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Video: Douglas Murray, New Statesman/Frontline Club debate

Speaking against the proposition: “This house believes whistleblowers make the world a safer place.”

Douglas Murray, author and political commentator, speaks at the New Statesman/Frontline Club debate on the motion: "This house believes whistleblowers make the world a safer place."

Speakers for the proposition were Julian Assange (watch his video here), editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks, Mehdi Hasan (watch his speech here), senior editor (politics) of the New Statesman, and Clayton Swisher, head of al-Jazeera's transparency unit.

Speakers for the opposition were: David Richmond, former director for British defence and intelligence and member of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office board, Bob Ayers, former director of the information systems and security programme at the US department of defence, and Douglas Murray.

 

 

 

The event took place on 9 April 2011 at Kensington Town Hall, London. This footage was filmed exclusively for the New Statesman. Video direction: Michael Taylor, Big Face Art.

Tags: The WikiLeaks Debate

8 comments

Julia Harris's picture

Murray is fantastic.

Paul's picture

Douglas Murray was brilliant as usual, and as someone else has pointed out, a New Statesman debate was bound to get a leftist outcome.

chris emmanuel dsouza's picture

Douglas murray stamping and owning mehdi hassan, i am thrilled..........mehndi hassan shoud be thwarted and snubbed for what he does in his spare time, v know for sure with some radical elements. This z a debate between rogue hostile theocracy and free democracy

la potenza della speranza's picture

A compelling, persuasive and eloquent case against wikileaks and in my opinion easily the least nauseating speech I've ever heard from Douglas Murray. Actually I quite enjoyed it. It doesn't in my view defeat the proposition as a whole. Plenty of valid points well made but I think the vacuum of sources of pertinent information to the public gives rise to imperfect organisations such as wikileaks to attempt to fill the void. Personally I've always been sceptical of wikileaks. Also yes Douglas we can throw out governments however we need to replace them with another that is not very different at all.

Hans Castorp's picture

Unsurprising to see Assange can't even conduct a debate properly.

Anyone who thinks he's about open debate need look no further than his childish display from about 4.30 in.

Hans Castorp's picture

God it gets worse (8.10) - Assange starts droning on loudly like a teenage demagogue.

I'm not a fan of Murray's at all but if Assange can't see what a hypocritical disgrace it is to prevent Murray from having his turn, he's even more of a fool than I thought. Take a note, you nutjob!

Ab Origine's picture

Hans Castorp,

I hope you realize how incredibly off-topic Douglas Murray got, and how he ended up resorting to personal attacks on Assange. This debate was supposed to be on whistleblowing, and Assange had every right to try and interrupt to defend himself.

Personally, I wish the moderator had done a better job on keeping the debate on topic, though I understand that it was difficult for him to keep the balance, since he was sided with the proposition.

Laura Roberts's picture

I was astonished by Douglas Murray, who I had partly gone to see for his usually intelligent comments. It became very clear that Douglas Murray actually had no argument whatsoever other than "who do you think you are" and "I'm jealous of Assange's popularity". In truth, what I witnessed was an astonishing hissy fit of jealousy and resentment that somebody was getting more attention than Douglas Murray. For those who have not watched the whole session and who weren't there, they should know that points of order from each side were allowed, and that most speakers were interrupted at some point in such a valid way, so don't rush to condemn anybody who attempted to do the same to Murray. That is the format of this debate. That he wouldn't let anybody have their point of order until Assange right at the end was even more disturbing.

What many of you didn't see was Murray's disgraceful act of hostility against the audience when he swept his hand across us all when Assange was leaving the room because of his curfew (which Murray seemed to object to for some bizarre reason), and described us as "fawning".

I had great respect for Douglas Murray before this evening, and looked forward to having my opinion challenged by him, even possibly swayed. Instead I witnessed some bizarre rant of resentment, the third failure of the evening to actually even to begin to debate the motion specifically, and a man who completely let himself down by his deeply personal jealous of Julian Assange.

On the contrary, in Assange I witnessed a rational speaker, somebody who addressed the motion head on and didn't evade it, a calm considered response and a man who despite considerable personal attacks did not stoop so low as to reciprocate.

And it is for that reason, not the "fawning" ignorance of the audience Mr Murray, that the audience erupted in applause for Julian Assange.

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