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British jihad: Why our anti-terror strategy isn't working

Martin Bright

Published 03 April 2008

There is a deep and dangerous confusion at the heart of the government's approach to the threat posed by violent Islam

Towards the end of March two short films were shown in very different circumstances, each in its way issuing a challenge to how we think about violent jihadi Islam, both with serious implications for our approach to combating terrorism in Britain. The first was an item on BBC2's Newsnight of 31 March discussing the work of the former Islamic extremist Hassan Butt, who now claims to be working on the streets of Manchester to "deradicalise" his former comrades-in-arms in the so-called British jihadi network.

Over the years, Butt has become something of a fixture on our screens, often speaking as a member of the radical group al-Muhajiroun, calling for a holy war against Britain and America in Afghanistan. He has now publicly renounced violence and is writing a book with the journalist Shiv Malik, a regular contributor to the New Statesman.

The interview, carried out by Newsnight's Richard Watson, amounted to a series of confessions by Butt of serious crimes. These included helping to recruit hundreds of young men from Britain to fight allied forces in Afghanistan, fundraising for terrorist activities and even, it seems, acts of jihad. At one point, Butt said plainly: "I got involved in terrorism."

The questions is: what do you do with Butt? On the one hand he is a self-avowed terrorist; on the other, he is now apparently doing excellent work with radical young Muslims in Manchester. Butt and Malik have met the Home Office minister Tony McNulty, one of the few government ministers to have taken the trouble to think laterally about terrorism, whom they claim offered to fund the deradicalisation work.

Greater Manchester Police are clearly confused. In a move with serious implications for press freedom, the northern force has decided that rather than arrest Butt, it will attempt to force Malik to turn informant and hand over any material that may be useful in its case against the former jihadi.

Just as ministers were beginning to explore new approaches to radical Islam, Greater Manchester Police obtained a "production order" in court to force Malik to hand over all his research for the book, including an early draft. Malik intends to fight the order and a campaign is building around him with the help of the National Union of Journalists.

The Butt conundrum is a knotty one. Should he be imprisoned for the crimes to which he has admitted, or left on the streets to continue his work of turning young Muslims away from the path of violence? The reaction of Rachel North, a survivor of the 7 July bombings, is interesting. "What is important is stopping people blowing up people," she said, adding that it is probably better to keep Butt out of prison.

The other short film should provide a warning of what happens when all hope of a solution is lost. Fitna was made by the right-wing Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders and is a direct attack on Islam's claims to be a religion of peace. Taking its title from the Arabic word for "strife", the crude 15-minute film was released on the website LiveLeak on 27 March. Made in the style of an al-Qaeda propaganda video, the images of violence it uses make for deeply upsetting viewing. Passages from the Quran, apparently emphasising the importance of martyrdom and urging violence against Jews, are intercut with atrocities such as the attack on the twin towers, and the bombings of Atocha station in Madrid and the London Underground. These are juxtaposed with the words of radical preachers and indoctrinated children spouting anti-Semitic propaganda, as well as images of Islamic militants making the Nazi salute.

Alternative vision

The film, as the title suggests, is intentionally provocative. Wilders argues that liberal western culture must make a stand against an ideology every bit as pernicious as fascism and communism. But any political programme that flows from the fear of mass immigration and the "Islamisation" of Europe is every bit as authoritarian as the movements Wilders is attempting to expose. He has already received the obligatory death threats, with crowds in Jakarta, Indonesia calling for his execution. Meanwhile, the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, has issued a statement condemning the film.

Fitna is a vision of supreme reactionary pessimism, suggesting that Europe is already engaged in an internal civil war with Islam. But unfortunately, no European government, of the left or right, has yet been able to provide a coherent alternative vision. The contradictory approach of the British authorities to the work of Butt and Malik is evidence of a deep confusion at the heart of this government's terror strategy. The pursuit of a journalist whose work has been praised by ministers and the head of MI5, Jonathan Evans, is an act of desperation.

