Olly Grender says "Combine that with the critical issue of the often repeated phrase, "I would support you, but you haven't got any chance of getting into government,"

She obviously doesn't realise what people say now is "I've seen how you behave in government and I'll never vote for you until Clegg & his cronies go".

As Hugh O'Donnell, a leading Scottish Lib Dem who has resigned the party said....the Lib Dems are about all control freakery and image and now and are inflicting huge damage on vulnerable people without flinching.

wow Olly has quite the ego!Look at how she places herself at the top of her party.

Talk about smug,,,

For the logo...Janus and a question mark.

"Will people believe that the LibDems felt they had little choice regarding issues such as tuition fees?"

Absolutely not, especially as it didn't have anything to do with deficit reduction, as Clegg et al claimed. It will actually cost the government more over the time of this parliament, addding even more to the national debt, as this journal and the Guardian have revealed. Olly, you really should read your own rag before putting pen to paper and making a fool of yourself.

Let`s be honest, who votes for the LibDems. Their voters tend to orginate from one of the following 3 categories:

(i)Fustrated Labour supporters who don`t want to vote Tory.
(ii)Fustrated Tory supporters who don`t want to vote Labour.
(iii)Voters who are fustrated with both Labour and Tory.

If the LibDems want to re-brand, stick a donkey on their logo, in reference to the `donkey voters` who vote LibDem.

I find Olly's comments tremendously amusing as I almost always disagree with the main point she makes - and I`m a libdem too! As for the party brand - sorry, but branding is a marketing term; a brand is used to sell a product to a consumer. I've always thought that a political party presents policies and arguments and engages in a process of interaction and argument through which it both eliminates error and persuades voters to back them.

The Liberal Democrats main problem has been the reluctance to try and fuse liberalism and social democracy, resulting in woolly, ill-defined positions on certain issues. The Clegg-Laws Orangebook faction, being old-style, freetrade, pro-market Liberals, have well-defined beliefs and positions which they never hesitate to trumpet in public. Also, they slap the Liberal imprimatur on their every utterance, which shows no awareness of what events and policies are doing to the actual word 'Liberal'. Words have connotations, and Liberal is starting to become toxic, and not a 'brand' to be proud of.

@Chris.
I'm only bothering to post again because you made me laugh!
Does she get paid to write this or is it just voluntary?

The Lib-Dems collected support and seats over many years with a moderate, left of centre agenda. Clegg and the Parliamentary Party have used that support to help establish and maintain a neo-conservative hegemony which is destroying society as most people would like to know it. If they had done with money what they have done with votes, they would all be doing time by now.

Putting perfume on a corpse won't cover the stink of its lies.

if labour voters do with their votes what labour has done with their money......

How about a tree/union jack sort of thing ?

There is something not quite right with AV its followers conveniently always fail to tell us.

Something that can't readily be described in few words. It requires complex formulations about how votes are worth different things to different people, in different places, and under peculiarly different circumstances. How that complexity is somehow fairer, yet the more one digs into it the more one comes beguiled, then confused, and then disgusted...

It is the end of democracy in Britain, it is the beginning of permanent LibDem dominated coalition government; the floodgates to the slippery slope to a smooth easy patch-in to the EU-superstate.

And what we would actually lose with it? Forever the ability for us to vote out an entire political class or entire political ideology.

It is not a stepping stone to PR. No party will give us that. And certainly not the LibDems.

The LibDems love AV precisely because AV crushes the other small count parties at first count; counter to what the loving public perceive of it.

AV is nothing but the LibDem CUCKOO's egg in the nest of British democracy.

Isn't it a bit pointless rebranding the LDs? I'm sure they could come up with something that sounds and looks wonderful. I don't think anyone on the left could say they hadn't heard the LDs say some excellent stuff. The problem is there is almost no link between what they say and what they actually do.

I wouldn't consider even thinking of voting LD again. Maybe if one of the decent ones, like Kennedy, split off and formed a new party I'd consider voting for the new party.