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What about you Julia Harris; become a Muslim and join me in the Third Kingdom? What's stopping you saying you're a real Muslim? Why not try it?
Here is another video of Mr Hasan and his progressive views. It is difficult to argue that this may be excusable because it has been taken out of context:
This is the 4th article in a few days. Now I've drunk some wine so I still can't figure out the pattern. Are you just messing with my head Mehdi and knocking them out in 20 minutes just to confuse me?
What's 11 times 4?
Oh I'm so lonely. Woe is me. Boo hoo hoo.
I'm just like Melanie Phillips; been kicked out and nobody will talk with me.
I just tried to read a few of the articles on Phillips' website ... that woman is very, very angry about something, but it's not at all clear from her writing what that something is. The interview she gave on Fox News was equally revealing, she is not angry over terrorism or war, because whatever caused all this 9/11 and 7/7 events is neither terrorism nor war, it is something for which we lack the language in which to describe it. She seems genuinely frightened of something she can't quite put her finger on. That seems like a perfect recipe for allowing people to read their own ideas into what she is writing and then agree wholeheartedly with themselves. It's no wonder people like her, she reminds them so much of themselves.
When I see a bully like you hounding a contributor I will tell it like it is. I would hate to live in your world, enjoy your lonely life.
RFM - your an idiot, what are you going on about??? In her books and her articles she makes it plain she is worried and rightly so about Islamic supremacism and Islamic Terror. Its quite right she is worried that the limp and liberal left and media have a hard time identifying that Islam and the Koran calls for the Killing and Subjugation of Infidels and minorities and is an issue we ignore at out peril.
Stuart, first of all, you think you are entitled to tell it as it when you see things you don't agree with. May the rest of us not do the same? Please feel free to respond in whatever way you see fit, if you can find it in your compassionate heart, would you mind awfully letting the rest of us do the same? Geese and ganders.
Secondly, do you know me? You must know me in order to be able to claim knowledge of whether my life is lonely or not. Since you don't know me, your comment that my life is lonely is not telling it like it is, it is simply you projecting your imaginations into the discussion.
Bearing that mind, one is given to wonder how often you mistake your imaginations for what it is really like. The next time you are tempted to succumb to the urge of telling it like it is, make sure you that you are actually in a position where you know how it is, because as it stands, that is somewhat in doubt. You don't know what world I live in, thus you may:
a) feel free to carry on making a fool of yourself by pretending that you know.
b) feel free to not comment on things you know nothing about when it is plainly obvious that you know nothing about it.
My world and my life are unknowns to you, good sir, whatever deluded you into thinking that they are not? Whatever prevented you from realizing that they are unknowns to you? One would hope, perhaps vainly so, that you do not often suffer from this failure.
"But "Mad Mel" shouldn't feel that bad. She isn't alone on this. Blinded by their monomaniacal obsession with Islamists under every British bed, members of the UK media's neoconservative faction have been the subject of other (successful) legal complaints and libel actions in recent years."
But, Mehdi, what about this aborted legal threat against myself, on behalf of Muslim Aid UK, by Carter Ruck?
Mad Mel has certainly over exagerated the threat from radical Islamism, but it's a genuine threat which can be managed sensibly. She elevated the threat into hysteria which was based on ignorance and has certainly led to higher levels of Islamophobia in the US, UK and Europe. This is counter-productive to combating terrorism and extremism.
RFM, your comments are so insightful, you've hit the nail in her head perfectly. I got exactly the same impression in her rants against global warming, it was like she was a rabbit struck to stone in the face of some oncoming headlights, neither comprehending nor knowing how to react, but feeling she was in mortal danger, had to strike out at anyone or anything.
Julia: we've had this discussion before. The Bible calls for all sorts of harm to humans but you don't mention it.
Islam means 'surrender to God' and 'peace'. Human beings who surrender and achieve peace are given the title of 'Muslim'. In effect we all surrender to God's will and thus we are all Muslims.
Kaafir is related to the word 'kufr' which means the covering of truth.
What you are trying to do Julia is to say that Islam doesn't say peace, thus covering the truth. I keep on telling you that Islam means peace. Look it up for yourself and speak to Muslim people. What does Islam mean Julia?
I asked you before who you were and you said I don't give a bio. Why not? You said, 'I am who I say I am'. Well to me you are trying to deny that Islam doesn't mean 'peace'. How have you come to this conclusion that the word 'Islam' means something other than peace? Study what the word 'Islam' means. Don't be so gullible and take the word of ignorant newsreaders and journalists.
