"Julia

"I back up my posts with reasoned facts"

cool, let'e put that to the test then.

you believe that Muslims do bad things because of Islam yes or no?

if it's a no, then i owe you an apology as that is how it comes across in all your posts.

but if it's a yes then you have to accept the following as equally true; the followers of the Lords Resistance Army do bad things because of Christianity.

over to you then...

@ Armius. I'm happy for you to call me a Stalinist apologist and the first one you've seen on the NS threads. It must be a novelty for you to read a different perspective from the regurgitated bilge about ZioIslamism that passes for debate these days esp from the likes of Mehdi Hasan. However I'm not one, as I know that Stalin was just as murderous as Hitler. The Bolsheviks seized power in a coup in 1918, the war of intervention by the Allies backing Kolchack and who can forget Trotskys suppressing the Anarchists of the Ukraine. However the Nazis were far, far worse. Hitlers creed based on racism folly which as well as murdering millions meant the Germans were guaranteed to lose the war, without persecuting Jews the Germans could well have had the Atomic bomb. The Ukranians might well have turned against the Soviets they initially welcomed the Germans in. The German General staff said the ONLY way they could win in USSR was by treating asthe war as an extention of the civil war, Hitler refused saying all Slavs were Untermenschand should be treated like slaves or delibrately starved to death. That of course is all a moot point as any would be conquorer who decides to take on Russia is a lunatic and doomed to fail as Naploeon did a century before. Hitler in his lunacy must have looked at a German map of Russia and thought Siberia? whats all the fuss its just the Black Forest but a little bigger, Regarding the elements of the Cossacks and Vlassov troops they were Traitors who sided with an enemy in wartime. Any country would have treated its traitors in the same way and did. It was good old anti semitism that seduced them into joining the Huns in the first place. All this is history we could go on and on through Op Barbarossa to the fall of Belin , but your side lost, and I don't think Angela Merkyl is going to try it on with Russia. I would reccomend to you a film called 'Come and See' a Russian movie and not a hollywood whitewash of 'good' nazis such as Rommel.

As for Greece I have only admiration for a culture that was building Temples and inventing philosophy and politics itself, whilst the Germans hadn't come out of their forests and given mankind their contribution to civilisation; the invention of Stuka divebombers , blitzkrieg warfare and your personal favourite Cyclon B. I reserve my biggest admiration and personal affection for the old man who as a youngster climbed up the Acropolis and threw down the swastika flag, he is leading fight back the German imposed austerity measures and cuts. You will recall that as well as inventing western civilisation, they fight against oppressors and win , first against the Islamist Ottomans then the Nazis and then the Colonels.

As for thisThe rest of your post about "The Hun is up too his old tricks again" is pure Daily Mail racism of the sort now also being inflicted on the Scots also. It may please a certain type of Little Englander but personally I find it quite sickening.

Its quite hilarious that you find it 'sickening' , given that you think its a jolly wheeze to pretend to be an SS Guard shouting insults at Jewish people in German and then come over all lefty internationlist calling people 'little Englanders'. The cartoons produced by Greek papers showing Merkyl in a nazi uniform are quite appropriate, though i prefer our own Steve Belle showing her dressed in fetish gear with a picklehaube for comedy value. As for calling me a Daily Mail reader please save your self the effort I couldn't care less as the DM is just one bad paper amongst many including the Indy, The Graun as they all support the Neo- Livb Capitalist 'TINA' agenda. You also mentioned the Scots I have no idea what you are taling about. Did the DM call them ALL Huns or was that just supporters of Rangers FC

I'm not entirely sure WHY Israel should want to share its country with people sworn to its destruction and with a fanatical hatred of Jews? Secular, Zionist Israel used to be backed by the left wing. No longer, it seems.

JJ - "And thank god for the Soviet Union for its sacrifices in the war against the Hun" - I already knew your were a moral imbecile and racist but I did not have you pegged as a cheerleader for the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was responsible for the death of countless millions far more than Nazi Germany and including many from your beloved Hebrew tribe. The Soviet Union sacrificed nothing until it was forced into the war prematurely by Operation Barbarossa (which is considered by some as a "preemtive strike of the type the Israeli use - Nazis are not the only ones to use euphamisms to disguise their aggression). If you must thank anyone for defeating Nazi Germany, thank Britain and the Western Allies who liberated part of Europe whuilst the Soviet Union enslaved part of it.