Sometimes it is difficult to see where the government gets its inspiration from. But as far as its latest anti-terror legislation is concerned, it seems ministers must have been watching reruns of Dad's Army and taking their lead from Corporal Jones. This is "don't panic, Mr Wainwaring" policymaking. The measures in the new Counter-Terrorism Bill do little to reassure, or perhaps the hope is that, like the Home Guard in the Second World War, we will muddle through in the end.

But this is no sitcom. Getting the policy wrong has deadly consequences, as we saw most clearly on 7 July 2005, when few had foreseen the growing threat from home-grown terrorism. The 42-day precharge detention period for terrorism suspects is a classic case of policy made on the hoof. The number of days was snatched from the air in an attempt to prove that the government was tougher than the Tories on terror and Labour spin doctors are still convinced this is playing well with the public despite polling evidence to the contrary.

Even backbenchers who supported Tony Blair's 2005 proposals to extend the period of imprisonment without trial to 90 days have their doubts about the present bill. Andrew Mackinlay, MP for Thurrock, said: "I was a 90 days man, but a lot of water's gone under the bridge since then. Basically it's a question of trust. Any dates are arbitrary. What is so magical about 42 days?"

Andrew Dismore, chair of the joint committee on human rights, who is usually viewed as a hardliner on terrorism, told the NS that he has changed his mind because he now believes there are better alternatives on the table. The new offence of "acts preparatory to terrorism" has helped persuade Dismore that it is now easier to charge terrorist suspects, as has the introduction of "threshold charging", which allows the police to bring a prosecution on the "realistic suspicion" of terrorist activity, rather than the usual need for the reasonable prospect of conviction.

It is deeply embarrassing for the government that the Director of Public Prosecutions Ken Macdonald, the former attorney general Lord Goldsmith and the former lord chancellor Charlie Falconer have all spoken out against the 42 days.

According to Dismore: "We now have the experience of the 28-day limit and that has proved adequate, to both the DPP and the Crown Prosecution Service. I don't believe the government has made the case for extension based on the level of terrorist threat, and the impact on minority communities and the safeguards in place, if 42 days were brought in, would be woefully inadequate."

A recent open letter opposing the 42-day extension was signed by everyone from Lord Ahmed to the fashion designer Vivienne Westwood and the actor Colin Firth (you know you are in trouble when Mr Darcy is on the other side of the argument). But how did the government get itself into this mess and who is to blame? A poll of insiders from across the political spectrum, carried out for the new website PoliticsHome. com on 1 April, showed that nearly 60 per cent felt the root of Labour's difficulties on this issue lay with the Prime Minister, not with the Home Secretary Jacqui Smith or opposition from Conservative or Labour MPs. Ultimately, Gordon Brown has to take responsibility and show that there is a driving philosophy behind the government's anti-terror strategy. The alternatives, such as those offered by Fitna or the Greater Manchester Police, are too awful to contemplate.

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37 comments from readers

BegbiesEvilTwin
03 April 2008 at 15:59

Is it a holy day of obligation for the Church of Ken or something? It's 3pm and no-one has made any moonbat remarks on your articles.

If I go outside the GLA building should I expect to see a bunch of dazed young kids staggering about with copies of Ken's mayoral manifesto covered in their own blood as a consequence of whacking their foreheads too often?

Iftikhar
03 April 2008 at 16:42

British society and Establishment must learn to live side by side with the Muslim community. In the past Muslim community was victim of Paki-bashing in all walks of life by the British society and British establishment did nothing. Now Muslim community is victim of terrorism by the British establishment. Thousands of Muslim youths are being searched in the streets without any excuse. Hundreds of them are behind the bar without any trial.

Street crimes are on the increase because police and MI5 is have been in search of terrorists which do not exist. The result is that British criminals are free to terrorise the whole of British society. There is no body to check them.

Muslim community needs state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models, because British schooling is the home of institutional racism. There is no place for a foreign cultures, languages and faiths in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.

