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Iran Watch, part 4.
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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman reiterated his call on Monday for some Arabs to be stripped of their Israeli citizenship and moved to a new Palestinian state as part of a final peace deal.
Speaking to reporters, Lieberman said that resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict requires a modification of Israel's borders and placing Arab communities under Palestinian rule. In return, Israel would receive West Bank territory with current Jewish settlements.
“It's time to say these things clearly,” Lieberman said.
The far-right foreign minister made the comments ahead of a meeting between Israeli and Palestinian peace negotiators later Monday in Jordan.
Lieberman, the leader of the right-wing extremist party Yisrael Beiteinu, is known to harbor hostile views towards Palestinians and has previously outraged human rights groups for remarks against Arabs.
He also came under fire for a proposed 2010 loyalty oath bill that would require Arab citizens to swear loyalty to Israel as a Jewish state in order to retain Israeli citizenship.
Not short of controversy, Lieberman is also facing a criminal investigation on corruption allegations. Earlier this year state attorneys recommended he be charged with fraud, money-laundering, breach of trust and witness tampering.
Arab citizens in Israel are remnants of a Palestinian population that stayed in their native lands following the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.
Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were driven out of their homes during Israel's violent creation in what Palestinians commemorate as the Nakba.
Arab citizens form 20 percent of Israel's population, with an additional 4 million Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Israel maintains a military occupation of the West Bank, and continues to expand illegal Jewish settlements in the territory in defiance of international law.
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You have plenty to say on here Julia, now that is convenient. "If I shut up and let him spout his left wing and hateful agenda against Israel" why not have a march and bring your followers, maybe start a blog in haaretzvha, wait you would only be breeding a bunch of extremists.
"I'm opposed to nuclear-armed Israel pre-emptively and illegally attacking a nuclear-weapons-free Iran..."
Do we take it you want Israel to wait till they have nuclear arms?
And you neatly elide the fact that Obama also said he was against Iran having nuclear weapons (at least as far as I managed to read - quotes from Wiki too?).
I seem to remember the case of the former Israeli president and I quote:
The disgraced former Israeli President, Moshe Katsav, has arrived at Maasiyahu prison near Tel Aviv to begin a seven-year sentence for rape.
I KNOW OF NO OTHER DEMOCRACY WHERE A PRESIDENT HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF RAPE.
"Why is it whenever there is escalated talk of war people start arguing about translated semantics."
only when it suits apparently. semantics be damned if it's from the 'wrong' side.
"There is no doubt of Iran's position."
then you've not been paying attention, at all.
Uncle Sam - grow up will you? Israel is NOT an "apartheid state" - it is a multi-racial and mulit-ethnic liberal democracy, with full gender equality, gay rights, freedom of speech and freedom of expression: fact.
You are obsessed and hysterical with your Israel/Jew-hate - in what way do you imagine you are "helping" Palestinians by your extremist prose? What is needed in the region is de-escalation of hysteria, extremism, fanaticism...not your hilariously one-sided and biased version of events.
Julia Harris has detailed again the vicious, horrific murders carried out by Islamic fanatics just this week..and Muslims are murdered by other Islamic fanatics or sectarians every single day, in their thousands...and in countries like Sudan there are an estimated 1 million victims and 2 million refugees at the hands of their bloody Islamist terror-regime.
But you dont care when Muslim fanatics kill Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists or other Muslim sects...that is a real crime against humanity, Uncle Sam... you are a very twisted and sick person...
In response to Agent.
Jankaas has provided a literal translation of what Ahmadinajad said and still you won't accept it.
As for having no doubt of Iran's position., why would Iran engage in war with Israel knowing full well that act of war would bring it into conflict with the most powerful army in the world; namely the US army. Why would Iran commit political and military suicide.
What you posit Agent, does not make sense!!! The only country to benefit from such a scenario would be Israel.
"If one were to follow this logic then that man must be trying to get Fenton the dog back in the name of Jesus Christ."
haha. i thought he was using his dog Fenton as a weapon to murder deer with in the name of Jesus Christ...that damned Bible eh?
@Agoodword 08 March 2012 at 14:52" Its never been been Irans policy to, as you say"exterminate Israel"."
You believe that? You believe what politicians say, what other states say?
