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Me versus Douglas Murray, on last week’s Question Time

The YouTube video is up.

Some of you who live abroad and have no access to the geo-locked iPlayer have been messaging me to ask when last week's Question Time will be up and available to view on YouTube. Well, here it is: part 1 below. And here are parts 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Enjoy (!)

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proviron's picture

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samfromstroud's picture

I found this a thoroughly invigorating debate and myself wishing that it could go on longer.

Medhi Hassan and Douglas Murray are both persuasive speakers, obviously both have strong views on the subject and speak their minds.

If only politicians took a leaf from their books.

I see the possible future leaders of the Labour and Conservative parties.

ang's picture

@Mehdi'
You had Maude and Murray, in punching distance, how could you resist?

crabstix's picture

The gimlet eyed Maude reminded me so much of a Star Wars type baddie. He is an utterly repellent waste of perfectly dire CGI.

Murray was surely someones muffin rack.

normalguy's picture

well, if we all listened to Mehdi non of us would be able to vote and we would all be stoned to death for opposing him. hypocrite of the first degree

normalguy's picture

Mehdi only helps fuel racicsm and the sooner he leaves the debate the better. he wont go though because that is his only 'reason detre'. bit like Qaddafi! sad

Sameer's picture

Mehdi you really tied yourself into knots in your attempt to dismiss the influence of religion (ie Islam) on terrorism.

The gentleman in the audience said terrorism is caused by bad teachings in religious schools and your reply was... "Rubbish!"

Douglas Murray then mentioned that the terrorism is a religious problem too (as well as a political problem) and your reply was... "In YOUR view Douglas it's a religious problem".

Then after a bit of interrogation from Murray and Dimbleby you eventually admitted that there "is a religious component".

ZR's picture

I'd hate to be on a panel with the child that is Murray. Mehdi, you did an amazing job thrashing him. It's sad to see that he usual buzz words of 'forced marriage' etc have people fooled. It seems people's brain cells can't help but lump together a plethora of phrases without having the mental capability to figure out what they mean and in what context. Lovely anecdote about your father. And I don't even know where to start with Cameron's awful speech.

Des Demona's picture

@normalguy
Agreed. He's hijacking politics in favour of his chosen religion. I'm all in favour of dissident voices but to attempt to use a so called political platform on one of the few left leaning magazines in this country to overtly promote your religious beliefs is both despicable and worrying.

Nathaniel Myers's picture

Mehdi makes it very difficult for one to admit that one agrees with him, due to his irritating, ranting, whinging style that irritates far more than it persuades.

Lev Bronstein's picture

Who voted to invite so many Muslims to Europe in the first place ?

If nobody did, why do we insist on calling ourselves a democracy ?

Surely we should be able to keep 3rd world Muslim immigrants out, just as we were allowed to keep socialism out in 1983. Democracy, no ?

Raymond Dance's picture

Douglas Murray is a brave man.

Coleridge's picture

Mehdi I hate to break this to you, but you are not in the same league as Murray. Moreover, the vast majority of the people in this country loathe you because you are an islamist nutter

normalguy's picture

havn,t posted my comments then coward.

normalguy's picture

ok now you have. thanks

normalguy's picture

wow need to sort my internet speed out lol

David B's picture

Douglas Murray is a stupid person's idea of what an intelligent person is like

normalguy's picture

@Des exactly!

Lev Bronstein's picture

Dave S calls me out. Thanks for your reply !

Would it be unkind of me to point out that the word "its" has no apostrophe when it denotes possession ? "It's" must mean either "it is" or "it has". Please learn to speak English before you condemn as Nazis those with whom you disagree.

You say that Britain needed huge numbers of Muslims following the war. I'm not sure I agree with that. Look at Jack Straw's constituency, Blackburn. The Muslims were brought in to work in jobs that were soon to disappear. How much foresight did politicans have ?

The work of Christopher Caldwell has been mentioned before in this blog. Martin Wollacott, in his review of the book, denounced politicians' ludicrous short-sightedness after the war.

Wollacott was right, I fear.

