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Iran Watch, part 6.
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MPAC have certainly got it together tonight. Maybe even Ms Heseltine has got on board..
Fight the good fight - destroy Israel and Arabs can get back to being the peaceful folk they always were..
How about this quote? "Rafsanjani spoke at the Qods Day (Jerusalem Day) rallies, which are held on the last Friday of Ramadan, and in 2001 fell on 14 December. "You should make the world understand that Israel is the oppressor and that Israel must be destroyed," Ayatollah Ali Meshkini said during the nationally televised 8 December Friday Prayers in Qom.
@Parkour Pete: Yes,absolutely. Some of them have a tendency to deviate from the script. Arminius, is another one. On the other thread, he suddenly launched into an attack on Jews.
They're all coming out of the woodwork now.
The advertisement in the New York Times on April 30th, 2010 ran as: How do we stop Iran from getting Nuclear weapons and funding terror. The sponsors listed in the ad are:
•The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
•Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations
•Jewish Council for Public Affairs (JCPA)
•The Jewish Federations of North America
•American Jewish Committee (AJC)
•Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
•Union for Reform Judaism
•The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
•Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
•National Council of Jewish Women (NCJW)
•American Jewish Congress
•Women's League for Conservative Judaism
•B'nai B'rith International
•Jewish War Veterans of the United States
•Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life
Thank you for your last comment addressed to me, Alexander (and your previous one which I didn't acknowledge). It's good to know that we can agree to disagree in a civil way.
Peddling more falsehoods, yet again Alexander. Ahmadiniajad never EXPLICITLY ADVOCATED THE USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS AGAINST ISRAEL to use your own words.
This is what he said:
TEHRAN – Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that the Islamic republic did not need a nuclear bomb to confront the U.S., in comments made ahead of the release of a new report from the U.N. atomic watchdog.
"If America wants to confront the Iranian nation, it will certainly regret the Iranian nation's response," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the IRNA news agency. "They are saying that Iran is seeking the atomic bomb. But they should know ... we do not need a bomb ... Rather we will act thoughtfully and with logic. History has shown that anyone acting against the Iranian nation regrets it."
You are always banging on about the Nazis what did you actually do to fight them. Let me think..... WHy are you being so secretive
That is a brilliant pun!!!
THE THORNY QUESTION OF DUAL LOYALTYpihttp://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/tablet-describes-american-veterans-of-idf-experiencing-dual-loyalty-issues.html Adam Chandler at Tablet describes a group of American veterans of the Israeli army who meet in New York. It is named Aluf Stone after an American soldier of an earlier generation who went to serve in Israel. I know we're not allowed to talk about dual loyalty. But in this day and age sometimes we have to. How many other foreign armies are calling to American youth?
It is very much my business and the reader's business. Come on dodger, did you serve or not? WHat are you hiding?
Since we have discussed the Royal Family before, could this quotation help? "Philip said that he was never ‘conscious of anybody in the family actually expressing anti-Semitic views,’ but acknowledged that that there were ‘inhibitions about the Jews’ and ‘jealousy of their success.’ I m ean, this jealousy might, just might, explain anti-Semitism, might it not?
Another extremely relevant argument from you. But I am not going to play your game.
Since the issue of Rentoul has been linked with Blair, are we not entitled to call for Blair's sacking from the Quartet. I believe Blair since he left office has never missed an opporunity to ratchet up the drumbeat of war against Iran. How can he be considered an honest broker for peace when he is banging the same drum as Israel. His intervention on the illegal settlement question has been pitiful.
GAZA WAR A MILTARY EXPEIRMENT ON WAR WITH IRAN Israeli official on Gaza attack: ‘In a sense, this was a mini-drill for Iran’
Israelis see Iran 'mini-drill' in Gaza escalation
JERUSALEM (Reuters) 14 Mar -- Israel has emerged from the past few days of fighting with Palestinians in Gaza more confident that its advanced missile shield and civil defences can perform well in any war with Iran. "In a sense, this was a mini-drill" for Iran, an Israeli official said Tuesday after an Egyptian-brokered truce took hold, leaving 25 dead in the Gaza Strip and three people wounded in Israel. "There are significant differences, of course, but the basic principles regarding the 'day after' scenarios are similar," the official said, alluding to Iran's threat to respond to any "pre-emptive strike" on its nuclear facilities by firing ballistic missiles at Israel.Link to www.maannews.net
They are even using Neturei Karta as allies. Wonderful - the ultraleftist fanatics using an ultraorthodox Jewish organization that opposes Israel on religious grounds. But do not worry, Jackamo, they will not be able to destroy Israel, no matter how much they lie and distort things. Intelligent people know who is who and what is what. Most Americans, for example, support a U.S. military strike against Iran if Iran does not abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons. All these ultraleftist Israel-bashers will not be able to sway them, thanks God.