2011.06.27 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Two young girls are blown to bits by Islamic bombers.
2011.06.27 (Ghazni, Afghanistan) - Two children are among seven civilians torn apart by two Taliban roadside blasts.
2011.06.27 (Dera Ismail Khan, Pakistan) - A dozen police are taken hostage and then slaughtered by a husband and wife suicide team.
2011.06.26 (Dakar, Senegal) - About two dozen Christians are severely injured when a Muslim mob sets fire to their church during a service under orders from a local imam.
2011.06.26 (Meiram, Sudan) - Arab militiamen attack a train carrying Southerners, killing one.
2011.06.26 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Islamists massacre about thirty patrons at a tavern serving alcohol by tossing in bombs and firing into the building.
RFM - what a joke you are.
We can make all sorts of comparisons between a Big Mac and Islamists strapped up with explosives, or a Chevrolet vs Islamic Hate preachers.
No one is saying we live in a perfect world but to brush Islamic Violence under the carpet like its on par with eating too many big macs is plain and damn right stupid.
Give me a break.
A successful defamation lawsuit is no guarantee of integrity on the behalf the claimant as we ALL KNOW. The onus is on the defence to prove their innocence in the matter, not on the so-called 'injured party' to prove theirs.
If you are the sort of person who sues your critics, I can only assume you are extremely thin-skinned and arrogant.
Sven King - Dull. Boring. Idiot. Joke. I'm accumulating quite an impressive array of labels here. Soon I shall have to employ someone to keep record of the compilation.
Ok, let's simplify the argument. For Islamic terrorism to be the great threat which it is made out to be, we need to quantify it in relation to other events which have a similar result, in this case, unnatural death at the hands of others which will distupt society to the point of collapse. In order for something to be considered as the most significant threat to the endurance of a civilisation, its effects must be demonstably more devasting on the society than other threats.
If we break down the number of deaths in the West by causes, excluding natural ones such as age or illness brought about by purely natural processes which cannot be avoided, and we rank them so that significance is determined by number of deaths, we find that Islamic terrorist attacks is not anywhere near the top of the list.
What we do find is that heart attacks, caused among others things by unhealthy life styles, is without a doubt the leading cause of deaths in the USA. In 2007, it accounted for no less than 25.4% of US deaths. Would you consider an unhealthy lifestyle choice to be insignificant for the overall wellbeing of the USA considering how many people die as a result?
Car accidents are also higher on the list of phenomena causing unnatural death in the USA. Insignificant?
And Americans shooting themselves. Insignificant?
Do the relatives of people who died from heart attacks, motor accidents, and gunshots feel less aggrieved at their loss than people who have lost relatives to terrorist attacks?
Far from brushing Islamic violence under the carpet, I am actually making an effort to compare it to other issues causing unnatural death. If you are truly concerned about the preservation of Western society, then you should, by right, take issue with the most significant contributors to unnatural death. You do not. By numbers and by logic, one can assertain beyond a shadow of a doubt what the leading causes of deaths in the USA and other Western countries are. Terrorism is not at the top of that list. Explain to me how you as a concerned citizen, can take issue with something which is quite far down the list of causes, but then get righteously offended when subjected to information portraying the actual leading causes of death in the USA and the West.
Also consider that despite the over 660 000 annual deaths as a result of heart attacks, gunshots and car accidents, American society does not appear to be on the brink of imminent collapse, even though it happens year in and year out. Yet, a few hundred (agreeably reprehensible) deaths of muslims at the hands of muslims in muslim countries is threatening to bring down the West? What? How?
Now, in order for you to prove your assertion that Islamic terror is the significant threat that you make it out to be (and by extention to prove that I am a joke), you must demonstrate that more people die in the USA and the West as a result of Islamic terror than other significant contributors. You must demonstrate that a significant portion of Muslims are engaged either in plots to attack Western targets or in planning them. A majority of any population is 50% + 1, which means that you must somewhere find evidence that 7 billion and 1 muslims are involved in terrorist plots. Don't be put off by the fact that if 7 billion + 1 people suddenly attacked the West in some form, it would have been all over the news and the results would have been apparent immediately for all to see ... well, those news broadcasters lucky enough to escape the initial assault in any case. Your task in hand is thus clear, and I stand ready to rescind my current position immediately upon receipt of your evidence of the above.
