The Insane, like children, often speak the truth.

Uninformed. Christianity is NOT the dominant religion in Belarus. It is a communist nation. Protestant and Catholic christians are persecuted and their homes and church buildings are closed. It is illegal even to join together and pray in a private house. The Orthodox Church is stuffed with former KGB plants and has been involved in gun running and all sorts of corruption.

No to the arguement.

The problem we have is the way post-WWII US has carried on in the World since, with their wealth Chicago-1920s-like bought. Before that it was respect on a face-to-face level, Lawrence of Arabia, and all that.

The economic upper hand that the US has gained as been a total disaster to the modern World since. Yanks have been as subtle as a breeze block in diplomacy, and spread crap food to every corner of the Earth, oh yes!

Dr Carey, last time i checked freedom of religion and belief were part of the make up of our values and democracy. I think that its individuals who don't believe in those principles who represent a danger to our democarcy, not people who have a different faith to yours.

In a word - NO!! What a ridiculous proposition.

By Christian, does he mean "white"??

I'm sure that in terms of sheer numbers of economic migrants - surely the type of person being discussed - the biggest numbers are from eastern Europe eg. Poland - Christian nations. Many of the countries he mentions in the interview (not quoted here) are Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, where people will probably be ASYLUM SEEKERS, a different category of people entirely

I agree with you Sullivan. it is an insult to intelligence. religion doesn't have anything to do with this.

Adam C. Sieracki, that is complete bollocks. Multiculturalism is still developing, it's got a few things to work out but it's not "doomed to failure and conflict". What about America, that's a country built on immigrants?

You imply a causal link between multiculturalism and authoritanism. By that token, more homogenous societies would never have authoritarian governments. As she says in the article - what about Nazi Germany?

Also I'm not convinced that any society can ever be made up only of one culture. that's an implauisble notion in itself.

Conflict breaks out for many reasons, not just because of multiculturalism.

What an insult to the rest of humanity AND to atheist British people to suggest that only Christians have those "certain values".It is simply an outrageous statement!
Christian values? like: love your neighbour :But if you are not a Christian, you will go to Hell for Eternit. Like tolerance :Christians have been killing each other for decades in Northern Ireland and for centuries in the whole of Britain that is, after they tried to kill as many Muslims as possible during the Crusades.Values like democracy and equality? when the Head of the Anglican Church is a Queen and the head of the Catholic church is a religious Monarch living in luxury and telling Catholics how to live their lives (and don't forget he is infallible ). No thanks, there are enough Christians here. We could do with more rational people who believe in Humanity and Humanistic values rather than some mythical god and some absurd rules of conduct. That's the kind we need.

gail esprey,

Different religious-cultural systems have different ideas about things like the role of women in society. Interreligious relationships are also a problem. Both have lead to 'honour killings', here in Canada (Muslims) and violence in the Sikh community, toward their children. It's one thing for, say, businessmen to interact in a boardroom, but another when things like gender relations are involved.

No truly multicultural DEMOCRACY has ever existed. Things break down over the basic things: marriage, children, clothing, food. While there have been plenty of monocultural authoritarian societies (Iran, Saudi Arabia), cultural-linguistic coherence is a requirement of a functional democracy. (Countries like Switzerland are both highly decentralized and much more 'monocultural' than England, or even Canada.) And citing the U.S. isn't a good example. Most of the immigrants who came over two centuries to America were Christian; right now, there is terrible friction between Anglos and Latinos--differing only linguistically.

Judeo-Christian cultures also have their bad points--there is no need to be 'culturalist'. However, Christians barely tolerate each others' denominations; sectarian fighting also occurs in Muslim societies (Shi'a, Sunni, Ahmadiyya, &c.). Much of the South Asian immigration we recieve came as a result of Sikh vs. Hindu vs. Muslim vs. Buddhist violence in that creaky democracy India, as well as Sri Lanka...sometimes spilling over into violence here (e.g., the Babbar Khalsa bombing of that Air India flight, the firebombing of a Toronto Buddhist temple by Tamils). We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that a stable, democratic multicultural society is possible.

Samira in her original post mentions that Carey's words might be 'taken out of context'. I suggest that her comment is typical of the politically correct amongst us.
Why 'take it out of context'. Leave it IN CONTEXT. Makes perfect sense that way, and is what Carey intended.