JL
03 April 2008 at 20:57

Fitna really is a very crude film and it is difficult to see how it could have any real impact in creating further anti-Islamic sentiment in the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe. It is not surprising that the government does not know how to deal with Islamist rhetoric given that our cultural base in the UK has collapsed over the last twenty or thirty years. A return to Judaeo-Christian, Humanist and Classical values is the only solution, but no government is capable of inducing that kind of ideological change on a massive scale.

outsider
03 April 2008 at 23:04

Martin Bright (?) seems to have missed the point - it's about time he researched 'False Flag' operations, like 'Gulf of Tonkin 'Incident'', Pearl Harbour ( known about and desired by Roosevelt; all Japanese Naval codes were broken; the Japanese task force was tracked all the way to Pearl (Robert Stinnett, 'Day of Deceit)); 'USS Liberty', 'Operation Northwoods' & 'Gladio'.

Then he may be ready to look again at 9/11, 7/7 (Where is the evidence? Why do you think the Govt. won't hold a proper public enquiry?), Bali & Spain.

But worse than Bright (?), are Muslims who still cannot get themselves to question the War Criminal's 'narrative', and investigate these things for themselves.

gnuneo
04 April 2008 at 03:26

perhaps we in Britain need to put these matters in some historical context.

there are two main branches of Jihadis, and only one do we have to be worried about - in the main.

the first group is internal,often British born Jihadists, who are fighting (unIslamically, by killing civilians) to end both the occupation of Iraq, and the appalling way the British Establishment and the Murdock press have demonised the Islamic communities and Islam itself in recent years at home.

Then there are the Jihadists who are concerned with the human rights and freedoms of those living many many thousands of miles from here, much as George Orwell left England voluntarily and went to fight for a Free Spain.

who in England can say no to that? And there is much injustice to be fought across the Muslim World.

but it is perhaps the first group worthy of more attention, for the future safety of our cities and people.

there were two elements to the majority of their complaints - and both highly justified. Just in case you were wondering.

the Iraq Invasion and Occupation is a holocaust, and the majority of the British People were entirely against it - the largest marches in British history, and the continued opposition to the war across the spectrum from young to old, left to right, actually indicate that their anger at this war is not uncommon. It also indicates the level of democracy and debate we have in this country, one would have thought any country calling itself "democratic", and even claiming to be helping another "spread democracy" would have bothered to listen to its own population screaming "NO WAR!!!".

pause for reflection.

and the other main element of their complaints: [Gentlemen, Ladies, a quiet word.

we have global warming and its effects to deal with, we also have a resurgent russia and china, what we do not need is a war with a 4th power, the Muslim States.

cut the crap, tell the neo-cons to go f*ck themselves (ever so nicely of course), and start planning for the future.]

so continue to work with the British Muslim communities directly, although that doesn't mean taking on all the batty notions, such as Sharia Law, British Common is the Law of the Land, silly comments by a certain Christian notwithstanding.

the extra powers granted under the anti-terrorism legislation repealed and our rights restored, these measures have not saved a single life, and are a major source of alienation, for example.

let's live up to our claims of being a free and democratic Nation, shall we?

...and bring our bloodied army home. Now.

Gideon Polya
04 April 2008 at 06:40

Lord Kelvin stated that it it useful to put NUMBERS to propositions. Quantifying risk can be challenging for many. This discrepancy has been dishonestly exploited by the Goebellsian Zionists and Bush-ite US Mainstream media and politicians in their post-9/11 “terror hysteria” campaigns.

Thus non-quantitated “terror threats” have been grievously exploited as the justification for the post-9/11 invasion and occupation of a swathe of Muslim countries by the US and its allies and the attendant active and passive mass murder of literally millions of conquered subjects.

