negative multiplier effects, I prefer intuitive approaches. As for the cuts in spending causing the recession...well an illegal unfunded war (the one thing did krugman see was the monstrous hole in the US balence sheet left by Iraq (more taxpayer money being funneled over to some private companies), luckily he didn't have to work anything out, just had to spot the mahhosive debt the Iraq war left in Us balence sheet, gold sold at 20 year lows, farcically managed computer project, wastage beyond credulity, perhaps this might have helped avoid a recession if the money had been spent wisely- but it wasn't. So we can cry over spilt milk or get on with recoivering as quick as possible- what we must do, though, is be careful not to follow the comedic crazies and there mad ideas of incresing debt as the workd economy risks slam dunking-true it worked in the past, but it made the bubble bigger. In chaos theory one seed value run thrugh an iteration n times takes you to infinity, another converging onto a point (these are the maths of fractals, nature etc)and it applies in econmics. What I'm saying is we're at a different point to when pump priming worked in the past, namely the bubble is massive-we should have had the crash, the usual brake, but the politicians coudn't handle that heat so they decided to expand the bubble a great deal more.
Withyou on tax cuts , and actually they will suffice. Warner is wrong in thinking normal market economics can't provide an answer because if a bank were to be functioning properly i.e. allocate capital to risk effectively then one does not need a command economy- in other words, it is precisely because normal market economics are NOT allowed to function properly that solutions are not being arrived- and what is disallowing the normal mkt economics? vested ineterests, politicians in govt and private industry, economists who can never predict a crash but are regularly used as 'evidence' that one policy or another is right. I do aggree with him on the QE- it has to circumvent the banks- they are broken, and everyon'e avoiding that one right now
I see 10 yr gilts are trading all time high yielding 2.6%. So according to mr Eaton and Krugman, it's because base rates are low??? The mkts slide 10-15% in a week, overnight moves of 5% down, Gold at all time highs, swiss franc and yen trading hugely strong because of fear, your take on this is still because base rates in UK are predicted low? Genuinely you believe this? Or is it too much for your ego to handle that Mr Osbourne has steered the UK from being the target of mkt chatter concerning it's AAA status to a place where people park their wealth in a major storm. I wonder if you might answer the question posed. Please do so remebering that we;'re a long long way from being really safe, our Gilts are RELATIVELY safe, because people have confidence that the UK is a mature, well run political and economic machine. Shall we try and maintain the image, or are we going to let political point scoring and hardwired neural pathways get in the way of common sense
The UK isn't a "safe haven" try telling that to the millions that walk thousands of miles to get here.
The truth is this country cannot afford it's bloated public sector and it's bloated pensions. whether we wish to or not, the cupboard is empty. Mr Milliband and Ed Ball's the shadow chancellor, were both advisers to Gordon Brown at the Treasury when Labour's wasteful splurge on public spending was conceived and enacted. Labour's economic credibility crumbled as fast as the nations finances. Labour does the country no favours by pretending there is an alternative to the coalitions draconian austerity measures.
In truth these draconian austerity measures don't go far enough. Painful though the cuts are for the public-sector which is officially predicted to lose 400,000 jobs over five years that will still leave the public sector bigger than in the early 2000s. It's almost impossible to convince people of the real not imagined danger, when that danger has been averted. Lets be under no illusions had this coalition not put in place a credible plan to eliminate Labour's deficit. That would of been disastrous for the pound, for Britain's international credit rating and government borrowing. We would of lost control of our economic destiny. It doesn't get more sobering than that.
Paul Krugman is s first order clown. His old school economic theories are bring and broken, but this assertion that people buy 10 year debt because the short end looks like it will stay lower.... I laughed so hard it hurt. It shows a tOTAL and COMPREHENSIVE lack of any understanding about risk, theory... but aside from all that, it shows a lack of common sense ... buying 10 year paper because the sgrt end is lower... deja vu anyone? i can't stop laughing
The Coalition's economic policy is not a gamble. Many inside the Labour party know that had they been re-elected they to would be cutting deeply. Many know in their hearts the current path cannot be abandoned. There is no plan B.
"the coalitions draconian austerity measures"
Sorry, 3.7% over 4 years is 'draconian'? Maybe if you mean Draco Malfoy.
@ Awake
You seem fast asleep.
I can't help it if Luddite is an imbecile.
Willp: You don't need to be a 'Nobel laureates' To understand Labour lost control of the public financies.
The free market isn't working because it's no longer free. stifled by big government and manipulated by big business.
You don't need a Nobel prize in economics to understand Luddite writes nonsense for the sake of it.
Gideon has lost control of the public finances, borrowing £14 Billion in June 11 when compared to £13.6 Billion in Jun 2010.