New Statesman to host Labour leadership debate
Ed Miliband, David Miliband and Ed Balls all confirmed for first debate after nominations are confir
By Samira Shackle Published 02 June 2010 12:35The New Statesman is to host a Labour leadership debate next Wednesday at a venue in central London, with Ed Miliband, David Miliband and Ed Balls all confirmed to take part.
This is a huge event that will kick-start the debate about the future of the party. It will be the first time that the candidates have a chance to debate each other after nominations have closed. Diane Abbott, Andy Burnham and John McDonnell will also appear if they secure enough votes to become candidates.
Email labour@newstatesman.co.uk to reserve free tickets, which are available on a first-come, first-served basis.
Wednesday 9th June 7pm-9pm
Assembly Hall, Church House

The event will be held in association with CND and the Electoral Reform Society.

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I'd just like there to be the date and address available in text format really.
That way I could e.g. copy and send it on to people.
This is possibly also a reason that not many people have pegged this :)
OOPS Gabby Logan is a fashion icon The BBC pay well
Gabby Logan is a sort of social climber. Its called getting on
Can we have a voice from the left please,irrespective of the leadership race
balls milliband and milliband sounds dead boring
held in association with cnd and the electoral reform. it just grates a bit after tony (our previous president who now is sorting out the middle east NOT !) took us to war and had 13 years to change the electoral system.
I did not want to go to war no i did not want to go to war no I'm sparticus (sorry wrong film)
Milliband, Milliband, and Balls?
Echo..echo...echo
I suppose at tleast the Liberals can relax, seeing how Labour is going to match them sell-out for sell-out.
Milliband, Milliband, and Balls?
Echo..echo...echo
I suppose at least the Liberals can relax, seeing how Labour is going to match them sell-out for sell-out.
The labour party has got to move on from the too pro busness filthy rich elites and be relevant to the young old poor vulnerable about to face cuts in jobs, living standards and essential services. We need diversity to be reflected for women and multi cultural and working class Urban constituents. We need MP s to vote for a change figure to carry the debate forward. The Millibands are blander than Clegg and can waffle, Balls doesnt sit easy with me, he sounds like a mercenary. Therefore it has to be Dianne Abbott can Mcconnell supporters do the decent thing and throw their weight behind Abbott as a more savvy candidate to further the debate against blandness. If Dianne Abbott gains cudos it will be as defining for the unrepresented as Caroline Lucas for the greens. Both are honest and hard working. My heroes by the way are Atlee, Nye Bevan and Benn but we have to be authentic today for the needs of C2 and DE voters and the civilised progressive majority.
I know Diane Abbott would face a hard time in the media but at least she woud face up and woulnt be ignored. I have been a doorstep interviewer and the general x section public on question time seem fairer and more reasoned than so called experts on issues that matter. We need people at the top to campaign for social affordable housing, jobs childrens services elderly services, diversity community and a fair living wage. Punctation on e mails is not my strong point. I am University politically educated though, and from a single parent poor family with a great appreciation of quality of life and the political awareness of people in the South Wales Valleys where I grew up. We need a go getter aware of the struggle who will speak up for the voiceless. Educated MP's at least get Dianne Abbott to the last three so we have adbate that doesnt resemble only Clegg Cameron Balls, Milliband, Milliband. We need direct transparent and compassionate representation of a black single Mum who represents Hackney one of the most working class and diverse boroughs used to pulling together showing community despite bad press. We have to be relevant to the needs of diverse communities on under 16K listening, caring and not patronising. MP's please vote for Dianne Abbott. Forgive her some humour on focus group led This Week andremember her House Of Commons speeches and votes. Have inclusive love dont fear voting for Dianne Abbot we would have team of abilities then anyway.
The fact is we need fewer single mums, black and white, because they are costing the State and Society a great deal. Divorce and relationships are getting a bit too casual these days. A long term relationship committment should be the norm, not the single mum.
