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I'm quite lonely sometimes.
Nigerian church razed in Senegal, by citizen Okey
An eight-year-old Pakistani girl was kidnapped by militants who forced her to wear a suicide vest to attack security forces, police said on Monday.
Suspected members of a radical Islamist sect which bombed Nigerian police headquarters on Sunday opened fire on a crowd of card players killing two in a northern city, a senior military officer said.
Terrorist leader's son set to take reins.
The man feared as the new face of terrorism finally enters the small room in central Java through a path his followers create as they shuffle back to let him through
Suicide bomber in wheelchair kills two in IraqBayt News Agency, June 28:
Always thought that poor Melanie had some bizarre notion that lying constantly about the nature of "The Land Of Milk And Honey" would give her a kind of stature amongst the Charles Bronfmans of the world. Odd thing, they couldn't stand to be around her, either. There will always be a home for her kind of tormented guttersniping, disheveled and rank as it may be.
2011.06.28 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - At least ten innocents lose their lives to a coordinated Fedayeen attack on their luxury hotel.
2011.06.28 (Panjwai, Afghanistan) - Two women are killed, and a child injured, by Taliban roadside bombers.
2011.06.27 (Darra Adamkhel, Pakistan) - A woman is among two killed when Islamic militants send a shell into a home.
2011.06.27 (Jabalah, Iraq) - Sunni bombers take out one mourner at a Shia funeral.
2011.06.27 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Two young girls are blown to bits by Islamic bombers.
2011.06.27 (Ghazni, Afghanistan) - Two children are among seven civilians torn apart by two Taliban roadside blasts.
Egypt: Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Warns Of “American-Zionist” Conspiracy To Hold Muslims Down, “Allah Has Warned Us The Tricks Of The Jews”…
There are neocon, right wing journalists and loads of left wing ones too. Whatever their arguments and even if you don't agree with them, they make their points and you can debate their views.
I just don't get Phillips. Her appearances on bbc question time and some of her articles over the last few years, have been bizarre. I found many of them cringe worthy. I was expecting her to say that Freddie Star ate her hamster next. (At least that would be entertaining). Losing the plot and car crash are phrases that come to mind. I think that if she was on my team, I would advocate an exit strategy as soon as possible. Apologies if we find that she is suffering some illness or another like Ronald Reagan. But her behaviour of late, has been odd to say the least.
Come on Julia Harris.. who is the ignorant psycho-babbylist NOW?
Wakey wakey! Smell the farckin shitty poisonous coffee. A bit radioactive? A bit car-so-genic? Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Friday. yea frackin yea.
What are you eating and drinking today Julia Harris? Something poisonous? A stupid place to live for stupid people is the Northern Hemisphere.
I'm in inland Australia relaxing ... where are you?
Have a nice day.
Can't see the wood for the trees. Smell and swallow the poison instead.
FUCKING DICKHEAD JULIA HARRIS
Americans have been poisoning themselves. Underground gas deposits in shale have resulted in thousands of wells stunk all over the United States but especially in the mountainous areas of the Rockies and the Appalachians. The extraction involves vast quantities of chemicals which get into the water supply ... and thus into the food chain.
There is no way I would eat or drink anything in the United States.
Americans don't need fanatical Muslims to kill them because they are slowly doing it to themselves and their children's.
Mad Mel is a BBC stalwart - what does that say about the BBC?
Mr Danger writes, "John Pilger that has said that a majority of Black South Africans were 'betrayed' by Mandela who let apartheid 'continue by other means'."
Well, the question arises, is what Pilger says true or not?
Try reading Michel Chossudovsky's book, The globalization of poverty. It presents some useful evidence.
When will Mehdi apologize for stating that "non-Moslems live like animals"?
so much for freedom of speech heh,,its seems that anybody who has far left or ultra left wing views has 100% freedom of speech these days...i have always suspected that the left are more vile than the rigtht and have more in commen with the antics of the likes of communist china and the dictators of burma and this decision to by the gutless spectator to ditch melanie philips from there sour rag proves to me that the left are more fascist in there thinking than the right,,and in fact this silencing of melanie philips has the stench of anti semtism in my books ditto,,!!goodbye melanie philips snarls medhi hassan in his self superior smugness"",,shame on you left wing trolls who have more in commen with stalin and hitler than the democratic values that encourages healhty debate,,shame on you medhi hassan,,shame on you...