@acommentator 08 March 2012 at 14:07
With you on those links tho' - post them at CiF on an article by Mehdi, and, hey - you lose your posting rights.
It occurs to me you may have been being ironic in your quote, if so, apologies - if not, my point stands. Armoured Dinner Jacket is a weapons grade nutter. You read up about that Twelfth Imam craziness?
The Left's venom against Israel is poisonous.
yes In-pooh Resplendent..?
your post from 10 March 2012 at 13:25 is written in gibberish. i have absolutely no idea how that relates to the rule of law regarding statutory rape of a minor. the Bible is also strangely silent on calcium waves with single gamete reproduction......
care to try again? feel free to talk down to me or get all technical if you wish. but i will bet right now you're talking out of your bottom.
Does Ahmadinejad really want to "wipe Israel off the map"?
Yes he does, that's why he keeps saying it. The Iranian people don't, but then they don't get to fire the nukes once they're built.
Why would Iran commit military/political suicide? Because Ahmadenejad and Khameni aspire to be be the worlds greatest suicide bombers. Because according to their fanatical Islamist agenda Armageddon will herald the arrival of the Hidden Iman. That is why the free world will prevent these medieval fanatics from ever acquiring the means to achieve mass murder.
You Mariella would of course be delighted if they got the bomb and dropped it on the Jews. I'm sure nothing would please you MPAC scum more that watching 6 million more Jews die.
In response to Jeremy:
Jankaas has provided and exact translation of what Ahmaddinajad said and still you will not accept its accuracy.
One could argue the converse: Israel is hell bent on destroying Iran no matter what the price, no matter what the cost. We must remember too that Israel is the only state in the region that has the option to use nuclear weapons on Iran.
As for the left being poisonous, I must point out the even Ed Miliband who has Jewish parentage said at the last Labour Party Conference that the current position in Israel is unsustainable and some settlement must be reached.
you are most welcome. glad i managed to surprise you with such a simple act.
i realise that you are anti-religion, and i will confess that a few years ago i was the exact same. i also thought that religion was the cause, and that all the vile acts from history, and contemporary times could be succinctly summarised as; religion = evil.
how else to explain 9/11? or Madrid, or London? i read The God Delusion, The End of Faith, God Is Not Great...you get the picture? i could put big lists of Koranic quotes, Biblical quotes and try and 'destroy' theists online. like shooting fish in a barrel. most of the time anyway.
but then how to deal with Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot or 'regular' western sociopaths who simply don't have a theology to become associated with? so now i believe that; good people can do evil things despite being religious, and, good people can do evil things despite not being religious.
so what about the serious scientists who actually bother to collect and analyse data and live amongst Islamic people to learn what drives them? unlike the 'science-lite' approach of Dawkins Harris et al, the evidence does not allow their simplistic conclusion; "It's Islam stoopid." and that bothered me. greatly in fact.
so now i label myself as a non-theist, as i simply don't 'do' religion, and i try and stick to facts rather than the propaganda we're being force fed. here are 2 scientists who bothered to do the hard work. it is up to you what you do with these links (hat tip to Sir M for Pape);
can some-one please help Julia answer this very very difficult question? what religion would you expect the Muslim perpetrators and Muslim victims of violent acts carried out in Islamic countries to follow?
B) Church of the Latter Day Saints
poor love is to thick to figure it out for herself, so please do help her.
there are up to 40,000 jews living in Iran. every one of them could move to israel and have been enticed many times, yet choose to stay where they are. they have a seat in the iranian parliament too. but israel cares not about this it seems. to the zionists i am sure the iranian jews are classed as self hating jews, the same as any others critical of the israeli regime.
you cant have it all ways
Where in any of the Shite writings does it talk of using nuclear weapons against Israel. Why do you consider it acceptable to talk of the Shite religion in such disrespectful terms; and yet if Iran did thsi you would be calling for WW3. Correct me if I am wrong but most of the suicide bombers in the UK were Sunnis. If your views are representative of Israelis, it is obvious to see why peace has never been achieved. You could try taking a leaf out of writeon's book.
same question for gerry it seems.
perhaps you are able to figure this out all by your lonesome?
I have been accused several times by the Israeli lobby of being part of MPACUK scum. I do not know who they are; but will now take the time to look them up!!!
