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Is Cardinal O'Brien being used as bait?

Nuance, compromise, and ambivalence don't make 'good TV'. We've chosen this binary world.

It's hard to write about Cardinal O'Brien without writing about Cardinal O'Brien, but I feel I have to try.

I can't help reaching the conclusion that this kind of confected argument, this kind of outcry, this kind of reaction, serves no-one very well. Does it serve O'Brien well? Not really. Does it serve those who attack him well? Not entirely either, and some reactions have skirted close to being as intolerant as the person they're attacking for seeing a "tyranny of tolerance". Who, then, does it serve? Those who host the discussions, I suppose. People like me, who write articles about it. But not many others.

It's difficult to avoid thinking that there is plenty of delight to be had in some quarters about comments like O'Brien's, which are akin to Sheriff Bart saying "Hey, where the white women at?" to the KKK dudes in Blazing Saddles. I can't help thinking that this might just be a tedious bit of provocation, signifying nothing at all, designed to create heat and light (mainly heat), a few clicks on a few websites and a few circular custard pie fights in comments sections underneath blogposts.

Oh, but it keeps happening. "Gay marriage, wurgh!" yells the newspaper website. "Ooh, bad views, wurgh!" yell the liberals, and all pile on. And so it perpetuates a self-serving tedious circular debate of nothingness in which no-one wins, no-one says anything remotely insightful and no-one learns anything, other than that other people can be quite annoying when they disagree with you -- and I think we all kind of knew that anyway.

I'm not saying Cardinal O'Brien, god bless him, is a troll. As far as I'm aware, he isn't. I assume he believes everything he says, and really believes that it's right. Which he's entirely entitled to do -- and his views probably represent the views of a lot of morons, bigots, idiots and fools up and down the country. I don't imagine he speaks for all Roman Catholics, believers or otherwise. I'm sure there is nothing to doubt his integrity; I wonder if he's just being used as bait.

To me, though, this seems to be the way we often tend to conduct our intellectual debate in this country. We find a bit of an outlier who has some kind of authority, flatter them that they're more significant than they really are, and tease them into saying exactly the thing that will create the most shouty polarised arguments possible. This seems to happen more often than is healthy for a genuinely fruitful debate to take place.

Have you seen that programme that stains Sunday morning television like a suspicious map-like mark on a previously pristine bedsheet? The Big Questions, it's called. I can't work out if it's a mickey take of Mitchell and Webb's Big Talk or just someone's idea of how adults really should discuss things. If it's the former, it's quite good, although rather unsubtle; if it's the latter, it's a crime against brains. I rather fear that might be what it is, though.

I THINK THIS, says person A. WELL YOU'RE WRONG, booms person B. And then they annoy each other for five minutes while Nicky Campbell referees. It's deeply unsatisfying if you've tuned in expecting anything other than a fight, and I end up turning over. There's no room for people to find common ground or work towards any compromise. It's Team A v Team B. I wonder if our deliberately adversarial parliamentary system, exemplified by the boorish lowing of backbenchers at Prime Minister's Questions, has something to do with this; if this is the example you get from the people at the very top, the cream of the country's intelligentsia, why shouldn't everyone else do the same?

But this is the way these things seem to go. If you can't talk in sufficiently argumentative, snappy soundbites, you don't get invited onto television and radio to talk about things; dare to try and speak in nuance, or admit you don't know the answer to questions, and you'll be quietly dropped. Ever wondered why people come out with daft answers on gameshows? They're chosen to be the ones who'll wildly guess at anything, rather than say they don't know. And it's relatively similar with current affairs, I'm afraid.

Back to O'Brien for a moment. I probably disagree with what he has to say. So what? I'm bound to. That's what it's all about. Who wants to listen to some relatively enlightened religious figure (of which there are many) taking the modern world on board, when you can demonise some dozy old dinosaur instead, and imagine all godsquad types are the same? I think it's the selection of these people in the first place that's the key. We get the voices we deserve. If we wanted nuance, compromise or ambivalence, we'd probably get it. But that wouldn't make what's considered 'good TV' or 'good radio', or, in this world, 'good copy'.

So, on with the binary world. It's the one we've chosen, and it's the one we're stuck with.