Dave S - you can go on calling people Nazis if you want. Isn't that Godwin's Law ? When you've lost the argument, call people Nazis.

Bring on the Islamic Republic of Britain.

Tant pis, mes amis.

K J Kearns's picture

God! revealing your own Alias have you not got a minion to do that ?

alex's picture

personally I dont agree with Mehdi Hasan's views on issues such as the prescence of British troops in Afghanistan but there is a concept in this country known as democracy and I dont think our divergent views on say Afghanistan makes Mr Hasan a militant jihadist, far from it. He is often attacked for his speech where the word 'cattle' was mentioned, in that speech he is clear and explicit about the context of the phrase, he is chiding those within Islam who reject learning, they are the 'cattle', and instead he unequivocally says that it is an Islamic duty to seek out knowledge, including secular knowledge and the knowledge to be gleaned from other religions, this is not a call to close girls schools as the Taliban have done in Afghanistan, it is infact the polar opposite, it is a straightforward call for more education, an openess to other religious traditions and perhaps a modernisation process within Islam itself. It is not a call to arms it is a call to books, 'we are not under-armed we are under-educated' is, I believe a direct quote, maybe those who post comments here citing this speech should listen to it, in its entirety and coherently argue with the points I have just raised, I think its unlikely that they will though.

Adam Chorley's picture

Loved the debate, Mahdi, it was priceless how you were sitting on the left and Murray on the far right!

Tony, you are speaking rubbish. That link is old news and has been exposed to be taken out of context and he in no way attacking non-muslims, but rather the materialistic, cheryl cole obssessed stupid people who do not seek an education, detest knowledge and are the cause of crimes and injustice in this world.

He is rather the beacon of reason in an increasingly materialistic and knowledgeless world.

alex's picture

@Andy
interesting link that you posted 'Andy', where Mehdi Hasan says in no uncertain terms that Muslims and Islamic nations having nuclear weapons is unIslamic, and this link to a video is meant to prove that he is a jihadist extremist, how does that work exactly?

Amy Wevill's picture

@MT2011

First of all, this isn't an article written by Mehdi. This is his blog. And he's posted it for people who live abroad, like myself, who didn't see him lay the smack down on QT.

Secondly, the man's the NS's Senior Editor. Think he's got enough limelight and respect. Which is probably why he got called on QT in the first place.

And this goes for many of the posts on here - if you don't agree with what he is saying, then say why. Instead of resorting to personal attacks about nonsense about his style.

Iqbal's picture

One of the best Question Time programmes I have seen in a long time and so refreshing to see someone of the calibre of Mehdi Hasan on there to give another viewpoint that often does not get well articulated or does not get aired. The idea that Mehdi posed with regards terrorism not being a religious phenomenon but actually a political one is often sometimes not put out in the domain because it does not serve a purpose of those that are benefitting from the acts of terrorism.

Islam has NEVER been for violence or destruction. Some people, very few in the grand scheme of 1 billion followers of this faith, take things out of context so that they can meet the needs of their supporters and the benefactors of terrorism.

Islam is derived from Peace and is Peace. Well done Mehdi for putting accross these viewpoints very clearly and articulately.

Peter Emmett's picture

I love how members of the audience and the panel keep applauding how Britain is a "tolerant" society, as though that's something to commend. You tolerate a bad smell, the crowds on the tube in the morning, getting wet in the rain. When are we going to move away from mere tolerance to actually understanding and accepting different cultures, religions, beliefs etc.

Just briefly, what Douglas Murray was saying about people blowing themselves up in the name of religion is absolute bollocks by the way. You only have to read the work of Scott Atran, who's done comprehensive research of why they do it. And as he makes quite clear, it's not the promise of 50 or so virgins in heaven. It's do with politics and values.

Joe Kerr's picture

To echo a previous contributor, it is laughable for Mr Hasan to compare himself to Douglas Murray, as if there exists a modicum of equilibrium between the two.

EnragedBrit's picture

I'll risk Mehdi censoring my reply once again to point out to Buckskins that this QT debate was not the one in which he spouted the kuffar, animal and cattle insults. What I'm talking about is on Youtube and Harry's Place and is definitely recommended viewing.