Oh, and just to make your assessment truly accurate, also include the number of people who survive heart attacks, the 65 000 odd who survive gun shots, and the god knows how many people who are merely injured by the annual 6 million car accidents in the USA. Then apply the same measures for all other Western countries, then demonstrate how Islamic terror trounces all of those in terms of the threat it poses to Western civilisationn.
Good luck, Sven, you are going to need it.
I can't see how anyone other than the most extreme right wing neo con nutter could be anything but pleased that she has been sent packing. Anyone remember her writing an article in the Daily mail stating that the coalition ( Britain and-US) should not try to avoid bombing civilians in Iraq using smart bombs and they should start bombing anywhere regardless of civilian casualties? I do.
Oh, and Julia, how many civilians is it now killed in iraq since the US and britain invaded? 60000 i heard at last count.How many by british and US soldiers? What do you think of that number seeing as you were printing links to stories about suicide bombers etc?
I will say one thing though, I agree with mad Mel on some of her points on immigration and multiculturalism.
Julia: Are you really that ignorant? Haven't you heard of 'fracking'? This is the process of extracting shale gas reserves. It involves using a huge array of chemicals including radioactive to extract the gas.
As I said earlier this is happening all over the United States unchecked because of a legal loophole. There is a huge environmental damage to the United States' water supply .. and thus to their food chain and their health. I would not eat or drink anything from the States.
The United States doesn't need Muslim terrorists to kill them because they are poisoning themselves. Check this out.
The Environmental Protection Agency of the United States has regularly called for this practice of gas extraction to be stopped. In a single well 34,000 gallons of chemicals, some of them radioactive, are used.
If you are talking about terror Julia then you should really talk about terror. Or are you going to deny this is happening?
And why don't you address people's questions?
God, yet again, CORRECTION. 50% + 1 of 1.4 billion Muslims is not 7 billion + 1, it is in fact nearer to 700 million + 1.
I hope that makes your job easier, Sven.
Ding dong the witch is gone
If mad mel loves Israel so bloody much, then perhaps she ought to relocate there, permanently!
Well, what he says is true about Mehdi; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APAPqT3QdFU, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt-0Q
really? would you be able to provide the full video clip, how convenient that is heavily edited
u insult you own intelligence by using a dodgy 45 second clip with no context
25 June 2011 at 09:25
When is the NS getting rid of their own resident racist crank, John Pilger?
how is he racist??? he actualy stands for minority rights more than even they do
hesalways reported on the plight of the aborigines, somthing that many WHITE australians have failed to do
how is that racist
or is that just how we discredit a person these days
if we dont like them theyre automatically racist/anti-semitic/fascist
Fraziel, Twat, Yes of course its about Iraq....and that explains the religiously inspired terror and violence in every country where you find Muslims against Hindu's, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhist and Jews...Muslims are never culpible for there own actions...
Most of the people killed in Iraq have been at the hand of fellow Muslims, the difference being the coalition never set out to kill civilians, but the Muslims kill at will, the more the better - see the difference??
Most of the people killed in Iraq have actually been at the hands of coalition forces since 2003 Julia and not Muslims, save for Saddam Hussein alone who killed and tortured thousands and thousands (though not as many as the coalition)often with the West turning a blind eye and arming him with the weaponry he inflicted his atrocities....where do you think he got the mustard gas he used on the Kurds? Incidentally, Saddam -despite his trouncing of the Shi'ite Muslims - was widely recognised as being on the whole quite secualr and allowing women and non Muslims far more freedom than they have in other Arab countries. He moved to a more religious stance towards the end of his reign but this was deemed mainly a political move on his part and not a religious one and up until then he was widely criticised by other Muslim Arab nations for not being religious enough and not enforcing Islamic laws.
Seeing as you love facts and figures so much, here's a few...
Casualties in Iraq: 1,690,903
Iraqi troops killed = 30,000
Iraqi troops seriously injured = 90,000
Iraqi civilians killed = 864,531
Iraqi civilians seriously injured = 1,556,156
U.S. troops killed = 4,414
U.S. troops seriously injured = 31,882
Other coalition troops killed = 318
Other coalition troops seriously injured = 2,296
Contractors killed = 933
Contractors seriously injured = 10,569
Journalists killed = 142
Total killed in Iraq = 900,338
Total injured in Iraq = 1,690,903
Casualties in Afghanistan:
Afghan troops killed = 8,587
Afghan troops seriously injured = 25,761
Afghan civilians killed = 8,813
Afghan civilians seriously injured = 15,863
U.S. troops killed = 1,140
U.S. troops seriously injured = 3,420
Other coalition troops killed = 772
Other coalition troops seriously injured = 2,316
Contractors killed = 298
Contractors seriously injured = 2,428
Journalists killed = 19
Total killed in Afghanistan = 19,629
Total injured in Afghanistan = 48,644
Btw, it's culpable not culpible.