The choice of the bizarre and chippy Baroness Warsi as a source of all that's good about attacking Melanie Phillips is unfortunate. This is someone who has oput the clock back ten years for all women and especially those of a Muslim persuasion. Whatever you think of Phillips' politics, she is much more intelligent than Warsi.
Stuart you're insane.
And danger you proved me right
Cheers Mehdi, that bio was one of the funniest things I've read for a while...|X
"Well, she has more integrity and honesty as a journalist than you could ever hope to muster... at least she doesn't dub those who disagree with her world view Kaffirs. She has the courage to get involved in the debate and in the argument, whereas you cry 'Islamophobia' or some such nonsense when challenged on your writings."
You mispelt your own name. It's TOSH.
maybe insane mate,,but lets face the facts,,freedom of speech is dead in this country..and lets iron out the facts,,,hitler was more left wing than stalin..hence there non aggression treaty in 1939 before they fell out in 1941..but if i am really insane for saying that i plead guilty...when is britians no 1 war criminal tony blair going to share the same cell as ratko mladic in the hague for the 1 million innocent iraqis he murdered in his lies about wmds and setting the middle east on fire
Well I quite like reading the speccy - including Melanie's articles which are sometimes shocking but always seem genuine. In fact it's because some of her opinions are so extreme that one feels it only fair to send a comment in - as if to try and balance the dialogue somehow..but I have often wondered why some sent in good faith don't apparently get there..considering I never swear or say anything too awful.But then perhaps she has all along run her blogposts past him indoors before she hits "publish" if this is one of the normal tricks of the trade.
This is a tangential observation, Julia Harris: "RFM - your dull and boring and yes you are Idiot (sic)."
For future reference, Julia, before calling someone an idiot it is best to be sure that your own argument is not undermined by your inability to use the English language correctly. Spelling and grammar are still important.
You going to Jihad me Mr D?
Julia: Thank you for sources. I'll look into them. I DO NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING ANYONE SAYS ON THE INTERNET. DO YOU?
I think about things.
One thing that I want you to think about is about is 'terrorism'. What is the best way to kill people?
Is it water?
How would you poison water?
Think carefully about water and assess its importance.
Oh no Mr Divine! Don't cry mate dry your tears. If only I were strong enough I would join you but I got to go back into hospital next week. Don't cry for me Australia!
Jihad you! Of course not! You're very welcome to express your views Julia. You know me, I'm always messing around with words. I apologise that I swore at you.. I got carried away by my Friday night wine... there was really no need and I'm glad you took it so well and laughed at me. I deserved to be laughed at that for that.
But what abut the poison in the American water supply? What do you think about that?
Sad Mel; proof that tabloid journalese and over-blogging can corrupt a once articulate if wrong-headed journalist into mere abuse and trolling. In other regards, she was to the Spectator what JP has possibly become to the Staggers: an outlier that doesn't quite belong to the new team mission.
Israel: 63 years of trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
One of the most unpleasant women in the media today. I often think what a wonderful wife she would have made to Mandelson had things been different.
World civilisation: 60,000 years of trying to fit a huge erect square peg into a tiny tight round hole.
All by myself with nobody to talk to. I feel sorry for myself. I cry myself to sleep wondering if there is ever going to be a time when someone will talk to me face to face again. Must I live in this lonely computer screen hell?
Really Stuart Eels, you've made me cry.
