PM Netanyahus Response to the Savage Murder of the Fogel Family

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The Koran puts forward a clear, consistent image of the Jews: they are scheming, treacherous liars and the most dangerous enemies of the Muslims. This theological tenet provides a basis for Islam’s deeply-rooted anti-Semitism. Regardless of the actions of Jewish individuals today, and regardless of what policies the State of Israel follows, the Koran justifies an unrelenting form of anti-Semitism that will be extremely difficult to root out from the Muslim world.

And this is by no means confined to an “extremist” fringe. The Koranic impulse toward anti-Semitism is evident in the attacks on Jews emanating from Islamic preachers and scholars worldwide. Take, for example, “Jews as Depicted in the Qur’an,” an article posted in 2004 on the website Islam Online. The website’s founders include the prominent Islamic theologian Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who is hailed as a moderate reformist by Western Islamic apologistsThe article, written by Sheikh ‘Atiyyah Saqr, formerly of Al-Azhar University, copiously cites the Koran in depicting the Jews as a gang of corrupt, deceitful cut-throats.

The Jews, he says, “used to fabricate things and falsely ascribe them to Allah.” Supporting this, he quotes the verse condemning Jews for claiming Allah’s hand was fettered (5:64) and another asserting that some People of the Book say “we have no duty to the Gentiles” and in doing so, “speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly” (3:75). He adds a third verse in which some Jews, asked for money, scoff that “Allah, forsooth, is poor, and we are rich!” (3:181)

The Jews, continues Saqr, “love to listen to lies.” This is essentially a straight rendering of the Koran’s claim that the Jews are “men who will listen to any lie” (5:41). They also spread them: “There is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly” (3:78). They dare to distort “Divine Revelation and Allah’s Sacred Books. Allah says in this regard: ‘Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, ‘This is from Allah,’ that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby’” (2:79).

Joseph A . Luddite - don't make me laugh. Who's trying to make you laugh, you disgusting anti-semite!!!

Put your hand up any one who doesn't think that Israel is Paradise on Earth and its people the loveliest, most generous and most neighbourly on Earth!
You are all disgusting anti-Semites!!!

I am an Israeli citizen having lived there in the 1980's. My entire side of the family reside in the settlements and I am still in Israel twice a year for the Holidays.

While apartheid is a loaded term it comes closer to describing the conditions in the West Bank than anything else. Palestinians who are citizens of Israel do live better than fellow arabs in other countries. However, the same CANNOT be said for Palestinians living in either Gaza or the West Bank.

Netanyahu's plan is to permanently control the Jordan Valley as well as most of the rest of Area C. That leaves Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Jericho and Hebron as six isolated city Bantustans. By definitrion that is apartheid.

Don't bother calling me an anti-semite of self-hating Jew. My grandfather was Irgun and my family has all done IDF duty.

Milton:
Sorry, silly me! I should have said:
"you are all anti-Semites, self-hating jews or/and Islamofascists AND Nazis."
Just because we criticise Israel doesn't mean we love Islamist States.It is like saying "you dilike spiders, so you must love snakes"."you critice Israel, you must be a Nazi".
What make you write such stupid statements? I don't even think that you believe it. You are being disingenuous in order to shut down the debate and intimidate or exasperate commenters to the point when they conclude that there is no point commenting about this issue.
I'll tell you my opinion about those states when we discuss them. But after all, Israel is the civilized state, you keep telling us, it should therefore respect human rights and show the example to all these "savages".
Jedledell:
Thanks for a helpful contribution. But be prepared to be called a self-hating Jew.

Joseph A you take exception to the use of the term 'primitive savages' to those who stab to death a baby and describe the act as a 'heroic operation' tell what would describe them as - enlightened?

