To anyone who takes the trouble to study the Islamic primary sources, Quran, Sunnah, Shariah and Sirah, it quickly becomes very clear that Islam is a far, far greater threat to the well-being of mankind than fascism and Communism evere were.

Lou, you are a simply a waste of bandwith.

Sholto, when will you grasp the fact that the West's dislike of Islam is not based on ignorance. The more we learn about this religion of peace (sic) the more unpleasant we find it.

And the more idiots like you look for a positive side, and forget the 7/7 bombings, Madrid, Bali and 9/11 the more out of touch, the more craven, you become.

The day Saudi Arabia welcomes gay, atheist women as tourists is the day I'll believe that Islam is evolving.

@Rob

Whereas you are a fountain of knowledge and wisdom disseminating your breadth of knowledge to the masses?

I suppose a waste of bandwith is a nicer defamatory remark than racist, homphobe, antisemite, fundamentalist supporter. Shame you aren't so quick to tackle those sort of detractors.

I just posted this elsewhere regarding the demonising of Islam so I shall paste it here as well.

I do think that the misconceptions and stereotypes about Islam are fuelled by western governments and the media, - extremist, terrorist and fundamental being the most common bywords used in context with the word Islam. It tells a lie. Islam is actually a very peaceful religion.

When Islam spread widely across the West back at the times of the Crusades, the Christian church and the ruling elite started promoting negative images about Islam then too.

In more recent history, negative associations have been constantly and repetitively applied to Islam. We do not refer to anyone else's religion and culture in such denigrating ways.

"The term Islam as it is used today seems to mean one simple thing, but in fact is part fiction, part ideological label, part minimal designation of a religion called Islam . Today Islam is peculiarly traumatic news in the West. During the past few years the media have covered Islam: they have portrayed it, characterized it, analyzed it, given instant courses on it, and consequently they have made it known . But this coverage is misleadingly full, and a great deal in this energetic coverage is based on far from objective material. In many instances Islam has licensed not only patent inaccuracy, but also expressions of unrestrained ethnocentrism, cultural, and even racial hatred, deep yet paradoxically free-floating hostility"

"For the general public in America and Europe today, Islam is "news" of a particularly unpleasant sort. The media, the government, the geopolitical strategists, and although they are marginal to the culture at large - the academic experts on Islam are all in concert: Islam is a threat to Western civilization. ........What I am saying is that negative images of Islam are very much more prevalent than any others, and that such images correspond, not to what Islam "is"...but to what prominent sectors of a particular society take it to be: Those sectors have the power and the will to propagate that particular image of Islam, and this image therefore becomes more prevalent, more present, than all others"

Edward Said

I am pleased that the English are negative about Islam. That is a good and healthy attitude to hold.

However, Islam merely serves as a proxy. The bottom line is that the English do not want to be race-replaced in England by anyone, not just members of the Umma, and if they could speak freely they would deliver themselves of a similarly negative judgement of Africans and even eastern Europeans.

Can't we get this point through to leftrist self-loathers (I exclude Hassan, who is part of the race-replacement):

It is racist, immoral, anti-natural and completely unacceptable to import populations into England without the explicit consent of the England. It is also racist, immoral and deeply stupid to demonise the natural English desire for life and love of self as "racism", "xenophobia", "hate", etcetera, etcetera.

The pro race-replacement obsession of the English left is a mental illness. How can we nationalists cure you people of it?

Many of you missed the point. The point is that Islam incites violence. There are 123 verses in the Quoran that incite the killing of ALL Jews, Vhristians and non- Muslims.

All those Jihadists and Extremists are merely good Muslims. The sooner we know that the safer England is for us.

It is the duty of all muslims to follow the teaching of the Quoran, thats mean the killing of you and me. Don't I know? I am an ex-muslim. I have read the quoran more than 100 times and have read ALL the hadiths that glorify the killings, torture and robbery committed by Mohammad.

I'd say the biggest single problem for Muslims and non-Muslims would be Muhammed.

As someone more clever than me pointed out, it would be like the Church of England trying to set up Henry VIII as the moral example to follow.

Muhammed, like Henry VIII, was a political and military actor, and his beaviour, typcial for the time, wouldn't meet the basic requirements of human rights these days.

For that reason I think, the depictions of Muhammed strive now to be much more like that of Jesus, a peaceable fellow.

The problem for all of us (Muslims and non-Muslims), is that if the fundamentalists dig into his history and deeds (as recorded by his near contemporaries) we have the Muhammed of conquest, not of the Sermon on the Mount:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza#Demise_of_the_Banu_Qurayza

I can understand the attempts to move away from Muhammed the man to Muhammed the ideal - the problem is the fundamentalists have the material evidence on their side.

"Britons link Islam with extremism, says new poll"

Really? Perhaps there is a reason for that, eh? How often do you hear about Buddhists blowing up busses or Hindus kidnapping people and chopping their heads off or Christians crashing aeroplanes into buildings or Taoists issuing death threats to authors and cartoonists?

"Whereas you are a fountain of knowledge and wisdom disseminating your breadth of knowledge to the masses?"

Your words, not mine Lou.

"I disagree with you on the politcal correctedness front as far as the media is concerned, I think much of the red top press treads a fine line between reporting a story and inciting hatred. Certain elements of that press have also been known to print stories that are lies, they've been proven to be so by independent investigators."

Please offer an example of this. Do you mean Andrew Gilligan's expose of the Islamists in Tower Hamlets? Or the Channel 4 documentary showing what's really preached in Mosques?

Fair point Mark, I cannot cite an example.

I know that there are fundamentalists and terrorists and abusers of human rights within the umbrella of Islam whether that is state or individual. I condemn their actions. I do, however, believe that extremism is the exception and not the norm. There are far many more peace loving Islamists than there are extremists.

Howdy Lou,

The reality is our western governments and media are bending over backwards (or maybe forwards) to not encourage hatred of Islam and Muslims. It's called political correctness and it has already gotten people killed in the US. Malik Nadal Hasan was given the benefit of the doubt over and over and he killed 12 innocent people.
When I start reading stories about "moderate" Muslims actively fighting their terrorist brothers and expressing outrage at the killing of non muslims in Muslim majority countries I will change my firmly held opinion that all Muslims are deep down Islamists and would take my freedom in a heartbeat given the chance. I am not naive like the Kumbaya airheads - Peace and Love and dancing naked and throwing flowers at killers. I will stand for Freedom and not back down! Live free or die!