Sorry Robert, but you are writing a load of crap. NO more tolerating intolerance.

And Mohammed, "This development will have a very negative and profoundly regressive effect on community relations."

I'll tell you what. Blowing people up on the Tube and trying to kill people in night clubs and airports has a pretty negative effect on community relations.

@ @never was

Yes. That's an affirmative. Not a negative. Got it? Goung to stop wriggling now? Willing to accept that I have ears and live near one of the most infamous mosques in London?

And are you saying those words are not in the Quran? If not, ewhat do you say they mean - as opposed to those who say their meaning is plain?

And no, I do not hold myself out as an Islamic scholar. I do hold that I have read the book and what a lot of Islamic scholars say about it.

But one simple challeneg to you and Robert Lambert. Can you please find me an mosque in London where the Imam is willing to say openly that it is perfectly fine and acceptable to give up Islam in favour of another faith - or none? And that it's fine to be homosexual? If not, I continue to argue that Islam is institutionally extreme.

@Tim Parsons. Can you clarify what you mean by "religious majority"? In this country or do you mean the wider world?

Also, could you fill us in on some of the details of MAB's information. You and Bob have outed them as informants on the Salafis. It's only fair to let us know what kind of information they provided. They provided info on Captain Hook?

If you think that the UK has a religious majority then I would question your competance for understanding if you were getting accurate intelligence from MAB.

"the atheistic secular liberals who dominate our governing elite and major news organisations, and the religious majority who are appalled at the decadence and decline in Western society."

Tim Parsons is a swivel-eyed Puritan.

Nice to see the predictable, sinister threats of future violence from bigots like Muhammad Zubair. You never let us down.

This development will have a very negative and profoundly regressive effect on community relations. There are hundreds of active, legitimate, law-abiding, established and respected British Muslim community organisatins and service providers who will be unjustly targetted, isolated and scrutunised just because they have a more traditional and conservative leaning on a issues relating to Islamic theology. Many in the community had thought that the Prevent review would substantiate the clear fact that engagement with a spectrum of stakeholders, particulary those who have been active in pursuing a self-derived policy of 'Big Society' in their communities for over 30 years, having established social, religous, welfare and educational institutions, would be the fair and just way forward. Alas, the neo-cons will prevail in contrivng more suspicion and disunity, which ironically are the very breeding grounds that the fringe extremists revel in. Why some body like me, a non-academic and simple civil servant can understand this and the powers that be can not is beyond me.

Non-violent BNP...are you kidding me? Where do you think the vicious, racist thugs like th EDL have their roots and no doubt share membership? These Muslim organisations have years of un-tainted civic and community engagement...

Australia's Labour Prime Minister had it right recently when she openly insisted that people that wanted to introduce Sharia Law in Australia were not welcome in her country. It's time British politicians had the same courage. Whether it is by peaceful or violent methods, the result will be the same; the oppression of women, gay people and any non-believers. Everyone who is not Muslim male would automatically become second class citizens in our own country, which has happened to Christians thoughout the Islamic world.
Although Mr Lambert claims to believe in equality, he does not criticism the prohibition on non-Muslims explaining their religion to Muslims, whereas Muslims explaining their religion to non-Muslims is encouraged. When it comes to Islam, the British Left are exhibiting great hyprocrisy.

Come Lou, you and I know that is not what 'proscribe' means at all. It may have meant that in Latin once, though not, I would have thought, since Mark Antony proscribed Brutus and the other conspirators, but not in English. it means to forbid, denounce, outlaw, condemn to death. As any fule - even an academic - no.

@Haha

1. E10 5QH
2. You mean like Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"? And Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."?

Bob,

You should be more honest. You call Islamist organisations mere Muslim organisation. They aren't they are 'political Islamists'. They are pushing radical far-right political ideologies under the cloak of Saudi sponsored Islam.

You are deliberately using strawmen so you can claim the new policies are Islamophobia because you have a weak argument.

Islamist, such as the Jamaat-i-Islami and the Muslim Brotherhood have a long history of violence. Bin Laden and Khaled Sheikh Mohammed were both members of the MB. They tapped into the movements charity network.

If you can't don't understand the basic taxonomy of Islamist terrorism and political Islam then you shouldn't be lecturing people about policy.

If you want to talk to these groups fine. Conflict resolution is all about engagement, but please don't lie about these groups motivations or history. It makes you look like a fool.

I can personally testify to the value of the advice and guidance provided to the police by the MAB.It is perhaps unfortunate that Mr Clegg and his eccentric party are neither credible inside government nor outside it. There is a simple and straight forward conflict here between the atheistic secular liberals who dominate our governing elite and major news organisations, and the religious majority who are appalled at the decadence and decline in Western society.