If Cameron wants to reduce debt, he needs more immigrants
A high level of immigration helps to reduce government borrowing, says the OBR.
By George Eaton Published 12 July 2012 15:51
If David Cameron really wants to pay off "the nation's credit card", he might want to adopt a less restrictive immigration policy. One of the headline findings of today's Office for Budget Responsibility Fiscal sustainability report is that a high level of net migration helps to reduce government borrowing. It notes:
Higher net inward migration than in our central projection – closer to the levels we have seen in recent years, for example – would put downward pressure on borrowing and PSND, as net immigrants are more likely to be of working age than old age than the population in general.
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As the graph above shows, while zero net migration would see the national debt rise to more than 160% of GDP by 2060-61, a policy of high migration would see it increase to little more than 40%. Yet Cameron, who has described deficit reduction as the "guiding task" of the coalition, seems determined to impose even more restrictions on immigration, recently suggesting that the UK could block Greek migrants from entering the country if Greece leaves the euro. Reducing net migration "from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands", as Cameron aims to do, would significantly weaken the economy. But the PM, never one for detail, is unlikely to be swayed by the OBR.
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their jobs depend on more immigrants bigger and better budgets. One thinks one has heard it all and then one hears this!ck
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I keep seeing comments about the U.K. being an "over-crowded" island.
For real crowds try places like Hong Kong.
Our population is very unevenly distributed (there are more people in Birmingham than on Darmoor).
If you can, take a flight across England, at low altitude,and see just how empty it actually is. (i.e. hundreds of acres/hectares with no sign of life).
Recall that, before the financial crisis hit, every newspaper and edition of Question Time had a bourgeois pundit boring on about how it was 'only the migrant workers' who were keeping the economy afloat. Subtext of course being 'lazy British worker', and the (unexpressed) 'how wonderful that I and my class can buy menial labour so cheaply off these people. What a marvellous benefit to my chums that they sell themselves so cheaply to us.' Then the financial crisis hit and the argument disappeared almost overnight because circumstances made it impossible to sustain this bourgeois lie a moment longer. Astonishingly the argument rears up once more in another form. The bourgeois lust for imported cheap labour is now to be justified on the basis of age.
A real vote winner.Let's see which party puts in their manifesto "more immigration".
A real vote winner.Let's see which party puts in their manifesto "more immigration".
Totally agree but only the rich and well educated need apply and no dependents please, with an ages population we don't need anymore baggage.
As an unemployed man, I cannot say that the proposal fills with me glee. It means more competition for a scarcity of jobs.
Our own unemployed should be offered all suitable employment first.
They often are (assuming they apply)
In WW2 there was a "direction of labour" scheme (my father was on it).
Trouble is; there can be a big problem with "motivation" and "application".
(so--even if "our people" turn up,when directed,they may well not be interested in doing a proper job---whereas the dreaded immigrants have proved their willingness to actually go to work each day--and!! do a responsible job)
---As an employer; who would you choose?
There are plenty of jobs around Britain, but nobody wants to do them. My employer had to take a tour of Eastern European countries to find staff for his care homes, because there weren't many from the UK that applied for those jobs.
Perhaps why our 'care' homes are so abysmal? What pittance does he pay them and what are the conditions? There are very few who have the patience or skills to care for people which is why there is abuse. How much training is he paying for?
'My employer went touting round Eastern Europe where he knew he could find people desperate enough to take the pittance he was prepared to ay to ensure he made lavish profits.'
It is a pittance too. I used to work in a care home for people with learning difficulties. It was a job that needed skill and patience. It was a very difficult job, if you wanted to do it properly. It was also a responsible job. The quality of another human being's life was in my hands. Yet, I was paid a pittance and got no real training. The real losers are the people who live in these homes.
The real losers are the society in which these people have contributed so much only to find that the word 'homes' in "homes fit for heroes" is nothing more than an insipid illusion.
The correct phrase is heroes fit for homes.
As unemployed man, I cannot say that the proposal fills with me glee. It means more competition for a scarcity of jobs.
Even the NHS is a ponzi scheme it was not designed for immediate use for turd world freeloaders. Yor grandfather and great grandfather made your coontributions.
Even the NHS is a ponzi scheme it was not designed for immediate use for turd world freeloaders. Yor grandfather and great grandfather made your coontributions.