You keep banging on about how self righteous you are, you keep talking about the truth which you alone and no one else can bring. So why are you so secretive on who you are.
Hold onto your seat folks, Alexander has got yet another one of his priceless myths to share with you. The root of all anti semitism might ?? be the result of jealousy.
YOU COULD NOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP. PRICELESS.
I believe George W Bush used the jealousy analogy after the 9/11 atack.
I hope the MPACUK cohort here don't spend all their hard earned cash on new Ipads!
Are you afraid of being masked. Hey, don't let me keep you. Busy as you are. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear as they say.
Thank you so much. As I said before, you are a great person to debate. If everybody who disagrees with me and people whose positions are similar to me had been like you, it would have been a pleasure.
Yes, thank you, JJ. And one could see how the level of the debate kept deteriorating. Mariella was a kind of fanatic, but it least she did not descend to the kind of verbal abuse to which I was subjected first by Terry and then, even worse, by Yesboy. Now I am almost longing for Mariella! Yes, they say there is no limit to evil, but in the case of some outbursts it came pretty close to the limit of what can be tolerated.
Julia, I am sorry to say you are living a fantasy, you even needed to question whether I have visited Israel, I would ask the same of you. Have you ever visited Israel, did you speak with any Israeli arabs? Did you ever speak to any of the Rabbis or groups in Israel for Human Rights? Did you ever visit any of the settlements in the occupied territories? Did you ever speak with a Palestinian arab, muslim or christian living in the West Bank? I would find it really difficult to believe you have done any of these things if you can say "Its a great vibrant country, its demonized in the press, the reality is something amazing." You are either on some hallucinogenic drug or have never ventured out of Tel Aviv, which I agree is a beautiful city but that does not change the fact that Israel is an apartheid state. You really should question yourself and your motives if you are at all interested in the future of this country. I am and am saddened by what I see. I wish you could open your eyes and see the truth...
Alexander, I did just take the trouble of scrolling back up through reams of circular argument and cut-and-paste jobs to find that quote again, and no, Rafsanjani said nothing of the sort. In fact, he didn't even refer to Iran, but to the Islamic world as a whole, saying that its acquisition (rather than use) of such a weapon would lead to a stalemate. Here it is again:
"If a day comes when the WORLD OF ISLAM is duly EQUIPPED with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a STALEMATE because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world." (My emphasis).
As for your second quote, I agree that the rhetoric is distasteful although it is no more than that (the date and place is a bit of a clue). As you can see it was said by Ayatollah Meshkini (not Rafsanjani) and was made 11 years ago. A notorious hardliner, Meshkini actually died five years ago and presumably no longer poses much of a threat.
By the way, I sincerely hope your comment about anti-Semitism wasn't directed at me.
Israeli Rabbi who teaches that non-Jews are to serve Jews sets up shop in US
Let me get this right. You claim to feel moral outrage about anti-semitism, Yet you will not divulge anything about yourself so that we can get the measure of your sincerity. Don't make sense to me, matey
Are you capable of reading, Mariella?(that you are not capable of logic, we already know). To anybody who has read my post, it is clear that I was speaking of Mr. RAFSANJANI, not Mr. Ahmadinejad. So, your rhetorical blast was wasted. Keep reading!!! Or, maybe, you can go back to school.
Done just that Not all of them, too many. Lot of propaganda and bull if you ask me.
Israeli military base attacked by Jewish extremists in West Bank
Attack came hours after settlers stormed monument as some say 'homegrown terrorism' is now greatest threat to security
Julia, you didn't stick in my mind your incredible hate and ignorance baffles me.
Never described myself as left wing but if you have to always box people to reconfirm your delusional world view i cant do anything about that.
Julia, Muslims don't live under Islam they live with Islam.
The highest expression of faith is not the political manifestation of a nation state.
You'll never understand that because you have no clue about Islam and Muslims.
The vast majority of Muslims are not calling for an Islamic state the way Zionist Jews call for a Jewish state.
take John summers for example, who becomes a Mulim in the UK, he cannot go to Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country for that matter, and become a citizen with full rights with government subsidies to resettle on stolen illegal land.
No Muslim from the New York or London can simply go to Riyadh or Islamabad, Tehran and become a citizen of the country simply because they are Muslims.