Fraziel's picture

Why does Murray always look so earnest and intense and like he does not possess the slightest sense of humour. I agree that he is disingenuous too.

Bobby the Shoe's picture

I don't have minions, K J Kearns ! I speak English, it's true, but it doesn't necessarily follow that I employ slaves.

I am happy to teach you English, if you want.

Mehdi Hasan was funny on the Radio 3 programme Nightwaves, broadcast before Christmas. They were in Gateshead, methinks. Anyway, I encourage you to listen to it via the 'listen again' feature. It's hilarious, and still available.

Hasan says something like "You're not going to like this, but I'll say it anyway: Islam is not what Muslims do."

How think does one need to be to believe that ?

Bring on the Islamic Republic of Britain.

Des Demona's picture

@ Amy Wevill
I appear to have been censored so don't know if this will post but I'd like to say that the following

Yes it is blatant self promotion. What other journalist posts youtube links of their TV appearances.
Secondly, it doesn't matter whether this is Mehdi's blog or an article. They constitute his views and as such are open to scrutiny and/or criticism.

Tavares's picture

I'm sure you'll do whats right with most of these comments - and that is to pay them no heed and lose no sleep over it....I'm sure the majority of these folk would love to have Martin Bright running these pages. http://www.plumbingprojects.net/

Bigbill's picture

When I watched this Question Time live, I had never seen or heard of Mehdi before. My thoughts were that here is an educated man full of hate, and his views scare me. Writing this now I feel that Mehdi would be pleased to have induced those feelings in me. I was worried that he holds such a prominent and influential position in our society, and I started to see how some intelligent young people have such hate that they would become suicide bombers. I then watched the Youtube videos referred to above. How can a tolerant society welcome people who are intent on destroying that society? Can Mehdi turn his talents to helping us all get on together? Or is it really to do with religion, and Muslims in particular being unable to accept that some people have another religion or none. When I was 8 years old (50 years ago) I realised that generally the religion you believed in was down to where you were born, so it was unlikely that any religion was the true word of God. Unfortunately you can be killed in some parts of the Muslim world for saying this. How can an educated man defend such intolerance? If educated men will not speak out, then who will? If educated men speak with hate against their fellow man then I fear for our future. Mehdi please think carefully about how you may be promoting hate amongst young people.

Tom's picture

@Sameer

I don't think Mehdi contradicted himself at all. There is in some cases a 'religious component' to the acts of terrorism perpetrated by so called 'Islamic extremists'. But I think what Mehdi was trying to get at, is that it's not solely this. He refers to foreign policy for instance.

Try to get hold of videos speeches made by people before they blow themselves up. Or even read the speeches of so called radicals like Osama bin Laden (http://amzn.to/flnoVH) , Khomeni (http://amzn.to/gUBB1Y), Nasrallah (http://amzn.to/gsdYfp). I think you'll find another common theme running through these individual's thinking and motives is politics, and specifically the interference and effect of Western foreign policy in a predominantly Muslim region.

If what Murray and the gentlemen in the audience were saying is that the root cause of terrorism is purely religious teachings, then I they're obviously not listening to what these terrorists are saying, and taking what the media push ("there go the crooks who fiddle the books") as gospel.

Amsterdammer's picture

Well done Mehdi, you took this rat down! Murray was exposed as being totally out of touch. But what did we expect of this right-wing, upper-middle class, white neo-con? A British neo-con? I didn't think Britain did neo-cons, it's not in your nature!

Olijaan's picture

Des Demona: you've often levelled accusations at Mehdi of using the NS as a platform to promote Islam or even to proselytise - which would certainly be inappropriate - which genuinely baffle me. Considering his output, I can only offhand recall one blog about Islam per se, an explanatory piece about Ramadan (I may have missed others). Far from exhorting people to convert to Islam, Mehdi has spoken out against proselytising, saying "We are not missionaries. The role of a Muslim is not to convert the rest of the world to Islam" and warning that such activity is counter-productive: http://bit.ly/a82Xlm

On the contrary, he has regularly used his "platform" to speak out against extremism and has criticised both the apostasy laws and Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law (and the violence it engenders), despite your contention in the Shahbaz Bhatti blog; his readiness to engage a critical eye, rather than engage in blind propaganda, is surely to be welcomed.