Thus while about 7,000 Western civilians have been murdered by Muslim-origin non-state terrorists in 40 years (including Israelis and ignoring the authoritative assertion of former Italian President, law professor and intelligence-intimate Francesco Cossiga that the US CIA and Israeli Mossad did 9/11: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/18569/26/ ), the post-invasion excess deaths in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories now total about 0.3 million, 1.5-2 million and 3-6 million, respectively, and refugees total 7 million, 4.5 million and 4 million, respectively - terror indeed: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/20907/42/ ).

The actual annual risk to Western civilians of death from Muslim-origin non-state terrorists is of the same order as the annual risk of death from shark attack or lightning strike (1 in 4 million). The actual current annual risk to Jewish Israelis of death from Palestinian attack (2 in 100,000) is similar to the risk of death at the hands of a Jewish Israeli acquaintance or family member (1 in 100,000).

In contrast, the “annual risk of excess death” in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories is 130 per 100,000 (Occupied Palestine), 890-1,190 per 100,000 (Occupied Iraq) and 2,100-4,200 per 100,000 (Occupied Afghanistan).

What is remarkable is how LOW the Muslim-origin non-state terrorism risk is for Western civilians - but this reality is swamped by the salivating, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, Islamophobic terror hysteria of the Zionists, Bush-ites and neo-Bush-ite warmongers and the racist, lying, Zionist- and Bush-ite-beholden Mainstream media (see:

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/20850/42/ ).

outsider
04 April 2008 at 06:53

Perhaps 'gruneo' would like to check out the videos 'Mind the Gap', 'Ludicrous Diversions' and '7/7 Ripple Effect' re 7/7, all available to view on the net; I believe the belief that it was 'Muslim Terrorists', homegrown or otherwise, who committed the atrocities would radically alter.

Re 0/11, three videos off the top of my head, 'Confronting the Evidence', '911 Mysteries' and 'Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime' spring to mind.

'False Flag' ops have been with us for centuries, and have been the 'strategy of choice' for manufacturing 'casus belli' from Nero, through early US history, Hitler, Suez etc ad infinitum.

Douglas Chalmers
04 April 2008 at 08:40

Quote: "Fitna is a vision of supreme reactionary pessimism, suggesting that Europe is already engaged in an internal civil war with Islam. But unfortunately, no European government, of the left or right, has yet been able to provide a coherent alternative vision..."

Europe has been falling apart for ages already without the slightest effort from Islam. It has had two world wars which it has started, not Islam, and is now contending with Russia and China through NATO. And before that, was Napoleon a Moslem?

Britain is a historic basket case of internicine conflicts, too, with Ireland more recently but going back to the Scottish highland clearances and the plantations of Ulster as forms of English military occupation. Who were the Islamists then - the English or the Scots and Irish they oppressed???

Likewise, its all garbage as regards "vision" of which politicians talk much but have none or "policy" which is actually a cover for pandering to the world's main hegemonic power, your military-industrial complex and corporate profits. More fool you if you actually trust them, uhh.

Pulling the wool over peoples' eyes by inciting fear over finger-pointing towards foreigners (or migrants) leads to more and more negativity and repetitive issues. That suits a certain kind of government who are more interested in playing "the Great Game" and manipulating everyone including their own voters through Machiavellian politics.

But the real solvable issues are to be found in Washington which is where the trail leads to from Karachi and Islamabad, according to the late Ms. Benazir Bhutto. The Pakistani miltary and secret service funds Al qaeda and the Taleban covertly as a ploy to to get more support and military funding from the USA for their precious boys' club.

No wonder BB was assassinated after this interview which has been partly censored on the BBC http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uLdmct8_E as regards her comments about the death of Osama bin Laden in 2001. Guess why?!?!

gnuneo
04 April 2008 at 13:45

outsider: whether or not 7/7 was a false flag operation, it is a fact that the perpertrators were muslim youth - recruited either by a genuine independant radical Islamic group, or by a front created by British Intelligence, that fact does not change.

but when the solution is to both do what the public want, and also to have again our historic rights and freedoms, it would seem to me to be a rather obvious step forward, regardless.

do you not agree?

mightymark
04 April 2008 at 15:36

So let us see wjhat this article and some of te dimmer responses amount to.

