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"Bitch got a dancing horse": Why Snoop Dogg isn't voting for Mitt Romney

On Obama: "He mad cool yo".

Snoop Lion at the Toronto Film Festival. Photograph: Getty Images
Snoop Lion at the Toronto Film Festival. Photograph: Getty Images

From Snoop Dogg/Snoop Lion's Instagram account, the ten reasons why he's not voting for Mitt Romney, and the ten reasons why he is voting for Barack Obama:

Update: Mr Dogg needs better nettiquette. The list was written by D'Brickashaw. Here's his original, pre-instagrammed version:

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Andrea A Johnson's picture

This is a good blog message, I will keep the post in my mind. If you can add more video and pictures can be much better. Because they help much clear understanding. :) thanks Cavalieri.

Hugh C Markey's picture

J**Ze, one rapper for Obama. Many others keep a low profile and vote Republican. It's called 'free enterprise' or in outdated slang - 'Keep your nose clean!'

White Folks

Pavlova's picture

He's not going to vote for Mitt because he doesn't own whores and he is going to vote for Obama because his wife has a fat arse.

This sexist drivel is news? Comedy? Irony? What exactly?

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

It's funny...

He's acting up the supposed dumb voters.

You dont get it because you are too literal and easily swayed by rhetoric...

Pavlova's picture

So the answer is that it's ironic sexism?

It's not sexist because I know that he knows that I know he's being sexist.

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

You think its irony because you're so smart.
He is what he is...we all know what he's made his money from
I don't agree with him just by association...
The irony is the tone and simplistic reasoning used.
That is the supposed dumb america...he will vote,
as should all dumb views in that particular country.
We cant agree with all opinions...
Sexist views equals one vote.
Far right views equals one vote.
Leftist views equals one vote.
Lack of education equals one vote.
You are smart Pav but don't think too hard
about peoples views and opinions...
You may not agree but a tongue in cheek comment is beyond criticism...
We can all see them for what theu are...
Or is your role on here to point out everybody elses flaws?
Good luck but don't forget to have your own thought on the related topic.

plain john snith's picture

One IQ point, one vote

jankaas's picture

but John, surely you'd have more voting clout if it was according to shoe size instead?

serena 's picture

Really don't get why Snoop Dogg's misogyny is always so hilarious. If Olly Murs made a public statement about how great Samantha's tits were and then took the piss out of Ed for not pimping out any prostitutes I don't think it'd be met with such applause. But then this is a funny black rapper and lolllzz don't they talk funny too! Racist and misogynistic on too many levels, hate it.

Will is's picture

I love the "too dumb to vote" idea. Even if this person was, in these commenters opinions, "too dumb" (not that I agree), should that deny them the right to vote? No. Because this is a democracy, and if you love this country so much, you should respect that. There is always going to be dumb people voting, because their problems are just as important as yours. Personally, I think you should all get off your horse and stop assuming that because someone looks different, speaks different, or goes to a different church, that they're automatically dumber than you because they're probably not.

plain john snith's picture

December 18, 2000

Too Dumb to Vote

———John Derbyshire———

One of the questions left hanging in the air during the great Florida vote-count fiasco was: When the Gore people asked for manual recounts in three of their counties, why didn't the Bush people do the same in three of theirs? Though I claim no inside knowledge, I am pretty sure I know the answer. The Bush people did not request recounts because they believed that any manual recount in any county would unearth extra Gore votes. They believed this because they believed that Republican voters do not mess up their ballot papers — not, at any rate, as often as Democrats do.

In defense of this thesis — the thesis, I mean, that this is what the Bush people believed — I offer the following piece of circumstantial evidence: the silence of the Bushies. For the Governor's people to say out loud that they believed the spoiling of ballots to be a mainly Democratic failing would be translated as: "GOP thinks Democrats are too dumb to vote." And that, in turn, would quickly be spun by the Democrats into: "GOP thinks African Americans are too dumb to vote." The Bush camp would rather be thought slow-footed than get stuck to that tar-baby. Being the Stupid Party isn't much fun, but in the minds of modern Republicans, it way beats being the Racist Party.

So much for what the Bush campaign believed to be the case. I note in passing that Gore's people seemed to believe it, too. How otherwise to explain Al Gore's November 14th offer to hand-count the whole state of Florida? Knowing the Vice President as we do, does anyone think he would have made that offer if he was in much doubt about the outcome?