Even the NHS is a ponzi scheme it was not designed for immediate use for turd world freeloaders. Yor grandfather and great grandfather made your coontributions.
Even the NHS is a ponzi scheme it was not designed for immediate use for turd world freeloaders. Yor grandfather and great grandfather made your coontributions.
Even the NHS is a ponzi scheme it was not designed for immediate use for turd world freeloaders. Yor grandfather and great grandfather made your coontributions.
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"When immigrants come over here and work they pay tax and NI so they pay into the system which they then have a right to use. "
You are assuming that they work. not all of them do. in fact large numbers of them do not and never do. 75% of all female muslim immigrants will never work in the uk and 50% of all male muslim immigrants will never work. The idea we need more immigrants is utterly barmy. It assumes they will be entrepreneurial when many just come here for benefits and the NHS. Not to mention those that do work drive down wages for everyone.
They are also housed usually in areas that are not wealthy so of course wealthy liberal wankers do not have their communities changed and their lives blighted by the anti social behaviour and unwillingness to adapt that so many immigrants bring with them. Thank God cameron will ignore this left wing shite.
Ah, another person who does not understand the purpose of capitalism, and that Cameron will do whatever he can to defend that purpose.
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I shall definitely be voting for the BNP next time!
What, like last time and the time before that?
Yes, that's right! By the way, it's not very clever trying to be a know-it-all.
@D L S
Spot on. I'm thinking of leaving myself, because I'm appalled that I have less rights in my home country, as a British citizen, then a German guy would in my home country.
So rather than live away from my parents in NZ, I'm consisering living with them in France, or Belgium or heck, Germany. Because they are under the current rules, never going to qualify.
So why should I keep paying taxes here while my parents are alone, when I could pay taxes and have them near me?
Huge mistake made by the Government..for which we all suffer.
Ensure immigrants can't access welfare benefits, doing away with burden on tax payers.
Require private medical insurance for new arrivals, doing away with burden on the NHS.
More immigrants = More jobs of which some will go to immigrants and some to non-immigrants. Wouldn't you give jobs to those who are best able to do it than someone just because they are not an immigrant?
The onus is on everyone to improve their employability, and lack of competition from immigrants will just dumb us down.
When immigrants come over here and work they pay tax and NI so they pay into the system which they then have a right to use.
Its difficult to imagine this becoming a reality when their target before the next general election is to actually reduce the Net migration down to tens of thousands.
However, I completely agree on this, I have seen hundreds and thousands of british (by nationality) citizens lose jobs in recent years, in some cases, I have seen lecturers / tutors at top universities having vast experience at reputed education institutions for well over 10 - 15 years are now sitting jobless or either have been shifted to work on freelance basis, because the number of students are reduced greatly in recent times and international students are looking for alternative options to locations such as Australia, Canada, New Zealand, etc.
This is just one example, it is the same for major businesses all over the UK where companies are considering shifting more of their operations as well as head-offices to overseas, not just because of migration but also due to the growing political instability in the UK.
This all will only add to the overall debt in the long run if organisations will go on quitting UK in this way.
We do have a lot of unemployed youth around the country now that need work. We need to encourage the young to move around the country a lot more than they already do. Call it internal migration. For example the young who are unemployed in Liverpool where jobs are hard to come by should be encouraged to move south. If young Polish people can move thousands of miles then young Brits can move 100 or so miles in the same country.
Both my grandparent moved away from high unemployment areas from the North East to Coventry in the 30’s because they had to to earn money as there was no welfare system.
Do you really think there was 'no welfare system' in the 1930s? You don't know that unemployment benefit had existed since before the First World War, that the local public assistance committees provided benefits, that the Unemployment Assistance Board set up in 1935 provided to-op benefits? You don't know that and expect your opinion to be taken seriously?
The evidence shows that any new jobs in the economy go to immigrants, while the numbers of unemployed and the consequent size of the welfare bill increases. Immigrants also tend to remit a significant income to their extended families in their original countries. The extra resources needed to handle a growing immigrant population increase spending. The OBR's assumptions are that we will be allowed to perpetuate the Ponzi scheme of ongoing deficits.
But any policy is only a u-turn away.
OBR....... Don't tell me let me guess..... their jobs depend on more immigrants bigger and better budgets. One thinks one has heard it all and then one hears this!