Martin's headline (his own?) suggests he is going to write about strategy. In fact he only discusses two aspects - the Hassan Butt and the detention time problems.

Now it it will perhaps be obvious to most people in the UK, other perhaps than NS readers, that the authorities have a clear problem where someone claims to have "reformed". Do they just forget sbout suspected antecedent offences? What abut the danger that if they do anyone about to be caught and prosecuted for anything at all will just say "I have reformed - you mustn't touch me". OK - so terorism is as special kind of offence - but surely not so special that all rules of justice can just be junked wherever convenient. I rather suspect that Hassan Butt is genuine but the problem for the authorities remains. At very least this example hardly justifies the pompous title of Martin's piece.

On detention times, yes the Government has got itself into a bind by playing number soup with its options (or lack of them) - but I have no doubt that the aim is laudable, namely to ensure that in cirumstances where life is imperilled some extra time is avalable to the police.

Might I just remind your readers that this week a trial began in respect of a plot that could have killed thousands of people. I obviously say nothing abut those charged but the fact that this plot like others was foiled hardlly suggests our "anti terror strategy isn't working".

Two final points. I have no doubt that ths will be a minority post on the NS board - better that than associate with those who put up inanities like

"Then there are the Jihadists who are concerned with the human rights". Strewth!

or those whose iodea of a political argumen t is to

"tell the neo-cons to go f*ck themselves".

writeon
04 April 2008 at 18:08

One of the weaknesses of modern and open urban societies like Britain's, is that they are very vulnerable to terror attacks despite of all the precautions one takes. We could of course try to combat the threat from terrorism by turning Britain into an Orwellian police state, but surely this is a high price to pay?

If one looks back at the history of Northern Ireland and the IRA campaign there it's very doubtful whether the draconian polices state option actually works. NI was a relatively small region, with a small population, living mostly in two huge cities, there was a massive police and military presence on the ground; at yet the terrorists still managed to get through at attack.

If one thinks of the far bigger size of mainland Britain the economic, social, logistical and military consequences of adopting a scale-up version of the anti-terror strategy employed in Northern Ireland are profound.

The brutal truth is that if a determined and competent terrorist gang really wishes to attack a British city there is very little that can be done to stop them and remain a functioning democracy.

Open, democratic societies are vulnerable, but radically changing the nature of society towards the national security state also has its drawbacks, the national security state is arguably a far bigger threat to our cherished freedoms and way of life than 'Islamic terrorism'.

outsider
04 April 2008 at 22:36

gruneo, please watch the videos. There is absolutely no evidence the four Muslims blamed actually did the bombings; there was no video footage of them on Underground trains or stations (how come?); the one still video of the four of them on Luton station looks like it has been cobled together; the train the police said they came to London on was cancelled, and the following train arrived in London too late to put the 'bombers' in the right positions; they did not have the profiles of suicide bombrers; they had apparently bought return tickets; three people were reported to have been shot in Canary Wharf that morning, subsequently all mention of it was dropped; and many other points of contention with the 'official' narrative. But watch the videos ('Ludicrous Diversions' is best in my opinion).

But regardless of 7/7, the vastly worse atrocity of 9/11 has absolutely masses of evidence showing that the 'official narrative' cannot be right.

And of course, 9/11 underpins the whole 'War on Terror' (sic), (even though the 'Patriot Act' was printed before 9/11, and most of the forces were in position to attack Afghanistan before 9/11).

Eventually the penny will drop, but it's extremely frustrating to have people on the Left dismissing the whole 9/11 Truth Campaign as 'conspiracy theory' without bothering to check out the evidence. We 'Truthers' know how Giordano Bruno and Galileo must have felt, re the earth going round the sun (Do what? Any fool can see the Sun goes round the Earth; just look up in the sky!!)

taghioff.info
05 April 2008 at 02:51

I read Martin's Article like this:

"The British State is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and this is becoming counter-productive. The terror laws already in place are strong enough. At the same time their is a politics of being seen to be doing something that leads to the pursuit of journalists as well as people who are now working as effective opponents to jihadism."