Julia Harris, I might be an idiot (in fact, I probably most certainly am an idiot), but there is something which neither Melanie Phillips nor Christopher Hitchens, nor *scoff* Sam Harris can adequately explain away despite their elaborate lists of murder injunctions in the Quran. All of you claim that Islam wants to take over the West, that it is part of the tenets of faith of Islam to subjugate the Infidels. Ok, here in Britain, which if you lot are right is actually West Gazchechpakisudan, there has been no single incident of Islamic terror prior to 7/7. Madrid, a curious thing about that bombing is that like 7/7 it occurred after they, like us, decided to draw our lightsabers, mount our wookies and rid Iraq of nonexistant WMD which, if they are not already on their way here, could be launched at us in 45 minutes.
None of you 'realists' can explain why it took the Western invasion of a muslim country on false pretenses (that is, we lied contrary to the Biblical injunction against bearing false witness), to remind muslim litaral purists that they really should be in the business of taking over the West. Here is a major event in world history, but you, Melanie Phillips and the other eyes wide openers have determined that it had no consequences whatsoever. Madrid and 7/7 had nothing to do with our little dishonest adventure in Iraq, no, more probably some British muslims started reading the Quran again for the first time since moving here and discovered all those passages you quoted. Then, firstly, it made perfect sense to all of you, followed closely by near hysterical calls from you lot for the rest of us to open our eyes and see our conflict with British home grown terrorists as completely unrelated to George and Tony's Adventures in the Iraqi Wonderland. No, it's all to do with the fact that the Quran has hundreds of verses espousing violence against infidels.
And of course, all of this is taken so seriously by all muslims that all 1.4 billion of them are currently busy digging tunnels underneath the Mediterranean sea to come and blow us up. Again, none of you are able to adequately explain why if those verses in the Quran are so important to Islam, are there at best only a few thousands of people who pay attention to them while nearer to 1.4 billion muslims deem it to be not worth their attention.
In a way, you and Melanie Phillips do the same thing as Muslim extremists, yes, I mean exactly that. You distort events, lie about them if you will, in order to try and influence people to your view of the world in which we are victims of some plot by a bunch of really mean people who want to cause us harm. When we point out that most people don't seem to wait in ambush for us with scimitars, and that we need to look at whether their grievances against us have merits, you call us idiots, islamophiles, Chamberlains, anti-semites and what not. Yet, you still cannot explain why it is that your worldview, which you push so aggressively, is based only on a partial and distorted representation of reality.
Melanie Phillips is a woman not to be admired. She is liberal with facts, and hellbent on manipulating information to try and prove a point which she was going to believe with or without evidence. My favourite quote from Melanie is that human rights are derived from the Jewish faith, a pity that she didn't do proper historical research to discover that the laws of the Jewish faith are based on law codices which existed a thousand years before Judah even developed writing. No, human rights cannot be traced back to Hammurabi 1800 BCE, no, it has to be traced back to Judaism. Why? Why if it is obviously apparent that the laws of Moses were derived from existing law codices of other peoples in the Middle East, must we be made to believe that they are derived from Judaism?
In the world is upside down (it's actually not the world, but only Melanie Phillips which is upside down, hence the appearance of the world to be so), she traces the growth of unreason to the demise of christian and jewish faith in the west. This is an awesome claim, since religion itself has absolutely no rational foundations, she somehow manages to contrive that reason follows from being observant Christians and Jews (but not observant muslims, those become suicide bombers). Melanie Phillips can be summed up in one of two words, she is either dishonest, or she is inept. I think it's the latter to be honest.
Now, as someone who was for some unknown reason allowed to do some science (unreasonable science though, it was not based on the Bible), here is where you and Melanie go wrong. An explanation must not only cover why something occurred in the way it did, it must also cover why that same thing could not have occurred in some other way. All your long quotes of kill the infidel verses from the Quran fails to explain why 7/7 and Madrid are not the consequences of Iraq. Your lists fail to adequately explain why all but a few thousand out of 1.4 billion muslims are not engaged in taking over the West. Oh, it's because they are not true believers ... you checked all 1.4 billion of them yourself, did you?
As I said, I most probably am an idiot, but your method for assessing whether I am or not fails to pass a validity test. No wonder, since you got it from Melanie Phillips.