18 comments

BrandonHogan's picture

Personally, I think all Roman Catholics ought to enter into gay marriages. That way, there won't be any more Roman Catholics. http://www.squidoo.com/best-baby-cribs-reviews

July's picture

From the rant of Cardnial O’Brien it would appear that a terrible injustice was about to foisted onto the people of the United Kingdom. Rights were about to beabridged, people forced to comply with new ways of living, children harmed irrevocably by alien lifestyles. Unfortunately for Cardinal O’Brien, full marriage equality will not result in a grand decline of morality and a sinking of society into Caligulan levels of debauchery and luridness.

jean dubois's picture

Personally, I think all Roman Catholics ought to enter into gay marriages. That way, there won't be any more Roman Catholics.

Ian Paisley's picture

Personally, I think all Roman Catholics ought to enter into gay marriages. That way, there won't be any more Roman Catholics

James Hunter's picture

The Catholic church nuanced? Really?
"He won't eat pork! Burn him!"

Frank's picture

"his views probably represent the views of a lot of morons, bigots, idiots and fools up and down the country"

...and it's Cardinal O'Brien who's the troll? Very amusing, Mr Baxter.

James Hunter's picture

Heeeere's Frank!

...again

David's picture

I was thinking about why I bother watching The Big Questions yesterday morning, and identified the same problems with it as Steve has. It's a bit like the TV equivalent of Twitter, since it literally is a bunch of people in a room shouting at each other. And Nicky Campbell's 'chairing' of the 'debate' is tawdry at best.

However, I think it is wrong to assume that 'we' don't think that nuance or not claiming to have an answer is a bad thing: politicians and the media, however, do think this, since it is they who feel the need to set the agenda for the debate. The public have very little say. Indeed, since most people in this country do not buy a newspaper, it is outrageous that The Sun should be in apparent control of what the issues of the day are.

NickPheas's picture

While O'Brien may not be a troll, but now I am pretty sure George Carey is. Or at the very least so unworldly that he has never noticed the crowd of trolls winding him up and pointing him at people.

Nelson Jones1's picture

It wasn't TV who selected O'Brien to be leader and chief spokesman for Roman Catholicism in Scotland. It was the Pope. Presumably he had some idea what sort of man he was appointing.

Yes of course his views got more coverage than they might otherwise have done because of the extreme way in which he chose to express them. But it wasn't for his colourful views that he was invited to speak out about gay marriage. It was because he's the cardinal archbishop of Glasgow.

So I dont think O'Brien is a particularly good case study for the point you're trying to advance here. Unless of course you think the Pope is a lot more media-savvy than his track record would tend to indicate.

Sid Cumberland's picture

No doubt about it - these cardinals are master baiters ...

sam's picture

The other point, though, is that there are a lot of people on both sides who have a vested interest in this debate continuing in its present form. The Catholic church can't hate being on the front pages for once (because, let's face it, the majority of people in this country don't *really* care what Catholic doctrine says unless it happens to say something bigoted and outrageous) and there are a few single-issue equality activists on the other side who will have literally nothing to do or say when equal rights are finally achieved.

Imagine, if you will, the effect on people like O'Brien if instead of getting all het up and hot under the collar about his views and shouting "BIGOTRY!", the reaction was simply "fair enough; that's your point of view. We happen to disagree with it, and the law's going to change anyway, so I'm not sure we really care. But go on yourself."

Will Avery's picture

Agree with Nelson Jones. This "dozy old dinosaur" is the senior prelate of the Catholic Church in Scotland.

Grayforce's picture

I think O'Brien has done rather well.
He has shown us that the Tories are more open and liberal minded than we thought.Pull the other one!

MartinC's picture

"...signifying nothing at all, designed to create heat and light (mainly heat), a few clicks on a few websites and a few circular custard pie fights in comments sections underneath blogposts."

And...

"... his views probably represent the views of a lot of morons, bigots, idiots and fools up and down the country"

Deary me, custard pie baiting, moi?

Ian Paisley's picture

But the Church of Rome doesn't seem to have any problem with priest-boy relationships.

John McD's picture

"his views probably represent the views of a lot of morons, bigots, idiots and fools up and down the country"

Evidently the troll is Baxter.

Lox's picture

You're a bigot, Jean. Just like the cardinal. I'm sure you'd get on like a house on fire: I can see you stoking one another's self-righteousness.

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