PP makes an interesting point about Israel. I believe that the Holocaust experience has produced a mindset within Israel which has produced deep seated psychological insecurity. Gideon Levy's comments are instructive.: Netanyahu spoke of a new "migration policy," one that is evil through and through. He malevolently lumped together migrant workers and wretched refugees - warning that they all endanger Israel, lower our wages, harm our security, make us into a third-world country and bring in drugs. He zealously supported our racist interior minister, Eli Yishai, who has spoken of the migrants as the spreaders of diseases such as hepatitis, tuberculosis, AIDS and God knows what else. No Holocaust speech will erase these words of incitement and slander against migrants. No remembrance speech will obliterate the xenophobia that has reared its head in Israel, not only on the extreme right, as in Europe, but throughout government. We have a prime minister who speaks about evil but is building a fence to prevent war refugees from knocking at Israel's door. A prime minister who speaks about evil but shares the crime of the Gaza blockade, now in its fourth year, leaving 1.5 million people in disgraceful conditions. A prime minister in whose country settlers perpetrate pogroms against innocent Palestinians under the slogan "price tag," which also has horrific historical connotations, but against whom the state does virtually nothing. This is the prime minister of a state that arrests hundreds of left-wing protesters against the injustices of the occupation and the war in Gaza, while time grants mass pardons to the right-wingers who demonstrated against the disengagement. In his speech yesterday, Netanyahu's equating Nazi Germany with fundamentalist Iran was no more than cheap propaganda. Talk about "degrading the Holocaust." Iran isn't Germany, Ahmedinejad isn't Hitler and equating them is no less spurious than equating Israeli soldiers with Nazis. The Holocaust must not be forgotten, and there is no need to compare it with anything. Israel must take part in the efforts to keep its memory alive, but in doing so it must show up with clean hands, clean of evil of their own doing. And it must not arouse suspicion that it is cynically using the memory of the Holocaust to obliterate and blur other things. Regrettably, this is not the case. How beautiful it would have been if on this international day of remembrance Israel had taken the time to examine itself, look inward and ask, for example, how it is that anti-Semitism has reared its head in the world precisely in the past year, the year after we dropped white-phosphorous bombs on Gaza. How beautiful it would have been if on this International Holocaust Remembrance Day, Netanyahu had declared a new policy for integrating refugees instead of expulsion, or lifted the Gaza blockade.
Gerry, you made me laugh, thanks for that, great joke, Israel NOT an "apartheid state", very funny! So since I quoted Nelson Mandela in my last post, I guess that makes him a "jew hater" too. Such a silly argument Gerry, in your deluded world any criticism of Israel = Jew Hate? Does this go for Jews too? FYI Gerry, I don't hate anyone, not christians, muslims, jews, hindus, sikhs, buddists, atheists, even mormons etc, etc.
I just believe in objectivity and a minimal standard of moral integrity. Minimal moral integrity requires that if we think something is wrong when they do it, it's wrong when we do it. Simple as that, No double standards. You should read Illan Pappe's book on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, he is an Israeli Historian and a great man, very outspoken about mistreatment of Arabs and Palestinians in Israel, does that make him a "jew hater" too?
"I am sure the iranian jews are classed as self hating jews, the same as any others critical of the israeli regime."
You're talking bollocks, Billy. The Jews who choose to stay in Iran are welcome to do so, and obviously have their own (quite understandable)reasons for doing so. That doesn't in any way change the fact that the Iranian regime is profoundly antisemitic.
No-one is calling them "self-hating jews" and the fact that you have come up with that phrase tells us more about you than it does anyone else.
The central question remnains: does the Iranian ruling class whether under Ahmadinejad or Khamanie, want to destroy Israel?
To ask the question is to answer it.
@Mariella 08 March 2012 at 21:50
I don't believe him. Nor do many others. Indeed, it is a rare politician from any country that I believe when they open their mouths. Lying is second nature to them, all the world over.
"only when it suits apparently. semantics be damned if it's from the 'wrong' side."
I do pay attention, but not to every comment, or even the latter half of the article - I get bored. My point is that Iran needs to comply with weapons inspections (if they already are then I haven't been paying attention so skip the rest) - we all saw where not doing so went with Iraq: there may very well be no WMDs but looking like you're hiding something allows people to think that you are. No need for translation there.
OK, let me get your drift.