But is it true, what these campaign operatives seem to believe? Is a Democratic voter more likely to spoil his ballot than a Republican? Well, a November 17th report in the New York Times about rejected ballots in Florida's Duval County is suggestive, though as always with such a fraught topic you have to read between the lines. Duval's ballot spread the names of presidential candidates over two pages. Large numbers of Democratic voters seemed to think, or to have been told, that they had to mark a candidate on every page. They therefore wound up having voted for more than one presidential candidate, thus invalidating their ballots. Says the Times:

The double-marked ballots substantially affected Mr. Gore's showing. … More than 20 per cent of the votes cast in predominantly African-American precincts were tossed out, nearly triple the majority white precincts. In two largely African-American precincts, nearly one-third of the ballots were invalidated.

What seems to have happened is that Democratic precinct workers had energetically registered, then transported to the polls, African American voters from wherever they could find them, without any regard to whether these voters had any interest in, or understanding of, the contest, or any familiarity with voting procedures. Yes, some Democrats are too dumb to vote. So are some Republicans. But people that dumb generally stay home, joining the 50 per cent of Americans who do not bother to vote. If you pressure them into the voting booth, they will bungle the process. Perhaps it is not the dumbness that is so peculiarly Democratic as the pressuring.

If we admit the concept of "too dumb to vote," the solution would be some restriction on the right to vote based on competency. There is nothing intrinsically shocking about this. Many of our constitutional rights can be exercised only after jumping through some procedural and administrative hoops. In my own state of New York, for instance, the right to own a handgun depends on your having passed through a lengthy process of inquiry into your character and habits, carried out by the local police. In the case of voting rights, however, this whole area of discussion is blocked out by the dark shadow of literacy tests.

Literacy tests for voters used to be widespread. They were used in some parts of New York State, for example, until 1970. In the Jim Crow South, however, they were much abused to prevent African Americans from voting. Literacy tests were sometimes waived altogether for illiterate whites, while a black voter might be asked to construe a page of Chaucer. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 effectively put an end to these abuses. It did not explicitly outlaw literacy tests, only made them subject to federal clearance; but the bad publicity generated by all the unfair practices drove literacy tests out of fashion.

This is a shame. The case for absolutely universal adult suffrage is not a strong one. I have always thought that the property qualification, as used in Britain until 1918, had much to be said for it. The poll tax, too — charging people to vote — seems no more unreasonable than the fee I pay for my pistol license, though the phrase "poll tax" is in the same kind of odium as "literacy test," for the same kinds of reasons. In Robert Heinlein's novel Starship Troopers, only those who had performed voluntary military service were allowed to vote — another quite defensible restriction, I think.

Given the restraints imposed by our Constitution, and the sensibilities of our age, I doubt whether any of these limits on the right to vote could be adopted in the United States of today. Still, I should like to make a modest proposal for a form of voting restriction that I believe might pass muster with the broad American public.

First let me note that as well as being too dumb to vote, you can also be too smart to vote. People of very high intelligence are especially susceptible to large abstract theories about society. They live lives, and think thoughts, that put a wide gulf between themselves and the generality of citizens. Carry out the following thought experiment. Suppose that in, say, 1920 the U.S. franchise had been limited to citizens holding a Ph.D. What would the consequences have been? Is there any doubt that we should have had a Soviet America in very short order, and that we should right now be digging ourselves out of the same pit the poor Russians find themselves in?

It seems to me, in fact, that political stupidity is a special kind of stupidity, not well correlated with other kinds. At the very highest levels of intelligence, the correlation may actually be inverse: the more brilliant you are, the dumber your politics. Albert Einstein seems to have thought well of Stalin; Hitlerism got its first mass following in the highly-selective German universities. And think — without smiling, if you can — of the barmy political programs that issued forth, with such confidence, from Jean-Paul Sartre, Bertrand Russell, Norman Mailer and other members of the mid-20th-century preposterentsia, as exposed in withering detail in Paul Johnson's book Intellectuals.

The relationship between intelligence and political orientation is a promising field of inquiry, not much studied. Up to a point, education makes you more conservative. Exit poll data shows that the 5 per cent of the electorate who did not graduate from high school went 59-39 for Al Gore on November 7th; the 24 per cent who graduated from college went 51-45 for Bush. So far, so good. Somewhere along the educational spectrum, however, this trend reverses. A friend who works at Cold Spring Harbor lab — a high-powered research center for biology and genetics — told me at the time of the 1994 mid-term sweep by Republican candidates for Congress that his fellow researchers were "all in tears" about it. Similarly, an acquaintance who teaches math at a prominent northeastern university, a keen Gore voter himself, told an e-mail forum I belong to that among his colleagues it is "damn near impossible to find anyone who doesn't puke at the prospect of a Dubya regime."