Mehdi Hasan - you are again spouting your usual blinkered anti-Israel nonsense. Not only are your extreme views insulting, they are verging on racism.

You claim that Israel "also happens to illegally occupy Palestinian land". Please would you clarify exactly where this so-called 'Palestinian' land is? I can only assume that you are refering to the Gaza Strip and West Bank - both areas of land won by Israel during a war instigated by her enemies in 1967. Well Mehdi, be aware that these areas were not 'Palestinian' - the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian Control, and the West Bank under Jordanian. So, I would ask again, please clarify what Palestinian land is Israel occupying? Maybe you could give me the name of a road or town, or maybe some map co-ordinates?

You then go on to say that Israel denies "Palestinians both self-determination and voting rights". Please Mehdi, please clarify who these Palestinians are, who Israel is denying the vote. The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were absolutely given the right to vote by Israel - they did so in January of 2006, and voted in an Iranian-back terrorist group to govern them. If anyone is denying these Palestinians the right to vote, it is the leaders of Hamas, who presumably no-longer feel that elections are necessary - certainly not since they took to throwing their Fatah opponents from rooftops after the 2006 elections.

If you are refering to the Palestinian population within Israel, then let me assure you Mehdi, that they do have exactly the same voting rights as 'ordinary' Israelis (Jews, Mehdi). Not only do they have voting rights, they have their own political parties, including Hadash, Balad, and United Arab List. They have members of Parliament, and mayors, councillors, and Judges throughout the country. The deputy-Speaker of the Knesset (parliament) is a Palestinian - Ahmad Tibi of the Ta'Al political party.

You talk about your desire for Israel to become a Secular (ie non-Jewish) state, yet how many of the Arab states in the Middle East could be described as secular? Not one that I can think of. Indeed, the most-secular country in the region, of most recent years, was probably Turkey, which now appears to have given up in its desire to join the EU, and is forging ever-closer links with the likes of Iran.

Mehdi, it may suit your argument for Israel to be the 'apartheid state' that Jenny Tonge has accused it of being, but the fact remains that it isn't, never has been, and never will be.

Mehdi you got a face i just wanna slap the shit out of.

“you believe that Muslims do bad things because of Islam yes or no?”
I believe that Islam as a Totalitarian Ideology has in its place the structure to actively promote hatred, terror, violence and humans rights abuses against its own people and also those not affiliated by it i.e Infidels. I don’t think all Muslims adhere to these principals and don’t think Muslim people are intrinsically bad, however many are uneducated and thus have had their minds programmed by an infection of the mind called ‘Islam’.

TBH, I hadn’t heard the The Lords Resistance Army but reading there description of Wikipedia (that I presume to be accurate we could argue the point that yes they have Christianity as one aspect of their warped agenda and so it would be very easy to say that they do bad things because of Christianity. But is that accurate? And does it tell us the whole story? For me it doesn’t as they use a whole host of other “local religious rituals, mysticism, traditional religion, Acholi nationalism including Christianity.” So they are a multifaceted group, borrowing from here and taking from there and what we need to ask is “ did Christianity create this group in its current guise and/or did it create the basis for the groups atrocities over and above the other rituals its follows? Or has this group been formed from the “larger armed resistance movement waged by some of the Acholi people against a central Ugandan government” and thus again borrowed from here and taken from their parts of different beliefs into its own, but its violent agenda was firmly in place without the need for Christianity to exist and influence it?

I would say the later would be true, that Christianity has been used by an already violent group as part of there political manifesto and that Christianity wasn’t and hasn’t been the overriding influence to it, or the catalyst to start the group and see it spread across the region and world, as we see with Islamic hate groups, discuss.

Hey Arminius a very warm sieg HEIL to you. I was just wondering if you get some untermenchen to polish your jackboots for you in the morning.

Marion is Laura stuart/Jerseylily an MPACUK stalwart and avowed anti-semite

Julia Harris, what a silly claim about who has made the two state solution impossible; the people who have scattered settlements all over the West Bank are Israelis. Where exactly were you planning to put the other state?