1. You have been given an accurate translation but you still refuse to believe it.
2. DO you place Netanyahu in this category.
3. WHen you say many others do not believe Ahemdinajad. Which others. The Western world perhaps ( Possibly Saudi Arabia and Qatar). But if you go outside this sphere of orbit, you will find the rest of the world does not believe Israel. That includes a substantial part of the world community.
David Grossman article in Guardian: In his speeches, Binyamin Netanyahu likes to fire up his audiences with frequent references to the Holocaust, Jewish destiny and the fate of future generations. In light of this doomsday rhetoric, one wonders if Israel's prime minister can always distinguish between the real dangers confronting the country and shadows of past traumas. This question is crucial, because to confuse one with the other could sentence Israel to relive those echoes and shadows.
If all that – the tough talk, the big bellows of catastrophe –, is no more than a tactic meant to enlist the world to tighten the screws on Iran, and if the tactic were to succeed without an Israeli attack, then we would happily acknowledge, of course, that the prime minister had done an excellent job, for which he deserves due credit and kudos. But if he indeed thinks and operates within a hermetic worldview that swings between poles of disaster and salvation, we are in a very different universe of discourse.
Instead of a one-dimensional translation of the Israel of 2012 into the Holocaust of European Jewry, one question needs to be asked: is it advisable for Israel, on its own, to enter into a war with Iran, a war whose consequences cannot be foreseen, in order to prevent a future situation that is dangerous indeed but that no one can be sure will ever come to pass? In other words, in order to block a possible disaster in the future, will Israel be driven to initiate a certain disaster in the present?
It's very hard to decide at a moment like this. It would be hard for any Israeli leader, not least Netanyahu, to make a level-headed decision in a situation heavily freighted with the trauma that occurred in the past and another that may occur in the future. Can Netanyahu, amid the tangle of pressures that he creates and inflames, find his way to a practical, clear-minded present? A present reality that need not be part of a tragic, apocalyptic myth that somehow strives for fulfilment again and again, in every Jewish generation?
Because this too is the present reality: there is already a balance of terror in place between Israel and Iran. The Iranians have announced that hundreds of their missiles are aimed at Israeli cities, and it is safe to assume that Israel is not sitting idly by. This balance of terror, say the experts, includes unconventional weapons, biological and chemical. To date, this balance of terror has never been violated.
No one can know for sure that the balance of terror will last. Nor can anyone be certain that it will not. No one can know whether nuclear weapons or knowhow might "trickle" from Iran to terrorist organisations, just as no one can rule out the possibility that the current regime in Iran might be replaced by a more moderate one. Politicians are currently working mainly on the basis of guesswork and fear. One must not belittle the gravity of such conjectures, but can they provide a solid basis for actions that might bring about irreparable damage?
No one in Israel can be absolutely certain that all Iran's nuclear potential would be demolished by an Israeli attack. Nor has anyone precise knowledge of the extent of the death and destruction that an Iranian response would sow in Israeli cities. It is worth remembering the overblown confidence of Israel's leaders and their illusions of accurate military intelligence at the start of the second Lebanon war, or the failures of prediction in the first Lebanon war, which entangled Israel in an 18-year occupation.
Even if the infrastructure of Iran's nuclear project were destroyed, it is impossible to destroy Iranian knowledge. And knowledge, and those who possess it, will rise from the dust – and this time fuelled by the insult of humiliation, and unbridled hatred, and a thirst for vengeance on the part of the whole Iranian people.
Iran, as we know, is not just a radical fundamentalist state. There are wide sectors of the population that are secular, educated and enlightened. There is a broad middle class, including many people who risked their lives in brave demonstrations against the dictatorial religious regime they despise. I am not claiming that the Iranian nation feels any sympathy for Israel, but that same part of the Iranian public, at some point in the future, might be the ones who will lead Iran, and might even warm to Israel. An Israeli attack on Iran would eliminate that possibility for many years; in the eyes even of moderate Iranians, Israel will be permanently perceived as a haughty, megalomaniacal nation, a historic enemy to be fought indefinitely. Is this possibility more or less dangerous than a nuclear Iran?
And what will Israel do if Saudi Arabia decides it wants a nuclear weapon? Attack it too? And if Egypt, under its new regime, heads down that path? Will Israel bomb it? And for ever stay the only country in the region allowed to have nuclear weapons?
