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Alex Salmond lambasts Scottish MSP over rape comments

Campaign for Bill Aitken to step down grows after he suggests a gang-rape victim was a prostitute.

 

The Scottish First Minister, Alex Salmond, has criticised Bill Aitken, the Scottish Conservative MSP who suggested that a woman who was gang-raped in Glasgow might have been a prostitute.

During a live webchat on the Mumsnet forum, he said:

I deprecate Bill Aitkens' reported comments, which were rightly greeted with outrage from both general public and across the political spectrum. I don't think they really represented his views, and in fairness, he did apologise later. However, it does illustrate two dangers.

Firstly, the implicit assumptions betrayed a dreadful attitude to the serious crime of rape, which is abhorrent for any person. Secondly, the temptation of politicians to occasionally shoot first and think later. It can cause deep hurt and upset.

As for the repercussions, it seems to be the best thing is don't vote Tory.

This follows criticism from the Labour deputy leader, Johann Lamont, who said: "No woman is ever to blame for rape and we need to challenge these attitudes by turning the focus on the male perpetrators."

There is a growing Facebook group calling for Aitken to be removed from his role as convenor of the Scottish Parliament's justice committee, which helps formulate rape laws. Aitken, the shadow minister for community safety, made the comments to Glasgow's Sunday Herald.

Though Aitken has apologised "unreservedly" for his remarks, they do raise serious questions about his suitability to adjudicate over rape. His automatic position of scepticism, and his suggestion that the importance of rape is somehow diminished by the circumstances of the victim, betray exactly the kinds of attitudes that prevent many women from coming forward.

You can judge for yourself – here is a leaked excerpt of the phone interview in which Aitken made the remarks.

Sunday Herald: Wondering if I could chat to you about the – have you seen the ET today?

Bill Aitken: No.

SH: The police are looking for another Glasgow city centre rape gang. I think from our counting it is the fourth or possibly fifth sexual assault in the city centre . . .

BA: Alleged.

SH: Alleged sexual assault since Christmas. Police are saying it's fairly – you know. It was a brazen attack, it was shocking by the . . .

BA: This one does seem to be a nasty one. Where had the woman been, to that Savoy disco, was it?

SH: Can you say that again?

BA: Where had the woman been? To that suave club?

SH: I'm not sure if we know that yet, unless you've read more than I have.

BA: Well, the address is indicative.

SH: It was the Walkabout area. Renfield Street way.

BA: Renfrew Street, was it not?

SH: Renfrew Lane, off Renfield Street, yes.

BA: Aye, exactly.

SH: We're interested in the pattern, really. Testing this idea that we are returning to something we thought we might have stamped out – very brazen attacks in the city centre, lane rapes. What do you think?

BA: Well, I really think we need to know a bit more about these. They are not always as they seem to be, put it that way.

SH: How do you mean?

BA: Errr. Well. If I was a woman up a lane.

SH: Right. She was dragged off the street.

BA: From Renfrew Street.

SH: Yeah, this is the thing.

BA: Huh?

SH: She was dragged off Renfield Street, into the lane.

BA: No, she wasn't in Renfield Street, she was in Renfrew Street, was she not?

SH: Errrm. Right. I mean, what I understood – she was raped in Renfrew Lane, but she was dragged off Renfield Street. I might be wrong.

BA: She must have been dragged about half a mile then. [LAUGHS]

SH: OK. Either way. I mean there's an element of dragging, which mirrors –

BA: No hold on. I'm not taking the [INDISTINCT]. If this woman was dragged halfway through the town, then it just couldn't possibly happen. So has nobody asked her what she was doing in Renfrew Lane?

SH: Right. What do you think she was doing?

BA: Well, I think, errr, somebody should be asking her what she was doing in Renfrew Lane. Did she go there with somebody?

SH: Right. What I'm getting at is are you not concerned that there have been four, five alleged gang rapes? In the city centre? In the space of two months.

BA: Well, what is particularly noteworthy in this case is it's three Asian people they are looking for. Now, Renfrew Lane is known as a place where things happen, put it that way.

SH: What sort of things?

