Andrew Mitchell denies calling police "fucking plebs"
Chief whip reportedly launched into a class-based rant against officers.
By George Eaton Published 21 September 2012 8:23
It seems that chief whip Andrew Mitchell, the man charged with keeping recalcitrant backbenchers in check, has his own behavioural problems to address. After police prevented him from leaving the main Downing Street gate on his bike on Wednesday, the cabinet minister reportedly launched into a class-based rant against the officers. According to today's Sun, he demanded: "Open this gate, I’m the Chief Whip. I’m telling you — I’m the Chief Whip and I’m coming through these gates." When officers refused to do so, he allegedly responded:
Best you learn your fucking place. You don’t run this fucking government.
You’re fucking plebs.
It's the alleged use of the pejorative "plebs", denoting those of a lower order, that is toxic for Mitchell. Like Mitt Romney's attack on "the 47%", it's brilliantly designed to confirm the view that this is a government of the wealthy for the wealthy.
For the record, Mitchell, a former merchant banker, was educated at the private Rugby School (where, as a feared prefect, he acquired the nickname "Thrasher") and is reportedly worth £2.2m, owning several properties including a house in the French ski resort of Val d'Isere.
Mitchell has already apologised for the altercation, although he denied using the language ascribed to him by the Sun. In a statement he said: "On Wednesday night I attempted to leave Downing Street via the main gate, something I have been allowed to do many times before.
"I was told that I was not allowed to leave that way. While I do not accept that I used any of the words that have been reported, I accept I did not treat the police with the respect they deserve.
"I have seen the supervising sergeant and apologised, and will also apologise to the police officer involved."
Number 10 is aware of the incident and has accepted Mitchell's apology. "The prime minister believes the police should always be treated with respect," a spokeswoman said.
Quite. And one suspects that it will take more than an apology from Mitchell to erase the damage.
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If the police want respect they should show some to the public. This attitude of guilty until proved innocent has to stop. They should understand their place in society and not extrapolate, but observe. If they want to put their brains in gear now it's a bit late, they should have done that in school.
If the police want respect, the crimes of chief constables should be made public, and all officers who are also Freemasons sacked. How can antbody respect a force where many officers are part of a secret semi-criminal society.
Andrew Mitchell's response is exactly what i would expect from an arrogant right wing bully that believes he is above common decency he just displays a lack of respect for the "plebs " that afford him security in his privileged position and anybody else.
I ask, who would you believe, Police officers who's evidence is accepted as being the truth daily in courts of law or the guilty squirming of an arrogant man thats been caught out showing his true character.
Please don't get me wrong this is not a phenomenon that is the reserve of the right wing. Far to many politicians of all persuasions have shown a similar contempt for us all once they are in power.
When will Politicians begin to realise they are elected to serve us .... not for us to serve them.
Andrew Mitchell's response is exactly what i would expect from an arrogant right wing bully that believes he is above common decency he just displays a lack of respect for the "plebs " that afford him security in his privileged position and anybody else.
I ask, who would you believe, Police officers who's evidence is accepted as being the truth daily in courts of law or the guilty squirming of an arrogant man thats been caught out showing his true character.
Please don't get me wrong this is not a phenomenon that is the reserve of the right wing. Far to many politicians of all persuasions have shown a similar contempt for us all once they are in power.
When will Politicians begin to realise they are elected to serve us .... not for us to serve them.
When I was sharing "privileges" with Andrew Mitchell at Rugby, nobody dared bandy a term like "plebs" about - the ethos was left-wing. School mock-elections were won by proto-trotskyist parties - proto because I don't think anyone mentioned him but they were left of the Labour Party and non-Leninist. School heroes included Tim Tosswill, who would establish a picket line at the door to his sixth form English class, whenever the N.U.T. went on strike. Andrew Mitchell either dissembled during his time at Rugby or garnered his snobbery later on. Not that there was much principle involved in being progressive at Rugby, for the most part it was an orthodoxy solely for the purpose of persecuting deviants and any other orthodoxy would have done. C.A.S.
This confrontation between patrician and plebeian authority brought to mind Alastair Sim's portrayal of a UK government minister in the frothy 'Innocents in Paris'.
On his outward journey to an international conference with representatives of the Soviet Union, Sir Norman( A Sim in character ) gently scolds a customs officer( Colin Gordon ) for not applying standard rules to Sir Norman just because of HM minister's exalted standing.