Islam4UK state that it is their aim to take over our country by force if necessary. If not by force then by having large families so that in time they will be the majority population.There is an old saying "When in Rome do as the romans do" I quite like my country as it is and if you want to come over here and abide by our rules then fine. If not then don't bother coming here in the first place.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/150185/Let-Christian-migrants-in-fir...

gordy i would suggest that your comments are typical of the anti-islamic sentiment that's becoming more and more accepted as fact

Adam C. Sieracki: you make some interesting points, but you also say:

"Different religious-cultural systems have different ideas about things like the role of women in society"

I think that point that the article is making is that you can't generalise like that across religions. The phrase "Religious-cultural" already misses the point a bit, as does the issue of gender relations.

The WEST is progressive on gender relations, but that's not because it's Christian or monolithic in religion. Women have always been oppressed, across religions and cultures, CF. Christian countries in Africa today.

Oh my dear Lord... please!! If this is British mindpower at it's best.. Kill me now...

Alyson Mably:

alyson.mably@hotmail,co.uk
09 January 2010 at 12:33

dr careys comments are not the britain that i wish to live ,i want everbody to have equality here whether they are christain or muslim,im tired of hearing about the muslim problem,muaslims have been in europe for over 500 years and it is about time the world realised that ,they didnt arrive yesturday and they have no wish to take over,this statement reminds me of christain germany a country that fought its christian neighbours and saw the jews as the problem and used them as a scrape goat,fast forward over 60 years now it is the turn of the muslims to be the problem bosnia is one example that was definetly a religous war with the orthordox priests supporting mass murder of muslim bosnian civillians,i dont want a britain like bosnia ,northern ireland ,or israel or south africa .i want a britain that values everyones right to practise their religous beliefs and i dont have a problem in living with differant coluors and religions.dr carey needs to ask himself where does intolerance and rasicism come from its from satan ,and as for immigrants form pakistan and bangaledesh these countries were once part of india and 2 million muslims chritians and hindus and sikhs fought for this country in the 2nd world war was their loyalty not good enough or their sacrifrice of any valuue just because of their religion and race ,and then there is france a nation of islam haters a country so tolerant of there frech jews that they depoted their own citzitens to the gas chambers what a disgrace france is.muslims to do wish to take over europe this is propoganda to fuel fear and hatred its seems to me that we are percived to be the present day problem like the jews of the 1930,s germany were percieved to be,what next the final solution for the muslims,that has already been tried in bosnia as fot islam it is a continuation of judisim and christianity as fot some of its laws that are considered medieval such as stoning a adulterer, look to the torah that is were these laws have been taking from and as fot the state that christianity is in thats because the majority have abandoned their teachings ,and have become lovers of themselves and this life following carnal desires money and greed have become their lord,and their hearts are empty of all spirituality,dr carey needs to look at this and stop using islam for the scrapegoat as for theissue of the headscarf this was worn by a blessed pius woman a woman of honour purity dignity and prestige an outstanding example to all qwoman the mother of isa,peace be on them both and us muslim women follow her example if it was good enough for the blessed mary it is good enough for us, and the christain nuns also cover in a similar wayand secondly isa is a major prophet in islam,he didnt play a two sentance part in the holy quran ,two chapters of our holy book are dedicated to him and his mother maryam the blessed virgin and we await his blessed return just like the christains ,as for this comment that i have stated i am from a white welsh christain family and was raised by a devout chritian mother who gave me guidance and spirituality and i converted to islam and i consider myself to be british and i find it offensive that as a muslim convert that loyalty to this country is often questioned were irish people asked about their loyalty to this country and waht about british born jews,i want to live in a britain that is fair and equal not divided by bigoted comments hatred and scrapegoating

---- I will not 'scrapegoat' anyone ever again...

Canada under Trudeau started a policy to attract new immigrants kind of evenly distributed depending on world population. So Toronto for the most part is a place were employment is based on fit for function less about race. The Conservative Christian Edmund Burke noted that morality was common all over the world, I assume much is defined by evolution and getting along for some % and psychopathic behavior in case there is a famine for a few. With Stephen Harper our new Conservative Christian psychopath behavior rewarding PM, Conservative Christians from Burma get higher priority than any one else. Although I don't see how speaking in tongues is a Canadian tradition. But if you are a Pentecostal line up at the Canadian High Commission or embassy, you will be welcome to join the war on secularism in Canada.