BA: Well, it is an area where quite a lot of the hookers take their clients. Now, that may not have happened in this case. But, you know. What was happening? Certainly we cannot have a situation where women are getting dragged off the streets up lanes and raped. Erm, but you know . . . Are the police saying it is the same outfit?

SH: No, this is the thing – they are saying this and three or four attacks we are looking at since Christmas are completely unrelated. One was Asian, one was Middle Eastern, and there was a white group. And yet they appear such . . . There was a woman who was literally dragged off Buchanan Street into a lane. Sorry, carry on, where were you?

BA: Right. Well, you always know there's a lot more to these city-centre rapes than meet the eye, of course. But this does sound concerning. So what I will be saying: there is a disturbing pattern, and while the offences may not be related it is absolutely essential that unaccompanied women take the greatest care when walking in these areas. I have little doubt that the police will eventually get a result but it is a disturbing situation nonetheless. OK?

SH: That's really helpful. Thank you.

BA: OK?

SH: No, that's great. Appreciate it.

BA: Is there anything else you're wanting? Want me to toughen it up?

SH: You were mentioning the fact it's an Asian gang but I'm not sure if it's relevant. What do you think?

BA: If youse got an Asians, then you've said you've got Middle Eastern. If they're Asians is that the same outfit? How do you tell a Middle Eastern from an Asian?

SH: Well, police are saying not.

BA: Well, they'll know what they're talking about.

29 comments

crabstix's picture

Not just misogynistic.

"How do you tell a Middle Eastern from an Asian?"

Really? They all look the same to me, defence?

He isn't fit to be a MSP

JOH N's picture

yet again the rape victim is blamed, why are the Government not asking the question why these gang rapes are so common? could it be that with comments like this idiot made, who immediately blames the woman, instead of asking why scum rapists think they have the right to commit such vile acts and questioning their behaviour, this horrific crime will become more common, even in court scum like them are made out to be the victim. sack Aitken immediately.

lamont's picture

facebook campaign to get him out:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Bill-Aitken-Must-Go-Campaign-for-a-New-Scottish-Justice-Convener/194959127189544

mjyfdzez's picture

@Holebender, try other end of stick

Thomas Boyd's picture

Bill Aitken is wrong. But voted and support him Conservative MSP for Glasgow. He is right support Mrs Thatchers Conservative government in 1980's. He does not like socialism or Labour. What saved Bill Aitken was being MSP for 12 years thank to Labour. If Labour win Govan in 2011 from the SNP. They
win 2011 Scottish election?

Chris's picture

Is this the level of thought in the MSP This man should be sacked asap he's a stupid jerk

willoyen's picture

@ georgia s: he is 'unfit for public office'? Surely he is 'made' for public office, especially as a tory. Consider a week of hysteria over: votes for (some)prisoners, deletion from the sex register after 15 years; the apoplexy over the ECHR... they dare pronounce over our injustices!we must get out! Leave the EU immediately!(daily express today) Sod the rule of law! and claim as much in expenses as you can get away with! BA is cut out for Westminster. Sadly, I thought things were better in Scotland. Wiser. More liberal, more insightful. But, then, Cameron's a Scot; to whom the idea of 'rights' makes him vomit.

E. F.'s picture

What a repulsive, ignorant man. I generally avoid facebook groups but this is one I shall certainly be joined. The case is terrifying (I plan to move to Glasgow next year), and his response -it's the 'LAUGHS' that get me - is sickening.

E. F.'s picture

'joining', obviously. Can't find an edit button?

Iba Hart's picture

"it is absolutely essential that unaccompanied women take the greatest care when walking in these areas."

Aaaargh! No it isn't! It isn't a woman's job to make sure she isn't raped! This poor woman was attacked by how many men, three? Would she have been saved by "taking care?" I say it's absolutely essential that rapists stop raping people.