However, on his return to the UK Sir Norman loaded down with contraband and standing on his authority as a government minister meets the same official.
As the customs officer explains to an irritated Sir Norman the rules apply to everyone - no exceptions.
Besides being a battle of words, this fictional confrontation is a battle of ingenuity - more of the little fellow against big authority.
Perhaps if Harpo Marx , with his horn, had been on the gate we would see the funny side of it.
Farce
Haven't things come to an interesting pass when we'd rather than the word of a copper than a politician?
'believe the word of a copper' that should be. See how difficult it is to even type the phrase.
Had that been one of the great unwashed, would the police officer had shrugged the comments off or arrested the individual?
As a former police officer - with two "A" Levels, so that might make me semi-educated - I always suspected that all politicians considered the police to be "plebs". Thankfully, I managed to discourage my son from joining.
Lifted in its entirety from 'Goody Goody -
'Hurray and Hallelujah, you had it comin' to ya'. An eighty year old pop song still encapsulates all that needs to be said about the Lord of the Manor and his servants.
Saturday afternoon's BBC Radio 4 play adds piquancy.
But you wait. Once the Tory workhouse is in place Victorian values will ride high again.
Heaven Sent
The portents are not good. Look to the heavens, plebs! That object plummeting to earth last night was not a meteor but Mitche's career going down in flames.
Soothsayer(Sooper)
The penetrating and carefully crafted insights in the posts supporting or excusing Mitchell say it all.
Got our own logo have we now officer.
The root of all UK police problems (and all civil servants) is that they are over paid, causing them to believe their own myth.
Just like a labour politician or copper to make a statement with no content.
Why carn't the force insist on a minimum of 3 O-levels. The majority of UK police are ignorant thugs, and most chief constables are criminals with many in the secret Freemason society. In the past few months 9 chief constables have been removed, and it's about time the force came clean about the details of their crimes.
'Plebs' is an every-day word in the lingo of the better public school. No, you don't have to go back to Ancient Rome where this social group was inclined to hold a general strike every time the upper orders came on a bit strong . Exiting the City and leaving the Patricians to get on with it is a jolly good precedent, don't you think?
Of course this did the Patrician's a lot of harm as slaves and body-servants can only do so much.
Yes, scholarship boys and the odd grammar school type has in the past had to bear the brunt of this uncouth behaviour but to use it outside the environs of the public school - very poor form.
Whipper-snapper
So if he denies using any of the language ascribed to him by The Sun, will he make a formal complaint to the Sun or the Police?
surely the term "pleb" is correct when someone like Mr Mitchell is addressing someone from a lower class?
he shouldn't have used the f-word though, thoroughly bad form.
It was popular back in Roman times, certainly.
Andrew Mitchel just another of the "ToryArrogant Posh Boys" who magnificently personify the unacceptable face of Conservatism!
I wonder what attitude politicians will have when these 'plebs' decide one day not to turn up to guard the gates at Downing Street at all, because they've decided they have better things to do than be insulted by crass, pathetic, self-impotant imbeciles like this?
And then the other plebs can simply walk through them and through the door to visit our 'masters' in person for a little tête-à-tête?
If he did say that he was right. The police constantly mess-up and blame it on others; have they never seen the keystone cops, or are they trying to emulate them.
Take the poorest educated in society, don't bother with a proper IQ test, pay them far too much, and arrange things so they can never be prosecuted.
I do hope the white rabbit brings some nice cakes for tea!
You need to look up the recruitment process for police recruits. It is not easy (if they are lucky enough to find a force that is recruiting) and not like the one easy question printed by the Telegraph. If they are poorly educated they will not stand a chance to pass any pre-selection test let alone the national assessment centre..
How the hell would you know, the police are packed with idiots. A mate of mine left the force because because of the level of stupidity. If the force as a unit had a modicum of intelligence, why do they use the phrase "life was extinct". If life was extinct we wouldn't be writing this. If the police can't correct their mistakes, and and continue to make them, then why should people respect them more than any other bottom-of-the-class idiot.
The new assessments are stringent so the police ARE changing in that regard. I know by the way as I have just seen someone go through it all. You are pandering to those who want policing to go to G4S and similar. Just wait until they are given the power to fine you for traffic/speeding offences and more as they will profit from the fines and will pressure their employees to fine as many as possible. I am sure that you are very happy with THEIR level of training and intelligence of employee? Private companies are already fining people in my area for littering and they have fined someone for example accidentally dropping a tissue when getting something out their pocket. Welcome to that brave new world. Enjoy.