Julian2's picture

Hasan should broaden his repertoire. His Aunt Agatha impression is beconming tiresome.

And Fraziel mate - talking about a sense of humour - is that now considered a virtue among the victim-left, and if so when can we see a Hasan joke?

Henry Cody's picture

Mehdi, I hope you will question Murray's role some day as a member of the advisory board of 'NGO Monitor'. This organisation claims to "hold NGO's accountable". But a closer look (you only need to scratch the surface actually) reveals that it is merely an Israeli propaganda ministry tool for discrediting and tainting literally any organisation that says anything critical about the Israeli state or contrary to its interests.

I thought Murray was a joke on QT, this was before I realised he was a clown.

Bobby the Shoe's picture

How think does one have to be to believe that ?

SHOULD BE

How thick does one have to be to believe that ?

I meant to write 'thick'. Forgive me.

Tina's picture

Interesting reading from what looks like middle class men that probably didn't have to fight for much in their lives and now fears is on their doorsteps they've got a voice!!

Why not try and get on a Question Time cause from what i saw "ranting" or not Murray rambles had more come back from the audience then Mehdi statements!! Foreign Policy brought terrorist here before religion did, as it has done through out history!!

Fraziel's picture

No idea if its considered a virtue among the victim left, not being a part of it and an advocator of personal responsibility myself,but i remember when i first saw Murray years ago and he is always so angst ridden,angry and stern. I remember someone on QT making a comment about it to him a few yrs ago. Personally in terms of debating i think Mehdi is on a different level from him and personalities aside i think Mehdi is one of the best debaters to appear on QT whereas Murray is is a slippery liar who will twist anything and everything to justify his neo con position. I often disagree with mehdi too but at least he is not spouting lies and the politics of selfishness and greed, like Murray

Chopper Harris's picture

The above point is v interesting:

how would Hasan respond if Nick Griffin said that "all Muslims live like animals.." ?

Would he turn the other cheek ?

I doubt it !!!

We'd have the usual Muslim self-pity:

"Islamophobia..."

Paul's picture

Douglas Murray was very good and persuasive - as usual

K J Kearns's picture

I don't need you to teach me English thank you. It looks like it will soon join Latin and ancient greek the way things are going

_Starks's picture

Learn to conduct yourself in a discussion Medhi. Your an embarrassment to a historic newspaper.

Londoner's picture

It was a great performance by MH. The only criticism I have is that Mehdi should have picked up on the grotesquely misleading remarks by DM re the Egyptian revolt being in some way inspired by "the sight of Arabs seeing fellow Arabs (Iraqis) voting" thanks to the invasion in 2003.....which I think is an utterly ridiculous thing to say...

weapon of mass distraction's picture

It was a great debate Medhi, you came out as the clear winner. My only criticism is that you could have put the boot in more with Murray, bur then again he was doing such a good job of it himself, tying himself in knots with his libertarian claptrap.

As an aside, it's always highly amusing to read the comments section in your articles, Medhi. The presence of so many trolls and agitators means you are clearly hitting them where it hurts with your eloquence and vastly superior intellect. Or maybe they got bored with conservative Home, Stormfront and Guido Fawkes? Awww, poor little mites.
Either way, it's hilarious, always gives me a good chuckle.

Olijaan's picture

@Des Demona

As one of those readers living abroad who had previously asked for this video to be made available, I would disagree that posting it amounts to "blatant self-promotion" - it's a simple response to requests made by many readers.

Sameer's picture

@ Tom

Douglas Murray acknowledged the foreign policy AND the religious component to the terrorism.

Mehdi however initially tried to dismiss the religous component, but then he finally admitted it when Dimbleby questioned him.

Mehdi DID tie himself into knots and contradict himself on this issue. Douglas did not.

Abbas's picture

Murray was trying to be very careful with his words, I suppose that's why it's even more amusing to see how often he contradicted himself.

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