She is so biased, that is hard too see why any media organisation give her a platform.
Good article mehdi
What took them so long? good riddance. Who's "STUPID" now!!, Gosh I really hate her.
Its funny how Medhi had the same line in Articles i.e. Islam and trying to defend the indefensible stuff that goes on, Sharia, criticism of Jews and Israel at any opportunity, and then he expects us to believe he doesn't have a hidden agenda and writes without prejudice... his videos are all too telling
I agree with previous comments, Medhi is probably best to go work for Al Jazeera.
Oh, an Mehdi I do love the fact that you give her a run for her money.
One small thing to her credit is you can't say she's not honest and speaks her mind. She knows what she believes (al beit if its bigoted and knee jerk) and doesn't hide anything and its good and bad for "freedom of speech", whatever that means.
Its funny you claim a high ground here, Mehdi, because if you actually said what you really believed, you probably would be banned also. And not just from the New Statesman.
Mr D – I don’t mention the bible because we don’t see on a day to day basis people commiting acts of terror and martyrdom, human rights abuses directly inspired from the bible but we do the Koran.
Muslims routinely turn a blind eye to their own horrible atrocities, even those committed explicitly in the name of Allah. The Muslim world has yet to offer a single apology for the tens of millions of lives consumed by centuries of relentless Jihad and slavery.
al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."
In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.
Well, she has more integrity and honesty as a journalist than you could ever hope to muster... at least she doesn't dub those who disagree with her world view Kaffirs. She has the courage to get involved in the debate and in the argument, whereas you cry 'Islamophobia' or some such nonsense when challenged on your writings.
2011.06.26 (Meiram, Sudan) - Arab militiamen attack a train carrying Southerners, killing one.
2011.06.26 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Islamists massacre twenty-five patrons at a bar by tossing in bombs and firing into the building.
2011.06.26 (Char Chino, Afghanistan) - The Taliban denotate an 8-year-old girl near a checkpoint.
2011.06.26 (Tarmiya, Iraq) - A suicide bomber hides his weapon in a wheelchair. Three others are killed.
2011.06.26 (Mosul, Iraq) - Mujahid car bombers successfully kill six Iraqis.
2011.06.25 (Logar, Afghanistan) - A huge car bomb at a hospital ends the lives of at least three dozen innocents and de-limbs many others.
The Qur'an plainly teaches that it is not just proper to kill in the name of Allah in certain circumstances, but that it is actually a requirement. Muslims who don't believe in killing over religion may be that way out of ignorance or because they are more loyal to the moral law written in their hearts than they are to the details of Muhammad’s religion. Those who put Islam first or know Islam best know otherwise.
It is no coincidence, however, that the purists of the faith – those most prone to abandoning themselves to Islam without moral preconception – are always the more dangerous and supremacist-minded. They may be called ‘extremists’ or ‘fundamentalists,’ but, at the end of the day, they are also the more literal and dedicated to the Qur’an and following the path of Jihad as mandated by Muhammad.
Y'know, if you don't want to be accused of being 'Islamophobic' you probably shouldn't talk nonsense about journalists calling people 'kaffirs'. It's weird, I see & hear that word used a LOT more by people with a grudge against Muslims than by actual Muslims themselves. Funny that.
Julia, you have unintentionally stumbled upon a contradiction in your own point of view.
As you point out, most of the terror attacks in Iraq committed by muslims have been against fellow muslims. Now you have to ask yourself a basic question. How do these terror attacks against civilian Iraqis make the civilian Iraqis feel? Do you think they are supportive of the Islamic violence of which they are the victims? Do you think they accept their own deaths as being a requirement of Islam? If Islam is a religion of violence as you maintain, then by some twisted logic, the muslim victims of Islamic terror must be in favour of their own deaths. If they do not welcome their own deaths as a religious requirement, then your proposition that violence is proscribed by Islam is undermined by the very example which you chose to use.