If it is ever reached, the current and any other artificial “peace agreement” will be illegitimate before it is ever signed because (1) all people living in Palestine regardless of religion, race, origin, etc. (hereinafter “All People of Palestine”) were never given a choice on how they want their land to be governed, and (2) all contracts signed under duress are null and void.
The biggest problem in Palestine is that the Zionist regime never offered a choice to All People of Palestine on how they want to govern their land because the Zionist regime cannot exist as a democratic entity. If there was ever any democratic process in Palestine, Zionists would have been outvoted and the Zionist regime would have never existed. That is why the Zionist regime is the occupier because it does not offer choice (i.e. democracy), but instead imposes its regime (i.e. occupies). Imagine if Russians would simply occupy a town in the U.S. where they are in significant numbers and attempt to create a Russian state there without giving the rest of the Americans living there a choice. Imagine then if they would try to institute a “peace agreement” that would attempt to legitimize their occupation. The “peace agreement” would logically and legally be illegitimate because the Americans were not given a choice.

Under all countries’ laws, any contract is null and void if it is signed under duress. The current Palestine “peace agreement” process reminds me of The Godfather movie where the mafia boss (i.e. the Zionist regime) made a guy “an offer he could not refuse” by placing a gun (i.e. Zionist conventional and nuclear arsenal) to his head and making him sign the contract. Like the mafia boss’ offer, any “peace agreement” other than the choice for All People of Palestine is a crime, and the contract is legally null and void.

The bottom line is that All People of Palestine never wanted to divide their land into artificial two states the way the occupation and this “peace agreement” attempt to divide it. From the beginning of the Zionist regime to its unavoidable end, All People of Palestine and the region never wanted the Zionist regime and they do not want it even more after all the atrocities the Zionist regime committed. I just cannot believe how the Zionist regime can be so ignorant to think that this or any other “peace agreement” that does not allow people to choose how they want to be governed will last and ensure its people’s survival. The Zionist regime fails to realize that no matter if it succeeds in muscling this “peace agreement” by unspeakable historic coercion tens of millions of moral people around the world will oppose it until it is corrected, and until justice and free choice prevail. Also, ever increasing number of Jewish people are realizing that Zionism is becoming a destructive force for them and are leading the global resistance to it.

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Joseph A
12 March 2011 at 20:42
Israeli apartheid! Israeli apartheid!! Israeli apartheid!!!

Let's talk about the Arab expulsion of the Jew. Very few Jews still live in the Arab-Muslim world, mainly in Morocco, and, to a lesser degree, in Tunisia. There are also a few thousand in Iran. The Iranian Jews aren't allowed to emigrate. Otherwise, the entire Arab and Persian world have been emptied of its Jews. We have to remember that what happened to 60 per cent of Israel's Jews is directly related to the history of the Arab nation states. When the Arab nation states were created in the Islamic Arab world, there was no longer any place for the Jews in in the Arab world.

The main Zionist claim is that they have a supreme right to some of Palestinian territory because they lived there thousands of years ago. Let’s examine the core and real nature of this claim.

Firstly, this claim is mistaken and selfish in its core concept because Zionists fail to recognize that history is a continuum and that there were other people living in majority in Palestine before the Jews and also after the Jews. Zionists simply cut history at a convenient point for them and claim ancestral ties to the land as of that convenient point.

Secondly, whatever the claim, it is beyond absurd to try to shape modern world based on thousands of years old maps. Imagine if the rest of the world would be reshaped by who was on the land thousands of years ago. It would cause horrific wars, countless refugees, and unimaginable human suffering, exactly what is happening in Palestine.

Thirdly and most disturbing, Zionist goal was to establish a Jewish state wherever possible. Palestine may have been a preference, but Palestine was not the only location that Zionists planned as their state in modern times. Another location was Argentina where Jews have been migrating for hundreds of years for the purpose of establishing a state. Also, locations in Europe were on the list and that’s why the Catholic Church was killing/expelling Jews since Roman times (read the history of the Holly Inquisition). Whatever the location, Zionist plan was to simply occupy the people living on the land even if that would mean imposing a regime worst than Nazi Germany’s from which they escaped. And Zionists would just use a different ideological coloring than the one used in Palestine in the attempt to rationalize the occupation.