Gordy said ...

"Even non-militant Muslims, when they first arrive, often end up finding our freedom, morals and justice system disgusting and wanting."

Yes but they never have a problem with our benefits system

We should not discriminate but we could have a law which states that 'It is illegal for any ethos to claim to be a religion, or practice as a religion, that has compulsion or threats in any of its tenets or practises.'

Er, Public Joe, Samira says: '...my mother's family is from Pakistan...' So does that rule out the other 50% of her ethnic heritage. A quick bit of research shows that the name is an old English one, probably arriving on these shores with the Viking invasions from Norway.

Let's face it we Brits are all a racial mix and, for the record, your remark is not only racist 'tAKING OVER????...' it's ignorant. You can't judge people by their names or a single article.

Maybe your natural reading is the BNP Manifesto.

alyson:
Calm down and try to get your historical facts right before you insult other nationalities.The French Jews were deported by the GERMANS from France. Remember France was occupied by Germany at the time and the Vichy "French" government was a puppet government installed by the Germans.Of course there may have been some collaborators but many French people were shot or deported themselves for helping their Jewish neighbours. I don't think you should be talking about something you obviously know nothing about especially when you are being very offensive.
Britain of course was never invaded and never had to face the enemy, apart from Jersey where the inhabitants fell over themselves to collaborate with the new German authorities.It is easy to be brave at a distance.

dr careys comments are not the britain that i wish to live ,i want everbody to have equality here whether they are christain or muslim,im tired of hearing about the muslim problem,muaslims have been in europe for over 500 years and it is about time the world realised that ,they didnt arrive yesturday and they have no wish to take over,this statement reminds me of christain germany a country that fought its christian neighbours and saw the jews as the problem and used them as a scrape goat,fast forward over 60 years now it is the turn of the muslims to be the problem bosnia is one example that was definetly a religous war with the orthordox priests supporting mass murder of muslim bosnian civillians,i dont want a britain like bosnia ,northern ireland ,or israel or south africa .i want a britain that values everyones right to practise their religous beliefs and i dont have a problem in living with differant coluors and religions.dr carey needs to ask himself where does intolerance and rasicism come from its from satan ,and as for immigrants form pakistan and bangaledesh these countries were once part of india and 2 million muslims chritians and hindus and sikhs fought for this country in the 2nd world war was their loyalty not good enough or their sacrifrice of any valuue just because of their religion and race ,and then there is france a nation of islam haters a country so tolerant of there frech jews that they depoted their own citzitens to the gas chambers what a disgrace france is.muslims to do wish to take over europe this is propoganda to fuel fear and hatred its seems to me that we are percived to be the present day problem like the jews of the 1930,s germany were percieved to be,what next the final solution for the muslims,that has already been tried in bosnia as fot islam it is a continuation of judisim and christianity as fot some of its laws that are considered medieval such as stoning a adulterer, look to the torah that is were these laws have been taking from and as fot the state that christianity is in thats because the majority have abandoned their teachings ,and have become lovers of themselves and this life following carnal desires money and greed have become their lord,and their hearts are empty of all spirituality,dr carey needs to look at this and stop using islam for the scrapegoat as for theissue of the headscarf this was worn by a blessed pius woman a woman of honour purity dignity and prestige an outstanding example to all qwoman the mother of isa,peace be on them both and us muslim women follow her example if it was good enough for the blessed mary it is good enough for us, and the christain nuns also cover in a similar wayand secondly isa is a major prophet in islam,he didnt play a two sentance part in the holy quran ,two chapters of our holy book are dedicated to him and his mother maryam the blessed virgin and we await his blessed return just like the christains ,as for this comment that i have stated i am from a white welsh christain family and was raised by a devout chritian mother who gave me guidance and spirituality and i converted to islam and i consider myself to be british and i find it offensive that as a muslim convert that loyalty to this country is often questioned were irish people asked about their loyalty to this country and waht about british born jews,i want to live in a britain that is fair and equal not divided by bigoted comments hatred and scrapegoating

I think we should encourage more immigration from islamic countries. After all,they make an enormous contribution to our country. They are tolerant of other religions,patriotic,very understanding when it comes to women's rights homosexuality,and are keen to learn our language and adopt our ways.
P.S. I am insane