Welcome to the New Statesman website. Please sign in or register to participate in the conversation.

Nelson Jones

Belief, disbelief and beyond belief

Syndicate contentRSS

Is Kosher still kosher?

When it comes to animal welfare, should secular standards trump religious scruples?

The lower house of the Dutch parliament has voted by a large majority to ban the slaughter of animals without prior electric stunning, as practised by religiously observant Jews and Muslims. The Netherlands would not be the first European country to have such a law -- it is already banned in Sweden, Norway and Switzerland -- but the vote has inevitably reopened the debate on the balance that any modern society must strike between common standards and the rights of minorities to maintain their own traditions.

The debate is perhaps especially fierce in Holland, a country that has long been at the forefront of liberal modernity but which has more recently seen deep and ugly divisions on questions of immigration and culture. Last week saw the acquittal of Geert Wilders on charges of inciting religious hatred through his strongly expressed condemnation of Islam. The vote on banning ritual slaughter has been compared by the country's Chief Rabbi to Nazi legislation that began with the closing of kosher abbatoirs and ended with the Holocaust.

The comparison seems exaggerated, even offensive. But then Hitler was famously a vegetarian. Concern for animal welfare has not always gone hand-in-hand with love of human beings or the promotion of human rights. Even if -- as I strongly believe -- increasing concern about the treatment of other animals is a mark of a more civilised society, it doesn't necessarily follow that those promoting new rules act from disinterested motives.

For many people, the question is purely and simply one of reducing -- so far as is possible -- the pain and suffering of the animals being killed for food. The best scientific evidence suggests that pre-stunning animals is more humane than the religiously-decreed alternative of slitting their throats while still conscious, and that should be the end of the matter. It is widely accepted, after all, that even in a tolerant and religiously plural society some practices are off limits. There's no prospect of allowing female genital mutilation, for example, or child marriage, or the ritual use of illegal drugs. There's even a growing debate about the morality of cicumcising baby boys.

By and large, religious leaders accept that exemptions cannot be demanded as of right, or purely on the grounds of tradition and strongly held belief, but that they must pay lip-service at least to secularism. It's not enough to say simply, "This is what God has ordained". If religious slaughter were demonstrably cruel -- not merely less humane, but mandated that animals be slowly tortured to death or roasted while still alive -- then the argument would have ended long ago. In fact, before the introduction of prior stunning there was little or any distinction, in terms of animal suffering, between religious and non-religious slaughter.

The question thus is whether the religious should be forced to take on board the modern advance of electric stunning if they are to continue to eat meat. The change may in fact be easier for Muslims than for Jews, since some interpretations of Islamic law allow animals to be stunned before being killed. The practice is widespread in New Zealand, where for largely commercial reasons almost all meat is now halal. But Jewish law has historically been flexible, and one should never underestimate the ingenuity of rabbis.

The aim of both kosher and halal butchers -- they claim -- has always been to dispatch the animal in as swift and merciful a manner as possible. God, they would argue, would not have ordained a needlessly cruel death for his creatures. And this is, of course, the stated purpose of modern, secular, animal welfare regulations. Of course, being modern and secular the regulations invoke science rather than God, but the motivation is similar. One might almost call it religious.

Instead of crying religious discrimination, should the rabbis and imams not rather be grateful to the scientists for helping them to fulfil the deeper purpose behind their commandments more faithfully?

Tags: Religion

17 comments

David Lindsay's picture

Kosher and halal meat more than bear comparison with our own meat production practices, although having banned foxhunting, we might as well ban kosher and halal meat. The question is whether we should ever have banned foxhunting. Let us hope that the Dutch kosher and halal ban is as unenforced, because as unenforceable, as our own hunting ban, the latter enacted to persuade disgraceful MPs to vote for the Iraq War.

Do the Middle East's ancient indigenous Christians eat halal meat? If so, then there cannot be anything wrong with it in principle. Israel, meanwhile, is now so desperate that she is now importing Russians who refuse on principle to eat kosher meat, and who insist on taking their IDF oaths on the New Testament alone, a purely anti-Semitic position unrelated to Russian Orthodoxy, which keeps Old Testament figures as Saints and which venerates icons of them. Oh, well, at least they are not Arabs, eh...

Equal rights for all's picture

No discrimination = no privileges for any religious group = no ritual slaugther.

Dakota's picture

I'm not defending 'barbaric multicultural practises' as you so charmingly put it. I just don't see a huge difference between slashing the carotid artery on the one hand, and using western industrial dispatching on the other. http://www.homeappliancesguide.org/

Andyb's picture

When cruelty is involved, no exceptions should be made - not even for religious groups. I can't believe we are even asking this question.

For for those religious appologists who counter that we should be putting the same effort into making the lives of these animals better before their slaughter, well we are putting alot of effort into that.

swatantra nandanwar's picture

There is no cruelty in kosher or halal if done properly in licensed and regulated premises by trained personnel.
What is cruel is the lead up, the rearing of animals in factory farms and battery pens, overcrowding or isolation. Thats is what is cruel.