Even if these questions have already been voiced, they must be repeated before ears go deaf in the din of battle: will war bring any real gain, any assurance of peaceful life for Israel? Anything that would create the willingness to accept Israel as a partner and neighbour, a willingness that in the long run can render all forms of nuclear arms – Israel's, and those of others – superfluous?
A legitimate answer to these questions, an answer hard to swallow but worthy of public discussion, is this: if economic sanctions do not cause Iran to halt uranium enrichment, and if the United States, for reasons of its own, does not attack it – even then, it would be better for Israel not to attack, even if this means that Israel, gnashing its teeth, would have to live with a nuclear Iran. It is very hard to accept that, and one hopes that international pressure will eliminate this eventuality, but an Israeli attack might be no less painful and bitter. And because there is no way to ascertain that Iran would indeed attack Israel if it had nuclear weapons at its disposal, Israel must not attack Iran. Such an attack would be a rash, wild bet, likely to disfigure our future in ways I dare not even imagine. No, I can imagine it, but my hand refuses to write it.
I do not envy the prime minister, the defence minister and members of the cabinet. Immense responsibility lies upon their shoulders. I think about the fact that in a situation mainly made up of doubt and uncertainty, the one certain thing is often fear. It is tempting for us Israelis to cling to such fears, to let them counsel and guide us, to feel their familiar, reassuring ring. I am sure that those who support an attack on Iran justify it on the grounds that it would be done to forestall the possibility of a bigger nightmare in the future.
But has any person the right to sentence so many people to death, only in the name of a fear of a possibility that might never come to pass?
What I think eludes Mehdi Hasan and the MPAC/PSC trolls is that were Iran ever to succeed in firing a WMD against Israel the consequences for your Moslem brethren will not be very healthy.
Israel will not sit by and watch the Moslem world overrun it. It will strike back against any POTENTIAL aggressors. I suspect that there will not be a single one of your blessed Palestinians left alive in the west bank or gaza. Every neighbouring Arab population centre will be destroyed. Iran will cease to exist because it will be turned into ash.
Wouldn't surprise me if Lahore and Karachi would be history as as well.
Just a thought to bring you islamists back to earth.
I am surmising that the mindset in Israel is as follows. Even if Iran has hundreds of missiles directed at Israel, these will be intercepted by Israel's missile defence system. Israeli leaders still think that is a risk worth taking.
You have zero chance of drumming up any kind of support for Israel. I seem to remember that the President of Israel, Katsav was actually found guilty and sent to jail for seven years for commiting acts of rape and other sexual offences. I really don't and have no desire to understand the hate that is clearly eating you up inside. I afell sure you have a really wonderful life. It really shows!!! SHALOM!!!!
Got it - you are an sad loney athiest fuck who is a bit mad and goes around saying God raped Mary. Is that quick enough on the up take for you?
Mate, you really need to see someone if your are not already on medication.
"I just believe in objectivity and a minimal standard of moral integrity. "
you sir are a freak! dontcha know them standards are by definition anti-semitic and the mark of an islamofascist...;o)
I fail to see what the Taliban has to do with the subject we are discussing. You are making yourself look ridiculous and you do your cause no favours either.
What is so interesting about this thread is the point blank refusal of the islamist Israel-haters to acknowledge that Iran is an islamofascist state that kills it's women by stoning, hangs Gays, suppresses any opposition, persecutes the Azeri's and has the worst human rights record in the world.
You can ignore this. But every non-Islamist has it uppermost in their minds.
Thanks jankaas, good observation!
"It is the same with police having guns and preventing criminals from getting them." from londoner 1999.
The problem with this sentence above 'londoner 1999' is that the "Criminals" you call them aren't trying to get a gun are they?