It's almost brought me to leaving the party at the fact that we are meant to be the voice of the people, yet the people who have backed this Party through thick and thin do not have a say in who is nominated and it's left to the MPs. This is not a parliamentary issue but a party issue, let the Party speak! After reading their columns in the Guardian I have to say a Burnham, Ed Milliband or even Diane Abbot leadership would not be a bad bet.
If I lived in London I'd be there in a shot, but unfortunately I hail from Edinburgh and cannot manage to get there. I hope that debates, hosted by New Statesmen or whoever look beyond London and the South East, and beyond England, as what could be lost in this up coming storm in the party is the fact that Westminster Labour is truly a UK wide party and has to reflect all corners of the UK.
I agree with Foucault, members should remain loyal to the Party because of what the Party stands for and not just due to whoever is currently the Leader.
To be blunt, fair-weather members act like mercenaries, paid through the rhetoric and charmisma of a leader. Real Party members stay true through the dark times, when the odds are stacked against us and at that lowest ebb you'll find the most decent, sincere, hard-working and genuine people you'll ever know.
I must agree with mitch- would love it if focus was aimed at other parts of the UK rather than just London.
In association with the CND? They can't be serious!
I suppose the above cmmenter would go back to Victorian days of Hypocrisy where families stayed together deeply unhappily or send the child to Borstal or Private boarding Schools to be bulied. Or would you go back to the days of Chimney Sweeps?
My Son has been moved up a year. Both his Parents have continued education after degree level. Try and judge whether he is from a single parent family or not Swantatra or maybe think before discriminating against the determination and values of people you do not know. The Current Office of National Statistics figures show there were more people put on long term incapacity benefit in the 80s and 90s under the Cons. Would you deny the children of single parents University Education. I worked my way through University and still had time to see the likes of Tebbitt, Benn Charles Kennedy, Claire Short, and Caroline Lucas Speak in Civic community politics events, which I am sure were more open than leadership events.
The point I was making is that we have to be careful not to use 'single mum' as a badge of pride, as many single mums seem to be doing.
I commend all those mums, widows, those that escaped domestic abuse, those that through tragic circumstances had absolutely no choice but to opt for the single mum status, and who brought up their children, as well as carving out a career for themselves. It takes a lot of guts to do that single handedly.
But where was the fathers role in all this? And how deliberately did they exclude that male involvement, and how jealous were they to keep the children to themselves.
Single mum status should not be the status of choice, as many single mums assume that it should be. And in some communities we have to educate fathers from being absent fathers to take an interest in their children. Because in the end, it costs the State and society in supporting that status by one means or another.
"But where was the fathers role in all this? And how deliberately did they exclude that male involvement, and how jealous were they to keep the children to themselves"
What tripe.
To say women deliberately exclude male involvement is so sexist. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but statistically men are the ones who deliberately exclude children from their lives once separated from the mother.
It's always been easy for men to walk away from their responsibilities as fathers, much harder for a woman to sta and do the job of two people single handledy but you go ahead, recognise the poor hard done by absent father and denigrade the woman bringing up the children.
Your badge of pride comment is contemptible. All mothers merit a badge of pride, for doing a damn good job in the most difficult and stressful of circumstances whilst holding down full time jobs and running a house too.
I'm amazed to see some people hitting on single parents as though being a couple or married is somehow superior. I hate the way marriage is being promoted as some great constitution by the Tories (or may be not given their £3 a week incentive!). The fact is society has changed from the old days, marriage is rarely for richer for poorer, in sickness and health etc etc. Marriage isn't the great guarantee of stability it may have been in the past.
It's demeaning to put single parents down as lesser mortals; many are incredibly hard working and struggling to do all they can to provide for their children. Many children of a single parent upbringing are an absolute credit to the values which the Tories will have you believe only emanate out of marriage. Don't just judge single parentage by the few who use it to secure themselves welfare income, it's not representative of the many who do so well.