In the matter of intelligence, therefore, the American electorate follows the ancient pattern of "bottom and top against the middle." The petty gentry who were the lowest class of voters in pre-industrial England — people like Squire Western in Tom Jones — allied themselves with Crown and Church against the Whig aristocracy and merchant elites. Just so, the bottom layer of American society looks to the Clintonoid New Class elites to protect those government programs without which, both have come to believe, the poor would starve.

The New Class respond in an appropriately paternalistic fashion. Asked in the last week of October if he would be taking a pre-election break, President Clinton replied: "I'll stay here to Election Day, if I have to, to do right by the American people, because my first job is to take care of them." We are not very far removed here from the response of the late Premier Chou En-lai when a Chinese interviewer asked him whether he regretted having had no children: "All the people of China are my children." If you were to put into a corral all those citizens who see nothing wrong with such a statement, and into another corral all those who felt their bile rising at the sickening, arrogant condescension of it, you would have a near-perfect division into liberals and conservatives. To most Republicans, the occupant of the White House is an elected official temporarily in charge of one of the three branches of our government. To large numbers of Democrats, including apparently the current occupant himself, he is what the Russian Tsar used to be styled: "Little Father of the Peoples."

We thus have a voter-intelligence problem at both ends of the bell curve. Millions of citizens are too stupid to vote; some millions of others are too full of credentialled arrogance to be trusted with any political power at all. The solution seems plain: IQ-test everyone who registers to vote, then remove both tails of the bell curve from the electoral rolls. Those too dimwitted to cope with a multi-page ballot ought not have the vote: neither ought those who, feeling that their armful of academic credentials is sufficient proof of their moral superiority, believe they have a license to organize the lives of the rest of us.

Taking out both tails neutralizes the race issue, since for every minority over-represented at one end of the distribution there is a majority, or a different minority, over-represented at the other. See how neat this is?

If we chopped off at two standard deviations from the mean, we should have disenfranchised four per cent of the adult population — about eight million people. If that seems too many, we could take the cutoff points to three standard deviations in each direction, depriving only 0.2 per cent of the electorate — the borderline retarded and the intellectual superstars, about 400,000 souls. Assuming that these far-out extremes of the IQ distribution all voted Democrat, that would be enough to have reversed Al Gore's margin in the November 7th popular vote. See? The Stupid Party we may be, but I see no reason why our electoral successes should be at the mercy of stupid voters.

John Cheese's picture

If he's "evolved" enough to appreciate the US electing a black president, then he's "evolved" enough to understand when we fire him...

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

John Cheese craps where he eats
is that evolved?
John Cheese is a racist
is that evolved?
John Cheese thinks he's smart
is that evolved?
John Cheese has no time for the needy
is that evolved?
John Cheese spouts americanisms
is that evolved?
John Cheese needs an education
is that evolved?
John Cheese lacks empathy for his fellow human
is that evolved?
John Cheese is a misanthrope and proud
is that evolved?

John Cheese's picture

michelle, is that you? Don't worry, you'll do fine in Hawaii, just think about the relaxing sun & surf, lulling you to nap on your oceanside patio, after your large tuna salad & mango...

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

John Cheese is a fantasist
is that evolved?
John Cheese imagines his half brained responses attract serious attention
is that evolved?
John Cheese insists on having a pretty lame last word
is that evolved?

John Cheese's picture

Rappa-licious, bee-otch!

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

Are you 15?
You really don't seem to grasp humour...
is that evolved?

bill23's picture

John Cheese must be having a bad day. Snoop is super smart, and can spit some bars!

Wavy Davey in t' Gravy's picture

Also could you clarify what you mean with the 'evolved' comment? Without clarification that could be taken as the worst kind of racism-in that you seem to be suggesting that somehow some people are less evolved than others.

John Cheese's picture

Every human has the ability to micro-evolve...that do it for ya?

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

Does every human have the ability to agree with your nonsense?
It doesn't happen on here...
You just come across as an angry teenager..with no real ability to process
a differing opinion
is that evolved?

John Cheese's picture

And you agree with a misogynstic pimp.... take that evolution and smoke on it for awhile homey...

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

Hmmm...You still need to work on your closimg argument.

I think you've been rumbled.

John Cheese = Angry racist teenager.

