Iain Duncan-Smith A Military chap who would know how to deal with these characters and in a far more productive way then those lib Dems who have no idea,and i should like to point out are having far too much say,there is also the fact that we do not have enough prisons for them all!

frances smith raises an excellent point. Given that IDS is stripping away already meagre benefits under the flimsiest of pretexts we can expect far more people to be finding themselves in a position where they can't only not afford to adequately maintain a reasonable standard of living, but are unable to get even the absolute basics.

After going without food, shelter, or water, for a number of days, just how effective a deterrent does prison become? Is it even a deterrent at that point?

it's like, strangely, a form of government... i can't recognise..weird, like they are debating between themselves... my synapses are straining- what is this???? i cannot compute or comprehend,or recognise this- how can our government be DEBATING, surely the leader has all the answers? to everything...

jeez, that logic train- it is utterly sensational . frances, u mean it ?
it makes the Khmer rouge look like MIT. my favourite post to date. NS, you have to do a piece on this come oN?? benefits above liberty? PLEASE PLEASE, it's worthy, it's all there. How does a human sink so low? what long term processes happened- i mean, that vote is for sale for the cost of a benefit cheque?

Back to the tax on windows idea - one wonders how many windows are in this;

http://the-shard.com/shard/gallery/film/

and to rob & frances - It seems to me, cutting benefits to the point where it might otherwise seem sensible for one to get sent to prison eg every winter for free food and lodging, is surely going to generate the wrong kind of common knowledge/sentimental folklore. Ideas and stories about modern day Robin Hoods openly seeking ways to check into the proverbial strangeways hotel is the stuff of myth and legend-

But more seriously I daresay to fix things so people can apparently disappear isn't the best way to inform good governance. Cutting people off from welfare benefits would be risky all round. After all, some people might prefer living in a parallel world and then where would the taxman be?

Oh yes you can. Tough measures right at the outset can halt the slide into chaos.

It should be enough to tell council house tenants just what is in the agreement they signed and didn't ( couldn't) read. If it happens again that their son, duaghter, husband, self act criminally and are convicted they will be evicted. Use it as a deterrent rather than a punishment. If they have to think twice they will probably go straight home in future.

swatantra nandanwar = Daily Mail

iain duncan smith may be slightly more moderate on some aspects of his response to the riots, but his views on reducing benefits for those not put in prison, is not more moderate. though the way things are going, there may not turn out to be anyone in that situation.

i have finally worked out where this idea falls apart, most. if someone goes to prison they get food and lodging, and therefore don't need benefits, whereas someone not imprisoned, must continue to meet their own living costs. to withdraw benefits would then create the bizarre situation where those who were not sent to prison were punished more than those who were.

the search for sanity in the tory mind is proving fruitless! they really are all bonkers!