Resign, Aitken, you nasty victim-blaming misogynist. And had Annabel Goldie had the guts to condemn his remarks yet?

skiptonman's picture

Mr Aitken should be removed from office asap, it`s just crazy that a man in his position is so out of touch with the reality of life on the street for working girls who for the most part are suffering at the hands of violent men and a drug laws which ignore scientific advice. Maybe he should consider meeting a few working girls who have been attacked then reconsider his career ...

eddiesenior's picture

@JOH N

I'm no expert but I don't believe many people will read Aitkens comments and then go out raping? But as I said, I'm no expert.

Colin's picture

As well as everything else, Bill Aitken's knowledge of Glasgow georgraphy is a bit crap.

Lallands Peat Worrier's picture

Some supportive for the campaign from the Scottish blogosphere...

From the Burd...

http://burdzeyeview.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/aitken-must-go-and-so-shoul...

From Bella...

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2011/02/17/bill-aitken-must-go/

And from myself...

http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.com/2011/02/aitken-out.html

AJ's picture

Even if she was a prostitute does that make it alright for her to be gang raped!

raymond392's picture

He is a Tory and you could not expect less of him to say any woman out late at night without a husband, is some sort of lesser person. The Tories always blame the victim for their own misfortunes, they blame the poor for being poor, the disabled for not coming off benefits and being able to work.

Donnacha DeLong's picture

Nice to find out he's racist as well as a misogynist. Tories never change.

Krackersdave's picture

He's a Tory - what else can you expect.

With what appears to be multiple rape gangs operating in Glasgow and the police powerless to do anything but clean up the mess is it not well past time the decent lawful people of this country were given the right to defend themselves properly?

Robert Knight's picture

Ken - just clear things up on one small point, the interviewer said Renfield Street, not Renfrew Street.

Ken's picture

You're absolutely correct - my point was that Bill Aitken seemed to think that the woman had been dragged from Renfield Street to a lane - Renfrew Lane - which he seems to believe must be off Renfrew Street and therefore quite a distance away from where she was abducted. He is wrong. Take a look at this link - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=renfield+street,+glasgow&ie=UTF8&h...

Loftytom's picture

He's an eejit.
Excellent, we're all agreed.
Assange is guilty as hell.
Send him to Sweden the f'ckin perv that he is.

p j wall's picture

should we really be shocked by these comments!especially from a TORY dinosaur!!,most of the tory establishment think the lower classes are scum and we should all be thankfull for what scraps they give us! remember thatcher calling us moaning minnies!they are back to their nasty blame mentality,it's our fault if we lose our jobs,our fault if we are victims of crime,our fault for not understanding their policies because we are to stupid!,you only have to see the look of contempt on the faces of maude,cameron,and especially gideon osborne when they are asked for a simple answer to a question!! we should all know our place and be thankfull to our masters for the next 4 years!.

Ken's picture

"If this woman was dragged halfway through the town, then it just couldn't possibly happen. So has nobody asked her what she was doing in Renfrew Lane?"

The daft bastard hadn't even looked at a map before making his nauseating remarks. Renfrew Lane cuts right through Renfield Street, which is the street from which the woman was abducted. She wasn't 'dragged halfway through the town'.

No's picture

A "Scottish MSP"? Is there another sort?

Calum Stephens's picture

this is appalling. this mincing little prick trying to squirm around, blatantly wanting to call this woman a whore.

mjyfdzez's picture

BA sounds like he has enjoyed a few trips up Renfrew Lane himself, to sample the local wares and throttle one or two of those bloody bi... erm, why are you writing this down, Officer?

mjyfdzez's picture

@ No,

"Scottish MSP" - Is there another sort?

Yes, there are Black MSPs, Asian MSPs, Muslim MSPs, etc. - obviously it is equally important to correctly label the purebred whiteys, so that precious racist resources amongst the readership are not unnecessarily wasted.

[PS: Before you ask, yes, there is such a thing as 'necessary wastage', but it only makes sense in politics]

Holebender's picture

@DoomLord. You seem to believe that black and Asian people aren't Scottish.

Unlike some nationalities, Scots generally welcome anyone who makes the conscious decision to become a Scot, regardless of ethnic background. I don't suppose you've heard of New Scots for Independence?

georgia s's picture

shocking and blatently misogynistic comments. he is not fit for public office, and certainly not for anything to do with sexual assault

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