MAQ333's picture

Well, tomorrow, there is going to be another debate: Whether we should cut the trees down by a saw - very painful for the arteries of the tree - or with some lazer beams - relatively less painful way of 'slaugthering' a tree....I am sure Nelson Jones could easily have chosen a better subject to defame an Jewish and Muslim values.

GiseleHannigan's picture

All this hullabaloo about how an amimal is killed, why not ask questions about how the animal lives? Being pumped full of anti-biotics, crammed into a dark rooms, defecating on themselves and each other, legs not being able to support their disproportionate growth hormone induced bodies.

And even if you wanted to talk about how they are killed, being gassed, dipped into electric water baths, many at times not being fully dead, when the machines start chopping them up. It's a hypocrisy of the people who try and divert the attention from their misdemeanour's by trying to focus on other people 'mistakes'. Animals have right, right which need to be implemented during their lives and prior to their deaths.

Andy Saul's picture

+1 for what S_Miah said. Let's sort out the many problems with factory farming & animal welfare in general before criticising religious slaughter practice

acommentator's picture

"Animals have right, right which need to be implemented during their lives and prior to their deaths."

So you can slaughter them in the most barbaric ways imaginable? You are the hypocrite you call other people. If you were truly concerned about animal welfare, you would not be opposing this.

GiseleHannigan's picture

People look far and wide to find inhumane animal welfare and slaughter practices of Muslims and like. Just do a search on youtube of animal slaughter houses, and face the fact of the multitudes of videos which very explicitly show how badly animals are treated in so many mainstream abattoirs. The videos are shocking enough to make anyone think twice about the source of their meat. Yes, you will find, if you look for it, slaughterhouses who produce, so called halal meat, treating their animals in a despicable manner. The fact is, these halal meat producers are ill educated and ill trained. Examples of Animal Rights are ingrained in Islam. The Prophet Muhammeds practice and examples show this in many forms:

The Prophet(PBUH) severely reproached a person who slaughtered a sheep in front of other sheep: 'Do you want to kill the sheep twice?! Why don't you separate them from one another (while you are slaughtering them?!)'

The Messenger of Allah said:
'A woman was tormented because of a cat which she had confined and starved until it died. She did not allow it to eat or drink while it was confined, nor did she free it so that it might eat the insects of the earth. As a result of her evilness, she was condemned to Hell.'

Andy Saul's picture

@acommentator It is possible to oppose both, but to point out that the lifetime of misery may be worse than the moment of death

Andy Saul's picture

@acommentator

Your psychic powers are not working very well. I do oppose both, which is why I don't eat meat.

I did not say we should never criticise religious slaughter. I said that there are greater priorities. Speaking as an atheist, BTW.

I'm not defending 'barbaric multicultural practises' as you so charmingly put it. I just don't see a huge difference between slashing the carotid artery on the one hand, and using western industrial dispatching on the other.

acommentator's picture

"It is possible to oppose both, but to point out that the lifetime of misery may be worse than the moment of death"

You don't oppose both. You said that one should not even criticize, let alone oppose, religious slaughter, before animals have five star hotels. Why? Because it is so much easier and cost-effective to solve the problems with "factory farming & animal welfare"? Because it will have so much less effect on the ability of the poor to buy meat? Unfortunately, it seems that leftists care only about justifying barbaric multicultural practices. If you didn't, you'd praise this move AND say that more should be done for animal welfare, instead of attempting to dictate the order in which these things should be done.

By the way, I voted for Geert Wilders, and I am glad to see my country move in the right direction.

Voiced_Reasoned's picture

Australia is grappling with this very question at the moment with the suspension of 'Live Cattle Exports' to Indonesia. The Public broadcaster uncovered and televised shocking treatment of destressed beasts. The images were so graphic as to galvinse the public to force the government to act immediately. This is now a political issue being worked through. One has to question keeping doctrines that may have been practical in their historical context with a healthy acknowledgement of progress and the broader societies adversion to animal cruelty.

yeepvb's picture

★surprise ★
   
wholesale
our website:== http://www.jordansforking.com
believe you will love it
YOU MUST NOT MISS IT!!!
thank you!!!
Believe you will love it.

=== http://www.goodshopping100.com
█████.*******************
◢██□██◣.~~~~~*^_^*

★Hey My friend ★ I find an amazing web, please click the web,
you can find big pleasantly surprisedYou can try Oh,
give you satisfaction guarantee.

Andyb's picture

"There is no cruelty in kosher or halal if done properly in licensed and regulated premises by trained personnel"

So according to you, the controversy over this is a fabrication? I suspect you are deluding yourself if you believe there is no cruetly involved.

TrickyDicky's picture

"There's no prospect of allowing female genital mutilation"

It may be illegal in the UK but about 2000 girls are mutilated every year and the police do nothing!

Post new comment

By submitting this form, you accept the Mollom privacy policy.

Latest tweets