The difference between a Jewish state and a Muslim state is pretty clear to me.
one is descriptive the other is an idealogical project exactly like the global jihadists who want to create an Islamic state in the model of Israel, where every Muslims from around the world has a stake and are subsidised to migrate and claim their imaginary ancestral land.
This aberration will never succeed because no Muslim nation and the vast majority of Muslims will reject it totally.
the problem with Israel is, what was also once a heresy, a cult, has hijacked Judaism and the Jews.
The cult of Zionism due to various reasons has succeed where Jihadist Muslim will fail.
Israel is the logical conclusion of what global juhadists want, a pure Islamic state, accessible to all the 1.6 billion Muslims.
Its an ugly prospect i know.
Hate and Anti-Semitism
You can keep provoking until the cows come home. I have no desire, obligation, or reason to disclose anything personal just because you want this. I thought this page was about arguments, but, obviously, since you cannot fight arguments, you resort to these provocations. Not the first time, nor will it be the last one.
Except that this is not a myth, Mariella. And the phrase I quoted comes not from Zionists, but from Prince Philip himself. And I did not say that this is the root of all anti-Semitism. However, this is, certainly, one of the reasons. And Israel is a kind of embodiment of this success, this is part of the motivaton behind anti-Israelism. lrtainlythis is not
NBC reports Newt Gingrich’s leading backer, Sheldon Adelson, speaking in Israel in 2010, said:
I am not Israeli, the uniform that I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform, although my wife was in the IDF, and one of my daughters was in the IDF, and my two little boys — our two little boys one of whom will be bar mitzvahed tomorrow… hopefully he’ll come back [to Israel], his hobby is shooting and he’ll come back and be a sniper for the IDF.
“All we care about is being good Zionists, being good citizens of Israel, because even though I am not Israeli born, Israel is in my heart,” he said toward the end of his talk.
Sig Rogich, a veteran Republican operative who serves as Adelson’s government affairs consultant, when asked about Adelson’s comments said: “No one could possibly ever think that he is anything but a loyal American. He’s shown that time and time again.”
We Can Live with a Nuclear Iran
Fears of a bomb in Tehran’s hands are overhyped, and a war to prevent it would be a disaster.
By Paul Pillar
Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, Leroy.
Nobody is listening to what you have to say Alexander. If you say I am incapable of logic, then it must be so. If you say I must go back to school, so be it. It must be right if you say so Alexander.
You are now getting into reductio ad absurdum territory. So everything that happended in Iran can be reduced to the behaviour of one man, no two men. I really am convinced with the compelling arguments put forward by you.
I did a quick Google serarch and found that most of the websites which were repeating this alleged comment by Rafsanjani are in fact pro-Israeli forums.
Let us not forget also that not too long ago Rafsanjani was being touted by the West as being the moderate face of Iran.
Yes, JJ, thank you so much, my point was that, whatever our views are, we can discuss them in a civilized and polite manner. It does not take much to use words like "jerk", "idiot", "scum", and so far. Let us welcome all opinions, even those that we disagree with, but let us not insult each other. In fact, besides showing bad manners, insults are counterproductive, since they alienate the other side which, presumably, one is trying to convince.
The Dilemmas of Israeli Power
By ROGER COHEN
Published: February 13, 2012
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LONDON — Peter Beinart’s “The Crisis of Zionism” is an important new book that rejects the manipulation of Jewish victimhood in the name of Israel’s domination of the Palestinians and asserts that the real issue for Jews today is not the challenge of weakness but the demands of power.
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“We are being asked to perpetuate a narrative of victimhood that evades the central Jewish question of our age: the question of how to ethically wield Jewish power,” he writes. That power, for 45 years now, has been exercised over millions of Palestinians who enjoy none of the rights of citizenship and all the humiliations of an occupied
Where is Jankaas, it seems he has lost the stomach for a good fight.
Olijaan, we may disagree on the interpretaton of this particular phrase and on the anti-Israelism projected by Iran, but I would like to assure you that the anti-Semitism reference was not directed at you. If everybody who does not agree with me had been like you it would have been a pleasure. You are very reasonable, do not engage in cheap rhetoric and demagoguery, and I respect you greatly, even while disagreeing with you. However, unfortunately most of my opponents are more like Mariella, and this says it all. I am not confusing you with the likes of Mariella at all.
@JJ and Parkour Pete
I agree with you. The reference to Friday night was a cheap shot and unmasks the blogger in question.