@ Mehdi Hasan
The BBC Television Newsnight (Paxman)and Rentoul's words are nothing in comparison to last night’s Moral Maze by Michael Buerk and his panel of experts debating the legality of Israel’s pending pre-emptive strike on Iran (Iran and nuclear weapons : Broadcast: 7th March 2012, at 20:00, on BBC Radio 4):
In a live BBC Radio program to which millions are listening, if a panel claims to have a 'moral' debate on the legality of ‘pre-emptive strike’ on a sovereign country, certainly an honest approach and a correct premise to construct a rational discourse is expected, rather than misleading the public to fulfil a preconceived agenda. A certain group, composed from certain class with certain agendas, dominated by the Zionist M. Philips’ paranoia, rammed false information down the listeners’ throats as a genuine ‘moral’ maze, indeed being nothing short of an ‘immoral’ maze. Throughout their debate the participants constructed a strong moral argument based on two false premises, that:
1) IRAN HAS VOWED TO WIPE OUT ISRAEL OFF THE MAP. Thanks to the New Statesman for clarifying this point here; there are many sites that have already clarified this misinterpretation word for word, though I doubt the deliberate mistranslation of Ahmadinejad's remark will go away because the Zionists politicians desperately need to revive the horrors of the Holocaust and the sense of victimhood to foster their own image as competent politicians standing up in the face of (virtual) fascism. The BBC could have done some research or found an Iranian linguistic to re-examine the speech.
2) SECOND WAS THAT IRAN HAD WAGED WAR AGAINST THE WEST AND SUPPORTED TERRORISM SINCE 1979, hence it is certainly after the bomb and the justification for an attack. The panel's historical amnesia was extraordinary, seeing the symptoms rather than the roots of the conflicts and the inevitable reaction to the western state terrorism that has devastated the Middle East for decades. In the case of Iran alone the closes to our memory we have the British invasion and 4 year illegal occupation of neutral Iran from 1941; CIA-MI6 military coup of 1953; 3 decades of supporting the Shah's repressive regime; 8 years of military intelligence & support for Saddam's genocidal war against Iran that left a million dead; increasing sanctions and attempts to destabilize the country since 1979, including the Israelis training & arming anti-Iranian Kurdish Guerrillas as S. Hersh has reported or the massive American military bases all around Iran threatening Iran’s stability, not to mention millions of dollars officially given by the American government for active propaganda purposes against Iran, the support for various terrorist groups to bomb or attack Iranian cities, or the recent assassinations of Iranian scientists – the list is long; no western country would have tolerated these.
Do the Zionists, including the BBC, CNN and other discredited media believe that by ignoring certain historical facts they would fade into obscurity? Do they really believe by being concern with symptoms, not with the causes (that may expose the western criminality and western moral collapse in the course of maintaining its hegemony in the Middle East) they would overcome their own domestic and global economic crises? And have we not moved away from Karl Popper’s open society and turned into the open society’s ‘enemies’ by skilfully manipulating our language to dehumanise its ethics to be free to demonise, to attack, to massacre, to exploit and finally to turn a blind eye to uncountable victims after signing profitable contracts, as in Iraq, meanwhile keeping the public in mere state of ignorance, bemused by fake debates about western democracy its sanctimonious values vis-à-vis the ‘Islamofascism’?!
The BBC and the British media have long been active parts of this demonizing strategic and military machine generating the hysteria for military strike, desperately striving to forge a ‘virtual’ Hitler and ‘virtual’ fascism, as though hoping to avenge the horrors of the Holocaust. How the Zionist mouthpieces by reiterating ‘the Islam-o-fascism’, and Israel the only ‘democracy’, and ‘wipe out off the map’ have succeeded to stir up fear to rationalise their irrational; hysterically repeating a paranoiac misinterpretation of a speech, baring their teeth and daggers while hiding behind the images of progress, Nobel Prizes and intellectual achievements – how pathologically deranged and pathetic; how skilful in diverting attention from the suffering of millions of Palestinians, from their own WMD and abuses of the Human Rights documented all over Palestine.
We are faced with ‘one-dimensional’ panellists, experts and citizens that half a century ago Herbert Marcuse defined as members of the western societies. People don’t seem to think anymore; the majority have become robotic bystanders daily echoing the media, failing even to see the flaws within their own societies let alone the countries far away from them; just look at some of these spiteful misinformed comments on Iran in the past 3 weeks, and the massive propaganda output by the Zionists. One does not need to be a psychoanalyst to recognise their projections of their shattered private lives and distorted introjections, desperately calling out for attention or for revenge in their personal lives under the guise of commenting on Iran.