Should you wish to pursue this line of thought further, you might wish to apply it to your example of the violence committed by Muslims against Christians, Jews, Sikhs and Hindus. You may take a basic premise that if a majority of Muslims do not engage in violence nor view it as something that they have to engage in, then what percentage of muslims are involved in those attacks on Christians, Jews, Sikhs and Hindus.
Again, should you wish to dabble in numbers, you can make a very basic calculation: The number of muslims involved in violence in a particular country divided by the total number of muslims in that country. To your astonishment, you may discover once again that a majority of muslims are not engaged in violence against anyone despite the fact that you believe it to be the case.
On the other hand, you might prefer to chance your arm at explaining to me instead how all the muslim victims of muslim terror actually consider their own deaths justified. In fact, I'd like to see you do that. You are incapable of defending your point of view against criticism, which leads me to think that you do not actually understand your own position very well, had you understood it very well, you would not have had to make such a visible effort to avoid answering the fairly straight forward questions I have posed you. None of which have favoured an answer from you.
"What a prick you are mr Danger tit- fuck off"
What do you call it when some well paid white journalist in London sneeringly refers to President Obama as an Uncle Tom? I'd call that disgusting racism yet the New Statesman was more than happy to publish it.
This is the same John Pilger that has said that a majority of Black South Africans were 'betrayed' by Mandela who let apartheid 'continue by other means'.
So Mandela is apparently a sellout too. You see, looking down from Pilger's media elite ivory tower, any black person who deviates from his extreme left ideology is branded a sellout Uncle Tom.
That's racism. And your subscriber dollars are paying for it right here at the New Statesman.
please josh you do yourself no favours
the woman is fucking potty
Hobson, do you mind finding where Mehdi actually used the word? It doesn't appear in the article, so Josh used it first. Your asking Mehdi to justify it therefore seems absurd.
Josh, please provide an educated response otherwise your post doesnt provide a good view of you.
And also please refrain from personal abuse (of Mehdi in this case) if you dont have any personal relationship with the object of your abuse - because it only exposes the ignorance on the side of the accuser.
As an Arabic teacher - I can tell you that the word Kafir means someone who covers (also used for a farmer). It's religious translation is someone who cognitively covers (and rejects) his/her realisation of God's favours on him - i.e. An Ungrateful person and in the Quran, it refers to SOME of those who chose not to follow Islam's message - in spite of being convinced about its peaceful and truthful nature. Their reasons for rejection is well documented (fear of poverty, loss of masculine / tribal superiority and so on).
Also, just in case you dont know, a muslim is really not allowed to call another person a kaafir because Muhammmad (peace be upon him) asked his companions not to and censured those who called their non-muslim neighbours kaafirs. He said: "Call them by their (proper) names"
"at least she doesn't dub those who disagree with her world view Kaffirs"
No, she prefers "Dhimmi".
Julia: you are not answering the questions. You're just pumping out propaganda. What is the source of your information?
Were talking Islam and Melanie Philips and you start going on about Poison in the water...
The horrible comments about MP are shameful and they disregard the very important and factual issues she talks about, its too easy to just say someone is a kook as they highlight things some people are too scared or stupid to understand.
You can construct many different equations to deflect, ignore, deny, or compare the worlds ills but it wont make the problem go away.
No, she effectively dubs anyone who doesn't support fanatical Zionism and an expansionsit Israel a Jew-hating Nazi who wants the return of the gas chambers.
Response, you've set our clearly why describing people as Kafir is despicable. What you haven't addressed - although I assume you know, because you attack Josh for his "ignorance" - is why Mehdi Hassan chose to use the word. Could you enlighten us?
I'm just making it all up...
My Jewish pals all call her a 'meshugna', which means barking mad, and other Yiddish terms which modesty forbids them from translating to me.
Why my dear Mr Divine I was going to get you to do it for me, what now?
Melanie Phillips is just to the right of Atilla the Hun, just as Mehdi Hasan thinks the Taliban are a bunch of softies.
er it's not 10 is it.
Italy: Moroccan immigrant murders wife for being 'too Western'
Remember that Melanie started off on the left. She has moved rightward throughout her career. She seems to be a cynical opportunist who writes whatever her claque want to read. Her campaign against MMR vaccine represented the peak of irresponsibility and has almost certainly contributed to the unnecessary deaths of children.
Court theatrics sees Islam rear its ugly head again
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.