Meanwhile trying to post a non fawning comment on her Spectator blog site is impossible. Much weeping and gnashing of teeth from the Melanites but my comments don't seem to cut the mustard.
The words "Arabs" and "savages" seem to be a stumbling block. I also posted a comment on what i consider to Mel's greatest comedy moment,when she stated that the Selection of Sarah Palin as VP candidate was an inspired political masterstroke
BTW, Julia Harris, your claim that violent extremists are the more literal and dedicated to the Quran is very interesting. Here are some verses from the Quran dealing with Charity:
[21:73] "We made them (Abraham and his sons) imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat). To us, they were devoted worshipers."
[6:141] "Eat from their fruits, and give the due alms on the day of harvest"
[9:60] Charities(Sadaqaat) shall go to the poor, the needy, the workers who collect them, the new converts, to free the slaves, to those burdened by sudden expenses, in the cause of Allah, and to the traveling alien. Such is GOD's commandment. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
I would love to hear how you explain that Muslims who follow the above verses on charity but do not follow the verses on killing infidels do not follow the Quran literally or in a dedicated manner. You have opted for a definition of literalist and dedicated follower which is based on someone following your view of what the Quran says, anyone who has a different view of the Quran, say one who follows its instructions on charity and does so literally, cannot by your definition be a Quranic literalist, because, they are not obeying the verses which you emphasize. Can you explain to me what makes your reading of what the Quran is about so authoratitive and definitive? Do tell.
It's alright Medhi,lefties don't have to apologise when they make libelous accusations
Here's what Melanie Phillips has to say:
"... But the reason why I decided to bring this forward and resign from the Spectator with immediate effect was because of the apology it has published to Alastair Crooke over a blog post I wrote earlier this year.
"For legal reasons, I cannot go into the details. Suffice it to say the apology misrepresented my post and has thus given rise to the false assumptions that are now being published."
Melanie Mandelson... yes, it has a certain ring.
Julia Harris: Dull. Boring. Yes, an idiot. Noted.
I have also noted that you didn't answer any of the questions I posed you. Presumably they bored you.
But so what if the mosques in the US contain literature espousing violence? Every church and a large number of households in the USA contain literature which advocates the death penalty for disobedient children and the stoning of women who have sex before marriage. Let's not forget the calls for ethnic cleansing too. It's called the Bible, but you don't see most Americans stoning their promiscuous female population. Why not?
In Israel, there is little publication called the King's Torah, which advocates the killing of gentiles (us non-Jews), it even permits the killing of gentile babies who may grow up to be a threat to Israel (guilty without having committed a crime).
Where is your indignation about that? Oh, it's not Islam, so it's not a threat. Partially correct. The mistake that you make, and it's an elementary mistake is that, just because something is written does not mean that people will follow it. You assume correctly, because the evidence for it is so overwhelming that one needs to be basically dead not to see it, that almost all Christians and Jews disregard those religious instructions referred to in the Bible and the King's Torah because they don't agree with it. However, you are not inclined to recognize that the absence of large scale violence against infidels or the West on the part of 1.4 billion muslims around the world, and whatever percentage of those being American, points to exactly the same thing as the absence of mass slut murder in America and mass baby killing in Israel. People won't automatically follow an instruction simply because it is written in a holy text or spoken by a religious authority. The question, which you will probably find dull, is why can you accept that on the part of good Christian and Jewish folk people will ignore cruel religious instructions, but not on the part of Muslims? That despite the overwhelming evidence that most muslims don't follow those instructions.
If such overwhelming and obviously apparent evidence such as the lack of whole scale or even large scale violence by all/an undeniable majority of muslims against infidels or the west does not indicate to you that almost 1.4 billion muslims do not take those instructions seriously, then what exactly do you base your worldview on? It's not reality, because reality does not match your apparently uncontrollable fear of Islam. More so if you were to consider the very last phrase of your quoted paragraph, which states that "not all of them agree with it." In fact, not only do not all of them agree with those instructions, but such an overwhelming majority rejects it that it becomes not an issue of what muslims believe about violence (it is evident, most of them don't engage in it so they obviously are not convinced that it is something that they have to do), but what is it that prevents muslims from believing that they have to engage in violence.