In conclusion, the main claim on which the Zionist regime is built in Palestine is erroneous, selfish, and a lie. I am categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing and that many Jews are leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud.

It is perhaps unsurprising how the terrorist attack on the Fogel family has attracted such little uk media attention. There are photograps of the slaughtered children in the Jerusalem post and Haaretz. The toddlers Including the baby were stabbed repeatedly and cut into pieces by the brave resistance fighters from Hamas. Personally I think the proportionate response to this islamoNazi savagery is to flatten gaza

What about the hatred that motivates the Hamas scum to knife to death a baby? Notice - still a refusal by the islamists to condemn this savagery. They refuse to condemn it because in reality they support it.

Daniele, it's plain to see you are Anti-American, is it all Americans you hate or just the white ones, you are clearly bigoted and racist. All the worlds problems is the fault of Europeans and the yanks. That's rather a simplistic world view, but bigoted people do tend to hold simplistic views.

@ Danielle and others... look you’re not being truly objective here. Israel has been at a constant state of war since its inception. It’s been at war with Muslims and it knows only too well the consequences if you show a weak hand or let your guard down. It has a right to exist in that land as anyone else, Muslim do not have the deeds to the middle east and are not the only people to have lived and existed there. As they are the ruling majority that have expunged and eradicated those infidels who haven’t converted to Islam, no one ever mentions the rights of those people.
The rules of engagement in that part of the world are different too anywhere else...look at the vile slaughter of a Jewish family just days ago...a 4month old boy with his throat deliberately slit - pure hatred and evil. They were handing out sweets on the street to celebrate the killings...I mean, its sickness of the highest order and they celebrated in Iran too an elsewhere no doubt, why?

Because Jews and Israel are a scape goat for all the ills of the Islamic nations. Bottom line is more Muslims kill Muslims on a daily basis, its like talking about weather... but the focus always reverts back to Israel as if the wicked Islamic regimes and terror groups have come kind of moral high ground – it makes you sick.

Israel have no intentions of seeking a peace settlement. So all this talk is a complete waste of time.

The only difference between atrocities committed by the Israeli army and Hamas extremists is that of efficiency. You can kill many more babies with bombs than with one knife.The bombing of Gaza was a war crime and a cold blooded collective decision, the actions of the Hamas extremists is that of psychopathic killers.
Your friendly bigot.

The only solution for a lasting piece is absolute democratic process (that we Americans cherish so passionately) for the entire territory in question, otherwise, the peace will not last. All people who lived there without regard to religion, race, etc. should vote on how they would like their one country to be run. I favor one state solution because two states would only attempt to “legalize” Zionist occupation that will be remembered in history until it is corrected by future large scale conflicts, so no lasting peace will result.

The only issue with the fair democratic process is what to do with all manipulated Jewish people who the Zionist regime imported for decades to increase the Jewish population from around 100,000 to over 5 Million since the start of the occupation. This is obviously an attempt to unjustly manipulate any future democratic process by forcefully increasing the occupier’s population at the expense of others. Any compromise other than the absolute fair democratic process with no manipulated population will be temporary with terrible conflicts looming to correct it in the future.

The truth is that the Zionist regime will not accept any democratic process even if the manipulated Jewish population is included because it cannot exist as a democratic country as Zionists will be outvoted by all others who live there (Zionists were in an infinite minority before the occupation). The Zionist regime can only temporarily exist through the force of its arms as a one people country where only select ones can vote and where different laws apply to different people.

The world must stand up against the Zionist regime by cutting all diplomatic and economic relations with it. Many countries have already stopped all relations with the Zionist regime and others are in the process of doing the same. We Americans need to completely distance ourselves from this oppressive regime through urging our state representatives and senators to do what the rest of the world is doing.