John Cheese's picture

Because you say so??? Please. Kind of funny you get puffed up by commenting anonymously. Not much going on? :-O

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

Anon..?
And who's puffed up?
You seem rattled bee-atch...
You need to filter your thoughts before you type them.
Also where has your smart retort gone?
Your crazy last words made my day...keep em coming bra!
You don't understand world politics,
is that evolved?
You haven't reached manhood yet,
is that evolved?
You get miffed with a difference of opinion,
is that evolved?
I fart in your general direction...you son of a silly person!

John Cheese's picture

Simmer down na... you are one funny (copy) cat (or bitch, since you lubs da bro Snoop Dog)...

Terry Chillean (miners)'s picture

There it is...like pure ambrosia!

Awesome...a truly awful response.

So bad it's good...keep em coming. Yum yum!

John Cheese's picture

ya mon, fer shizzle...

Wavy Davey in t' Gravy's picture

Not really. Are you confusing evolution with socialisation?

John Cheese's picture

Do we really need to blather on about the statement "bitch got a horse"????

Goliath's picture

stay classy, racist

John Cheese's picture

don't you need to go smoke some weed?

Quiz's picture

Snoop has an IQ of 138 homie, ignorance doesn't suit anyone I'd suggest you shed yours.

John Cheese's picture

Mail him a thesaurus...he's an evil 1%'er too- Ha!

Wavy Davey in t' Gravy's picture

I and, I reckon, most people are under no illusion about politicians. Obama is as beholden to the corporations as just about any other politician. However, Romney represents the kind of men who run those corporations. They think they know how to run the country. They don't. They know how to take what they want from a country without care for the consequences but they don't have the nous to take care of the populace and look after what matters. Following that, as Obama at least goes some way to meeting the needs of the populace (policies on healthcare etc.) it would be madness to cheer his defeat at the hands of someone like Romney. Who, let's face it is an Ayn Rand adherent and dismisses the majority of the US population as subhuman scum to be used to further his self serving ends. Voting Romney in would be a bigger mistake than Bush, mark my words.

John Cheese's picture

@ wavey: If you enjoy residing in the far extreme politcal spectrum, then I ask: why not entertain yourself by sniffing out both sides of the radicalism you accuse? There is plenty there, double your fun...

Wavy Davey in t' Gravy's picture

In what possible way do any of my comments suggest I'm 'residing' in the extremities of politics? Romney is an adherent of Ayn Rand whose ideas were the basis of a (literal) cult of selfishness (cf. Alan Greenspan's relationship with her). She was an emotionally damaged and controlling woman; effectively a sociopath. If you are mistaking my comment on the fact that someone who is making a bid to be the leader of the most powerful country on earth is enthralled by these ideas as a bit worrying with an admission that I hold similar views myself then you are saddly mistaken and couldn't be further from the truth. If you're trying to get me to understand the evils of Stalinist communism- I get it. What you need to get (if you don't already) is that Romney and his ilk are the flip side of that coin. Progress has been proven to lie in the centre.

SBLondon's picture

I like number nine on why I'm not voting for Romney: he reminds me of every boss I ever hated.

Jacob Price's picture

Snoop didn't make this list. Came from @DragonflyJonez on Twitter.

Maeby Bluth's picture

For the last time, people: @DragonflyJonez wrote this list! Not Snoop, not Katt Williams, not a million other fakes! Follow him, you won't regret it...

Worn Out's picture

One again, thank you all for reaffirming my prejudices against New Statesman readers. :)

Celeriac's picture

Yeah, we've got the measure of you, good style.

Worn Out's picture

srs bsns

Wavy Davey in t' Gravy's picture

Thanks for showing us that you haven't the sense to see the likes of Romney for what they are and that you're proud of being a bigot. What wonderful qualities to display to the world. Now, go away and think about what you've done. Look in the mirror if you like, when the penny finally drops the look on your face will be worth seeing.

Worn Out's picture

THAT'S RACIST!

Surprised you haven't used the whole discredited 1%/99% bollocks yet.

Wavy Davey in t' Gravy's picture

Are getting Smithers to type this for you Mr Burns?

Daniel C. Thompson's picture

Neat handwriting.

Dabrowski1944's picture

WORN OUT: Get a sense of humor, yo.

Celeriac's picture

Worn Out, you're just the sort of guy who, if you had to call snoop a 'Obamatard' to his face, would shit his pants.

Worn Out's picture

I wouldn't though, cos it's the other guy's work. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! ;)

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