You are free to dismiss this as dull and boring should you wish to, but that will not change the fact that on the basis of evidence, Melanie Phillips' shrieking notwithstanding, a majority of in excess of 99% of Muslims do not believe it their duty to attack the west. If so many Muslims do not believe it their duty to attack the west, then it is somewhat dishonest to say that, on the basis of the actions of the vast minority, that all Muslims and so by extention, Islam, represents a threat to the West.
No Mr Divine don't cry, you are not by yourself when you have all your "friends" from the NS. Why I bet that even RFM will try to crack some jokes to cheer you up now. Now I know it was a shock by you must get over the absence of the Welsh Wizard, RFM is already making the effort to replace him.
It is said dogs come to resemble their masters.
Therefore masters tend to look like theit teir dogs.
Do people with ugly views cause their own uglification?
I think Mad Mel has been booted out because the lads at the speccie do not like old boots.
PS I am a newbie and I have to post or lose accress to this website.
Well, what he says is true about Mehdi; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APAPqT3QdFU, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt-0Q
But yeah, Melanie Phillips is awful. Hopefully her leaving the Spectator means that we'll be hearing less of her.
She is amazing, speaks her mind and we know whats shes about.
Maybe when Andrew Neil takes over the NS he'll kick you with your double standards, Islamic rhetoric to your brothers, the voice of reason here..
Go work for Al Jazzera.
Mr Divine, you will find that Julia Harris relies on www.thereligionofpeace.com for her daily source of the number of people killed by 'Islam'.
It is very curious that, posing such a big threat to the West, the countries where those deaths took place are Sudan, Nigeria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Senegal, Pakistan. All countries which immediately spring to mind when someone mentions the term the West.
Equally interesting is the terrorist attack counter on that website. Since 9/11 there have been 17 382 deadly terror attacks. Shocking. Unbelievable.
But seeing as the majority of those attacks have been committed by muslims against muslims in muslim countries, I thought that it would be worthwhile to investigate the biggest sources of deaths in America to see where Islam ranks in terms of its potency to undermine American civilization.
In excess of an average of 6 million car accidents occurred annually in the USA between 1997 and 2005. During that time period, the lowest number of annual road deaths in the USA was 37 107 in 1998, the highest was 2005 with 39 189. That means that in 1998, Americans drove 101 people a day out of existence. In 2005, a daily average of 107 Americans were crashed into existential oblivion. Clearly, Islam is a far greater danger to America than Americans behind the wheel. It doesn't count if Americans kill themselves, provided they are not Muslim.
Still, maybe Muslims are more violent than Americans when they are armed. According to Harvard University, the average number of Americans killed annually by Second Amendment Worshipping Americans falls in the range of 27 000 to 30 000, or roughly 73 to 82 Americans a day are being dispatched by their Fellow Americans to answer the ultimate question of whether there is life after death. A further average of 65 000 Americans escape with mere gunshot wounds. To put that into perspective, every hour, 7 people in the USA are shot and wounded. A further 3 people every hour are shot and killed.
Of course, all of this is but nought to Julia, for in the words of the Bard, it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Still, one has to marvel that such a deadly threat to the West pales into insignificance in comparison to the threat Americans pose to themselves. And then there is McDonalds, and KFC, and who knows what else which contributed to the 616 067 deaths in 2007 from heart attacks. To put that into perspective, that is 1688 Americans dead from heart attacks every day, 70 an hour, or more or less one every second.
Islam. If they were really trying to subjugate the West, all they had to do is buy stocks in GM, Smith & Wesson, and McDonalds.
He had plenty to say about the Kafir when he spoke to the Al Khoei Islamic Centre in February 2009, a speech which was recorded.
But I suspect you know that.
I feel it's reasonable to ask a writer why he uses a bigoted and sectarian term, even if he doesn't use the term in this specific article (and all credit to him for that). I'm afraid I wasn't at the lecture, so I couldn't challenge him at the time.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.