How sick is Europe, just as Fanon found it half a century ago; they speak of tolerance as long as their colonial mentality is tolerated; and as Fanon said, they ‘are never done talking of Man, yet murder men everywhere they find them’; Europe, where Europeans are never done glorifying their own egocentric humanity while disintegrating in a stinky swamp of their abominable racial, colonial and class values; rude, vulgar, decadent societies with no sense of community or decency, disillusioned and incapable of facing the truth of their past or present; crusading in disguise, leaving rivers of blood in their trajectories across the devastated Muslim world while carrying their bloodstained banners of democracy and the Human Rights.
There you go again Jerry. Just as you accused me of being mentally ill you are now accusing Uncle Sam of being twisted and sick. Do you not realise that reducing the debate to such base standards does you no favours.
You said God raped Mary. Define rape. Exactly, so why does it follow as the only conclusion as you put it that God raped Mary.
Oh Uncle Sam - extremists like you are not objective in the slightest: you simply hate Israel, and terms like "ethnic cleansing" and "aparthied" are factually incorrect..do you really think you are part of the solution in the Middle East, with hysterical language like that? A; you aren't..
Jankaas - Boko Haram murdered a hostage Briton and an Italian two days ago: their goal is to impose an even more hardline sharia in Nigeria, esp the North..that is a crime/programme explicitly in Islam's name.
The murders documented by Julia Harris are all explicitly for a cause or agenda or programme - in Thailand it is to secede from the majority Buddhists and set up a sharia-ruled southern province; in Pakistan it is often sectarian - Sunni against Shias, or Ahmadis, or indeed Christians; in Iran the victims are often the minority, the Sunni, who have their own terror group, Jundullah, attacking the majority Shias: in Bahrain murder is openly sectarian and on and on, but all these thousands and thousands of murders are religously inspired..they are not the usual domestic or dispute/greed caused murders, these are explicitly done in the name of their brand of Islam, fact.
But you knew all that already didnt you...
Us Europeans are such disgusting pigs, aren't we, Khosrow? I think your post must have taken a while to write, so it's a shame that it's such a puddle of self-abasing cliché.
The criticism of Israel = anti Semitism ploy is one that Zionists can no longer get away with.
Re Mariella@18.38: You see, admitting that Israel is a democracy is not that difficult.
I am often asked for a working definition of modern-day antisemitsm. Here 'tis, courtesy one "Mariella":
"I afell sure you have a really wonderful life. It really shows!!! SHALOM!!!!
In 2003 Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University uttered this apocalyptic vision of how Israel would use its nuclear arsenal: "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.'. The World will be a safer place with a nuclear free Middle East since there is not a country there that can be trusted to have them. Israel should surrender it nuclear arsenal in exchange for Iran giving up its nuclear ambitions be they civil or military.
Is this some new MPAC tactic. You Islamist scum persecute Christians in Iraq and Egypt and now claim that the God of Christ is a rapist. Is this what they now teach you in your mosques you offensive little shit.
So to bid farewell using the term Shalom is anti Semitic. WHy don't you say something which makes sense. The depth of your intellect is overwhelming me!!!! I really feel I have much to learn from you.
People like Rentoul were perfectly summed up by George Orwell in Homage to Catalonia
"The people who write that kind of stuff never fight; possibly they believe that to write it is a substitute for fighting. It is the same in all wars; the soldiers do the fighting, the journalists do the shouting, and no true patriot ever gets near a front-line trench, except on the briefest of propaganda-tours. Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him."
"You said God raped Mary."
you don't know what statutory rape means? ffs...you don't know much do you.
Mary was underage, meaning she could not give informed consent when being impregnated by God, which means in the eyes of the Law she was raped.
God raped Mary, fact.
over to you.
It is true that not all criticism of Israel is antisemitic. What is undeniable however is that many critics of 'Zionism' link to websites of Holocaust deniers or plain vanilla antisemites. Indeed, there are prominent websites where critics of Israel and 'Zionism' use this as a cover to demonise Israel in such a way so far removed from reality, and SINGULARILY SO, that it is clear that it is antisemitism.
When an attempt is made to point out that SOME criticism of Israel is antisemitic then immediately the cry goes up that an attempt is being made to prevent criticism of Israel.
That attempt may not in itself be antisemitic but is totalitarian in nature.
There is an excellent website which campaigns on this issue:
To say that all criticism of Israel is antisemitism is absurd as claiming that all Muslims are either to blame for terrorism carried out in the name of Islam or that all muslims think like the terrorists.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.