Baroness Tonge is correct about the Israeli lobby in the UK (all the major parties have their "friends of Israel" groups including her own party with members up to and including Prime Minister) and other countries (especially the USA) but she must surely have realised that, because of this lobby, her comments would not go unpunished. You do not combat this lobby by becoming the political equivelant of a "suicide bomber".

I don't think Islam will last forever.
I think thhe racist apartheid state of Pakistan should cease to exist.
Hope your not offended Mehdi?

Hey Arminius you Islamist scum - do you still regret that the Holocaust 'incomplete' and that Jews are 'zhids'? How unsurprising to find a racist anti-Semitic Islamist bigot standing up for Tonge.

Maximillian - Maybe you are related to Avraham Stern, the founder of the Lehi terrorist group who so despised the British that he was prepared to collaborate with Nazi Germany against the British and who saw no difference between Hitler and Chamberlain. I suspect the best part of you ran down your mother's leg.

It comes as no surprise that the dreykop drek kosher fascist Maximillian can understand German since it is similar to Jiddish. He associates German with Naziism since, in common with most Jewish extremists, he has an extreme racial prejudice against Germans. This is far more pronounced than the general contempt they hold for all Goyim, more even than the hatred they have for the Arabs.

Agoodword,

Do you agree with Ken O'Keefe's views? Or not?

Dear All

It is agreed that the two-state solution is the only practical way of resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict.

There should not be anyone who rejects the rights of Israelis or of Palestinians. However, UN Resolutions (of which there are over 150) and the ruling of the International Court of Justice in the Hague pertaining to the illegal 'separation barrier' (3 times the length of the Berlin Wall) should be fully recognised by the current Government of Israel.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu also rejects the requirement of the Road Map (2003) to end illegal settlement expansion which is threatening the viability of a two-state solution and Palestine's existence. He has also ignored the US requests for peace to be based on the 1967 lines.

Mr Netanyahu opposed UNESCO's recognition of Palestine last year (supported by France, Spain, Ireland and Norway). Also Israel disagreed with 6 UN Resolutions passed late last year including one pertaining to Jerusalem (supported by 166 nations plus the UK).

Incidentally, there are 130 nations in the world that currently recognise the State of Palestine (that include India, China, Brazil, Russia, Malaysia, South Africa, Indonesia, and more recently Iceland and Thailand).

Israel and Palestine are hear to stay and Palestine's viability and contiguity must not be questioned. Similarly Israel's right to exist should not be questioned either. International law must be implemented and a comprehensive peace brought about.

Thank you.

What's wrong with a multi-ethnic, secular democratic state?
The sharing of drinking-fountains? equality? justice?

The better question is why you suppose anyone who condemns Israeli expansionism has anything to do with kens view on 911. That's not far off from making a link between my views on cars with my views on lakes. What is your point.

Let me attempt to remedy your intellectual ailment. It is possible, as it's been done by many many times by distinguished people to make the case for Israeli expansionism, ethnic cleansing israeli apartheid and more without believing 911 was carried out by Mossad.

If you need another dose or want me to prescribe more mental pills get back to me. We could even meet and I'll heal your ailment.

People like Nick Clegg can be "bought" and "sold" if one has the right amount of Pound Sterling!

You ask me what the solution is?

Peace and a commitment to it from Hamas,Hezbollah,Iran et al as well as Israel is the solution.

And another thing why are so many of you anti-Semites so hateful of white middle aged men?

^

anyone can be bought, everyone has a price, it's just that for someone in real position of power that price should be unaffordable.

Yet again Ed Miliband has shown himself to be completely behind the curve. The truth is that if Israel is allowed to continue its expansionist policies on the West Bank, the remaining Arab land will not longer constitute a viable state. The one state solution then becomes the only real possibility.

Oh come on...the quote (which I believe was actually "Israel is not going to be there for ever in its present performance") was prefaced by "Beware Israel!" and followed by her saying that the US would withdraw support and finished by "they will not go on forever, they will not go on forever and then they will reap what they have sown"
Of course it was going to stir up controversy - it doesn't sound any different from the sort of stuff that comes out of Tehran!

Why is the UK poltical establishment running scared of the Israeli lobby. Even the BBC which is paid for by taxpayers is not allowed to mention the word Palestine.