@bongo beardy

You really are a crazy bastard, aren't you?

...Oh, and scrambling a Tornadoe Jet, involving 14 police forces, and 10% of the nation's armed police as well as flying over Armoured jeeps from Northern Ireland to find a man with a sawn off shotgun in the Northumberland hills is complete overkill feeding the media madness that camped amongst the police in Rothbury and leading to one inevitable conclusion. A pressurised confrontation on national news.

The fact that the man sitting in a drain under their noses stealing tomatoes from greenhouses shows he wasn;t no rambo. The whole thing was a farce!

"Is he having a laugh?" Probably not. His brother killed someone and assaulted his ex-partner before attacking a policeman killing himself live on television. That's a shit week to be someone's brother.

''In defence of the police''

Medhi, you are a hard faced bastard, arent you ?

Really think you shouldn't engage with bongo beardy. He's just your average troll. Leave him alone and he'll go away.

I normally like you, but this column is bad. You make a comparison with De Menezes, yet surely it wasn't just that he was innocent that was wrong with him being shot in the head on the underground?

The sequence of events in Moat's death is quite simple. He was lying on the ground holding a shotgun to his head - quite possibly with his finger around the trigger.

After six hours, Tasers - which everyone knows cause muscle spasms -are fired at Moat. The gun then goes off.

Police then announce Moat has committed suicide, and that the Tasers were fired to prevent him taking his life but sadly didn't succeed.

This following Moat declaring 'war' on them and shooting one of their own, actions generally guaranteed to bring out the Police tribalism in even the meekest of forces.

Whatever one's opinion of Moat, the situation is deeply problematic, but thanks to the firestorm of Tabloid indignation and rage that the Prime Minister (and yourself) are feeding, this is going to pass unnoticed. The IPCC will play its usual exculpatory role.

That a deeply disturbed man arguably criminally responsible for a murder was killed doesn't make the possibility of his death being induced through the unnecessary use by police of "non-lethal" weaponry (that has proved to be anything but in numerous cases across the world) which will be covered up by a police force still well outside democratic control, alienated from society and led by a unaccountable quasi-private body like ACPO (abetted by a 'law and order' conservative media and opportunistic politicians) any less real.

But well done. I'm sure you've earned some John Reid points with some people.