And of course, you can know exactly what all 136,000 Police Officers are like just through this "mate" of yours. Thanks for bringing such high quality evidence to this discussion!
Power and ignorance are a dangerous combination. I have yet to meet a UK officer with half a brain, and the same applies in say LA, but not SanFrancisco, where most officers are smarter than any UK chief constable.
Labour has a cheek to call for his resignation, when they have dumbed-down the whole country to the extent that in effect civil servants with no education (councils, police, and various non-jobs) are running the country.
In the UK we are happy to observe that Greece as had its economy destroyed by parasite civil servants, but we ingnore the undereducated scum, in what's left of this country
Power and ignorance? I despair that some people's views of the country are formed using such sketchy, anecdotal evidence as "a mate of mine once said..." and "I've never met..." I'm even more concerned when this describes the people running the country.
You know the prime minster should look into this. He should look to see why the force refuses to sack the huge number of officers with a criminal record. Of course it will be about contracts; so the contracts should be ripped up, and jobsworth civil servants lined up and shot as Clarkson suggests.
What a Garath.
By the way I lived next to a police close of 12 families for most of my life, so I fully understand police criminality.
Funny that, because a mate of mine who was in the Met for years, including a spell in the old SPG, said to me, 'You don't have to be very bright to stand out in the Met.'
Good on 'Thrasher' !
For over twenty years now the Pigs have enjoyed the protection of their 'masters' - protection from adversity, scrutiny and prosecution.
'Thrasher' should not apologise - the arrogant swine who stopped him should - what are the odds against that swine being just as obstructive to other lesser 'plebs' at other times ?
Shut up you tit!
Angry responses aren't worthy responses...
Have you ever been in trouble with the police before...perchance?
FTR - NO, well, not yet anyway !
Clumsy Fool thinks everybody is a criminal; apart from the bankers, mortgage brokers, insurance salesmen, and the unions who steal from the public (through council tax) to pay chief constables between 2 and 3 k a week! Now thats criminal, as are the 9 chief constables who have been removed in the past few months: moved to similar high paying jobs, thats even more criminal.
Get him charged with, and convicted of, Breach of the Peace.
Following the huge discrediting of the "pigs" under Labour as left wingers call them e.g. the bribery of the police that Labour allowed, there reputation has started to improve under the coalition. Mitchell is an idoit for back tracking on the progress made.
After all police and Thatcher. Its hardly a lefty thing (or perhaps there is a Miliband bandwagon to be jumped on here)
"Bribery allowed Labour"?
Who did the bribing Inastew, a Right wing news organisation. This same news organisation endorsed David Cameron.
I am surprised Mitchell didn't get arrested, I didn't know you could swear at a police officer, and not get arrested.
Interested in your new spelling of idiot Inastew.
Left wingers are police too. To suggest that the Left discredit the police and call them pigs is absolutely ludicrous. My wife and many members of my family work within the police force and I really resent your stupid remarks.
Not to mention they are public servants -- I thought they were all sponging feckless trosky layabouts?
Yes well we resent stupid police who cover for their colleagues no matter what they have done wrong. And the fact that so many civil servants are also Freemasons, shows who they serve, and it's not the people or what remains of this almost inconsequential backwater.
Should have said in my previous comment 'Tory Hierarchy' call workers plebs, the disabled and unemployed, who genuinely cannot find work, scroungers. Can think of lots of adjectives to describe them, however, they're unprintable.
I'm sure someone will refresh my failing memory. Which mob was it that used to relish being described as "the party of law and order"?
The party of effing and jeffing.
Very funny Barrie.
Stupid boy!!!!
Andrew Mitchell has been reading his Communist Manifesto and acting on it.
"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
"Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes. "
What? 'old Thrasher Mitchell' a senior member of HM Government accused of swearing at a member of the lower order.
Surely not!
If he says he didn't then he didn't. Any man who says otherwise should be horsewhipped and Thrasher is just the man to do it.
Next thing there will be some trumped up story that he owns a set of fish knives and forks.
Outrageous calumny
Its not even the words he used, it is the attitude. Vulgar nasty little man. "End of."
Oops, wrong reference it was the equally odious Tim Loughton that did the "End of" line.
Typical of the Tories, if you work you are a 'pleb'.
Except, of course, c oppers aren't workers. They are lackies.