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No to AIPAC, No to Israel, and No to War
by Sheldon Richman, March 5, 2012
Those who hoped President Obama might bring a new approach to foreign policy have been repeatedly disappointed. On Sunday, Obama had a chance to partially redeem himself. He failed. Speaking at the conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), he declared, “I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say. That includes all elements of American power.”
All elements. That includes nuclear weapons.
Debating fanatics. There's a clue. Are you part of the new BNP or the new EDL, which one. Touched a nerve.
About the "moderation" of the Ayatollah, I still remember an old cartoon, will, probably, never forget it. It features Khomeini and Khatami, both ready to behead somebody. However, while Khomeini says:" Die, infidel!", Khatami says:"It hurts me more than it hurts you".
Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?
by Dan Eden
Please also see Omert Humiliates America and Who Controls Hollywood and the Media?.
Someone wrote and asked me, "Why are there Israeli- but not Mexican-American Dual Nationals?"
Well, here's my take on this. I'd also like your views and opinions.
Before I begin I'd like to day something important. There is a new law -- the so-called "Hate Speech" law, that just passed the House and is expected to pass the Senate and become law very soon. It was originally designed to guard against discrimination of oppressed minorities but was soon recognized as a way for Israel to forever end any criticism of the state of Israel and Zionism. When it is law, this page, and many like it will be deleted from the internet as yet another mile marker of the infringement of truth and free speech by certain dual-nationals at the expense of true and patriotic Americans. Enough said.
Unless we are Native American Indians, all Americans have their origins in some other country. Both of my parents were from England. They were proud to be "British" but they were most proud of achieving their American citizenship. Sure, we had pictures of the Queen and nick-nacks with the Union Jack on them. My mother even celebrated the traditional 4 o'clock tea time and was good at making Yorkshire Pudding. In the late 60's my older brother served in the US Army and did his tour in Viet Nam. When it came down to "allegiance," we were all patriotic Americans. Period.
The word "allegiance" means that we promise loyalty. It also carries with it the expectation that this loyalty will be exclusive and unrestrained. In the case of a declared war or real threat or conflict, for example, our allegiance to America should preclude any other interest, be it another country or political ideology.
When they took their oath to become American citizens, my parents had to pledge their "allegiance" exclusively to America and renounce their allegiance to "any and all foreign governments." That included Great Britain, one of our strongest allies.
Before Viewzone asked me to research the meaning of "dual citizenship," I had never heard of the term. How could someone be a citizen of two countries at the same time? But I was just ignorant. Dual nationalities and citizenships are quite common.
From my internet research, I learned that in 1997, a French Canadian with a U.S. passport ran for mayor of Plattsburgh, N.Y. He argued that the incumbent spoke French too poorly to be running a city so close to Quebec. He lost. Also in 1997, a retired top American official for the U.S. EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) ran for president of Lithuania. He was inaugurated in February to a burst of fireworks!
In 1996, Dominicans from New York not only could vote in the Dominican Republic's presidential elections for the first time, they could vote for a fellow New Yorker. Multiple nationalities have become so commonplace that some analysts fear the trend is undermining the notion of nationhood, particularly in the place with the most diverse citizenry on Earth: the United States.
Debate over the issue intensified in the late 1990s, when Mexico joined the growing list of poor nations that say it's OK for their nationals to be citizens of the countries to which they have migrated. Under the law that took effect in 1998 Mexicans abroad -- most of them in the United States -- will be able to retain Mexican citizenship even if they seek U.S. citizenship. And naturalized Americans of Mexican descent will be able to reclaim their original citizenship. The Mexican government stopped short, for now, of giving expatriates the right to vote.
Since citizenship carries with it a responsibility to be exclusively loyal to one country, the whole concept of dual citizenship and nationality raises questions about which of the dual citizenships have priority. This is extremely important when the two countries have opposing interests. It can be a deadly problem when a dual citizen is in a high position within our American government.
Netanyahu's conspiracy to drag the U.S. to war
'Sometime between early June and mid-August, just before the Republican nominating convention, will be the ideal moment to drag the United States into war, the planners believe.'
By Sefi Rachlevsky
So there you have it, another myth posted by Alexander. That same old tired myth that any criticism of Israel is rooted in anti-semitism.
Keep digging, get out another one of your gems!!
Canadian Jews Denounce Israeli War Threats Against Iran
Sunday, 18 March 2012 08:00
@ Uncle Sam
I do not believe you will succeed in opening Julia's mind along with the many others who post on this website. I guarantee your contributions will be met with the usual barrage of anti Semitism, anti Israel charges etc etc. There is no frank intellectual discourse as far as the Zionist lobby is concerned.
Their view of the world is: its my way or no way. END OF!!!
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.