There's a real trait emerging at this time of cuts in spending, don't so readily condemn the many decent hard working and honest people of this country in some belief that Cameron's game of happy families is the answer; the divorce statistics will tell you another story!
oops spelling mistake -denigrate not denigrade. Apologies.
It is not a status of choice. You need to get in the real world. I am statistically above average in terms of being educated (Post Grad level like my Ex thank you - and I hate the word ex.) Be reasonable I am a single Father who is working within the binds of an outdated system to take an involved interest in my Son.
It is laws that need to change and be more balanced for shared care and awareness that we all have strengths and weaknesses with something to offer. My late Father stuck his neck out and got weekend work cover (from a shop) every single week for 15 years that I grew up to ensure he never missed a weekend day off with me and took us to cricket etc. I am doing my best to heal grow and be stronger and supportive in a sterotyping state of being that you are not helping. I dont want to get any more personal or I will lose the contact I have. Just please try not to sterotype people. I have studied a formal degree in Multi cultural Midlands Cities and Denmark and my Ex has lived volunteering to help a
Mum with ill health in working class Michigan USA. Please try to live authentically and not reactively. I am not perfect by any means but youj dont know me well enough to judge and like you said originally do only want white 40 young midled aged photogenic Oxbridge educated middle class males participating in Society? What would Clement Attlee do or Churchill with his depression? We need the best from a wide crosxs section of society to represent fair minded tolerance, equal opps, freedom from want and social justice.
Of course I want my Son to be happy and see his Mum and Dad both happy with continuity. Im not getting any more personal than that. Im not celebrating Diane Abbot because of what she is but because of who she is, she is a woman with more (authentic) Balls than the Edds etc (to be crude) I just want a morally influenced opposition not a reactive one.
Steven Preece,
Please don't think from my comment that I am having a go at single fathers, of which there are many who make every effort to maintain loving and consistent relationships with their children, I also think that a lot of single dads do equally as good a job as a single Mum.
My comments on the statistics were aimed at swatantra for making sweeping generalised statements about single mums and badges of pride.
Lies damn lies and extrapolated fallacy of statistics, ignoring the authentic diversity of people getting on with human life. I thought we had learnt from excessive Blairite targets and stats. Lets start afresh and be "mankind" woman kind "human kind" (Oxfam). Being labelled an absent or separated Father is the worst experience I could have. My Son when two nearly three said he was proud of me and wanted to be like me when he grew up. I didnt want him to be like me cos I overworked obsessed with targets, neglecting my own and my exes needs. Since my Son said those words the month the ex broke contact I have done my best to improve and grow and self manage my long term limiting health condition to be a kinder person to myself and others. In extreme competitive family law and political wars balanced truth and reconition of both sides wonderful strengths is the main casualty. We could all go back and change things but all we have is the present. Peace, OM Shanti, Love and Joy all. Lets heal bitterness and break barriers and step back knowing we want strong individuals and communities, both equally.
I dont want 3 Millibrands in opposition to Cameron/Clegg. If the above people gain an authentic intelligent progressive voice with the people they serve then great!
I like Diane Abbot's views and compassion for what she believes in, she has some excellent views. However, like it or loathe it, the big majority of this Country just don't care about the not so well to do, the forgotten and down trodden are just not number 1 on people's agenda.
Out of the current line up, I think David Milliband will be the one who will give us the best chance of winning the next election on our own merit. But we need a credible chancellor as well. Milliband would be popular with the broader electorate, we have to win back lost votes; he seems to be the one who will attract people back to Labour.
Bye thre way I have been recently diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome which fits in with New Stateman lead story! I was diagnosed after University stressful jobs and separation. I adopted coping strategies after being told was too intelligent to have special needs! It causes sensitivity (Its not true aspies cant empathise we just use it and lose it deeply differently) thefrustration of which can suffer depressing stressful days. I also lose valuable (material) things so find it hard to keep relations my social intelligence craves.From men matters
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Doesnt get much mainstream media balance.