Her views are so extreme and so mired in Jew-hatred she is either an Islamist or a neo-Nazi. A child would appreciate that the IDF never targeted children. Sadly, innocent civilians died because Hamas launched their rockets from populated civilian areas. Ham as and Islamic jihad target jewish kids. The sent their suicide bombers to blow up buses carrying kids to school between 19995-2005 killing a thousand and maiming tens of thousands. They slaughtered teenage girls at a tel aviv discotheque and then quite openly celebrated the murder of these children.
People like Daniele are so mired in their fanatical hatred of Jews that they just fail to see the distinction.

Thanks for your intervention here ,Joseph. Very appreciated in a middle of fanatical rantings against me and others.
I conclude now as there is no point carrying on posting when so many fanatics are hijacking the site. The NS should look into this.

You could well say the same of the 'bantustans' in S Africa compared to the abject poverty to be found in other parts of free Africa.

Daniele evidently believes that equating Jews with their 'Nazi tormentors', referring to Gaza as a 'concentration camp', accusing Jews of being anti-Arab racists is just normal and entirely legitimate comment. When her lies are exposed she claims this site has been 'hijacked'. How clear the totalitarian Islamist mindset is exposed!!!

Why would Zionists want to discuss any peace agreement with the Palestinians when they have overwhelming military supremacy, seemingly ultimate power, and apparently bright future? Because the future is completely opposite and Zionists know it.

1. All military powers in history with no exception ultimately came crashing down. Someone stronger always comes, and it does not take a rocket scientist to see (just look around you) this coming and not ending well for the current military power in Palestine. Forward-seeing Jewish people under the Zionist regime already started packing up and leaving for Australia, South America, and the U.S. before this occurs.

2. It is obvious that the Zionist regime survives mainly because of its external allies who so far provided it with money, weapons, political support, access to markets, etc. After countless U.N. human rights violations, killing of its allies’ citizens (search on youtube for American “Rachel Corrie” video of Zionist bulldozer crushing her to death), forging of its allies’ passports in acts of murder, etc. its former allies are increasingly turning against the Zionist regime. Who would want to be remembered in history as an accomplice in international murders and especially of their own citizens.

3. Not only that the list of remaining supporters is growing thinner, but an international coalition is formed and growing larger of countries that are cutting all economic and diplomatic relations with the Zionist regime.

4. No country ever survived a complete isolation from its neighbors. No person of the area currently under Zionist occupation can obtain any type of visa from any of the surrounding countries for any reason – a complete land lock.

5. Well attended speeches take place almost weekly at colleges and universities across the U.S. and the world condemning the Zionist regime, their remaining supporters, and companies that do any business there. These speeches are often lead by moral Jewish people, church leaders, business people, etc., in addition to traditional peace activists.

6. The West where most of the traditional supporters of the Zionist regime are located is loosing global influence. China, the Middle East, South East Asia, Russia, South America, etc. are emerging as new pockets of economic and political power where the Zionist regime has angered most of the population.

7. Not only that the West is declining, but Zionists are loosing political control in the declining West. Diversity is bringing minority groups into politics, groups that are actively opposing the Zionist regime.
In conclusion, the Zionist regime is negotiating now because its future is changing for much worse. It knows that it temporarily exists now only through the force of its arms and this will be short-lived. It knows that it is at its peak and a downturn has come. It is a mistake to negotiate with the Zionist regime at the present time. But, if you have to negotiate, do not accept anything less than a single region in question (single state) where all who live there are equal. Any other “solution” would just reward the Zionist regime at the time of its demise. If the Zionist regime wants true piece, let’s not make it dependent on Zionist political and land acquisition goals, but on democratic vote for all who live there and making everyone equal (something we Americans cherish so passionately).

The real obstacle to peace is islamofascist Islamism. Islamists break into a Jewish home and knife's a mother, a father and 3 young toddlers to death including a baby aged 1 month. How exactly can you stab to death a baby? This happened in the Israeli town of Itamar.
The neoNazis of Hamas hailed this barbarity as a 'heroic operation'. How exactly does one make peace with such primitive savages?

If jews are so clever, brought us the nuclear bomb and psychology and all that, why are they such an arse with their Israel? Puzzles me that does.

Pat Condell latest rant against islamic-fascism. YOUTUBE