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Since when was the last election fought on peoples agenda of Affordable social or mixed sustainable housing for example? There are reactive media driven agendas youonly had to hear the conservative MP bullying Gabby Logan for being a snob fr daring to ask how will the poor with working class parents working long hours (in a social chapter working time directive Conservatives would remove us) from be served by Big Society Free Schools. If we were all less greedy we would have moire time to participate with gender and social cultural equalities. There are no quick fixes to a legitimacy accumulation deficit crisis! Or a system being out of touch with the life world. We need more power free dialogue! Less spin and more rational debate of socially inclusive balanced 21st century future sustainable policy.
Gabby Logan on BBC five live was hardly a snob for being brought up by a Leeds United Welsh footballer around Swansea used to mixing with working class (and middle class) people in sport. Just for having the temerity to question Education policy for the poor shewas called a snob. This is loony right reactionism gone too far. Beware you New Statesmen people you have time like me now for freedom of speech try to use it constructively for the Rawlsian common good. Many working ridiculous hours on margins in caring jobs with families do not have such time. Please be considerate of all and authentic and lets not dumb down any more by excluding the many from the frame of public discourse.
@ Lou and @Steven, point taken.
Nice one Swatantra for admission I think, its easy to generalise and sterotype against "Council Estate Chavs". I heard it on my last University course and it saddened me. It wasnt what I went to University for. We do not live in a social vacuum so lets not be pretentious. The too easily called "Chav" Parents could be giving the out of touch drunk students the taxi ride home or caring for the Grandparent in their home to maintain independence and dignity in old age. There are unsung heroes dont scapegoat the weak in a supposedly left of centre journal. We all live and some us try to learn at our own pace. The other evening I walked home and found a young man with a girl on his arm attack a homeless lady "Why dont you get a job druggy." I listened to her in penance and she didnt sound a druggy to me, just a lady and you dont intentionally kick someone when their down. Lets try to listen and be more socially aware and conscious to breathe and give our environment a chance for progress to the next generation.
Libby I suppose Gabby Logan sees clothes as part of her job. And the BBC do pay well) Its license payers money. And a bit unfair.
Wow talk about suspending your disbelief! I find it deplorable that fellow “so called” Labour supporters are jumping ship before the party has begun! Look, whilst it may not be the line up we wanted, it is a line-up nonetheless with interesting capable candidates for Leadership with actual leadership qualities unlike the conlibs currently in Downing Street. Unfortunately, it will be another couple of years before diverse candidates (Women and BME) in the party feel brave enough to come forward as they have for a long term suffered from the “old boys club” bias of the party as well as Parliament. These candidates in time will come hopefully with a new guard and a new perspective. The time is coming but we are not quite there yet. To be frank, these three will be just fine in the meantime. I understand the need to have some form of change at the top resembling the Obama effect in the US, but these are interesting hard times for politics in the main media, a media which can influence the electorate at its whim – again just look at how Obama has suffered for it in the last three months with his Health Care Reform and the Oil Spill of late. I hope that when the time does come, the brave will call the Labour party to first remember its core values and dedication to the poor, destitute, low income and ordinary families, economic growth. Let those who wish to warm the seat until this time (I reckon 2015) do so. There are already those rising in the ranks so watch this space.
New Statesman to host Labour leadership debate
Who cares.
How dare Milliband, Milliband, and Balls run for the leadership and want to be Prime Minister! They left the counrty in a total mess and have not apologised!
Great to see the NS putting on an intelligent debate of the hopefuls; hope the NS is taking care of all the expenses,etc. But if Abbott, Burnham and McDonnell don't feature, then we might as well all go home.
I agree with @swatantra. The three confirmed are all clones, with Balls being slightly more palatable than the strange-strange bros Miliband.