This is a strategic point he is making, akin to the strategic debate in the ill-fated war on drugs about harm-reduction, a debate also present in sexual health circles.

In other words, how realistic and un-moralistic are you willing to be in addressing a problem? In drugs this is about giving out free syringes or not, in sexual health it is sex education and contraception for teenagers, in this case it is about engaging with the communities as they are and working with people like Butt.

Now I don't agree with the 'War on Terror" it is largely a distraction to my mind, but I do think that the approach to it Martin is putting forward is far more pragmatic than the government's.

TheElitesWin
05 April 2008 at 09:19

Infowars.com is far more informative of the political goings on around the world, with some very eye opening accounts of events thats happening now.

Having watched documentation about 9/11 and 7/7, I am totally convinced they were inside jobs to bring us into this unjust war.

mightymark
05 April 2008 at 13:07

Sorry - 7/7 (sic) was designed to bring us into a war??????

Skiing4Pz
05 April 2008 at 18:42

taghioff.info

"Now I don't agree with the 'War on Terror" it is largely a distraction to my mind, "

I would like to see Bush and Cheney punished for war crimes but that is not going to happen. I also think focusing on what "really happened" on 9/11causes us to use energy that would be better spent turning our governments toward problems they must address.

The US population is ripe for a major change in direction. check out this story in the NY Times; http://iht.com/articles/2008/04/04/america/04poll.php

We may be ready to take some direction from more moderate voices. I think we are tired of empire building. Our military is now broken. Many in top brass of the military know we can't support 700 foreign bases and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and our planned attack on Iran. LOOK AT. Gen. William Odom: Rapid Withdrawal Is Only Solution

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040408D.shtml

We who believe that peace is the best way to deal with the problems the world faces today: Climate Change, AIDS, Food shortage, Peak Oil, and Religious Fundamentalism, may have a window of opportunity. If we act now we may be able to stop the resource wars that are already started. In the US some of the voices of reason include: Bill McKibben, Howard Zinn, Dennis Kucinich, Bill Moyers.

The only time real progress is made is when the people will take risk and get involved and get in the streets. Gandhi and Martin Luther King have given us the blueprint. A campaign like the one William Wilberforce used to stop the slave trade. That is what is called for now.

TheElitesWin
06 April 2008 at 09:22

This is for mightymark; copy and paste link and make up your own mind!

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=43316

nawawimohamad
06 April 2008 at 09:24

The violence was not caused by the mainstream Muslims but by those who felt that the US is on a new crusade against the Muslim (which is true). The problem with Britain is not the British or even the British Army but the US stooge - Mr. Tony Blair. It is just because of this one person! Now Islam and the Muslims are here to stay and have proven that they can be normal, peaceful and contributing to the economy and well being of the country they live in.

Carl Jones
06 April 2008 at 14:36

Martin and fellow commentators.

The War on Terror is a US/UK/Israeli construct. I could spend hours debunking 9/11, Bali, Madrid, Oaklahoma, Taba and so on. But lets stick with UK terror. John Reid and his chums at the SIS have already changed 7/7 evidence. The alledged 7/7 bombers arrived at Luton station at 7.21.54am.....this was the stated arrival time. The only official photograph of all four alledged bombers shows them approaching the door of Luton railway station. The orginal picture had the camera number and the time of arrival, subsequent versions of this picture had these details removed. One year later and people were demading an explination as to how the alledged bombers arrived at KingsX for there official SIS photo-shoot, which took place at 8.26am....you will note that 8.26am is a really busy time at KingsX, but the SIS managed to get all four alledged bombers in one shot with knowone else in the frame. We were told they caught the 7.40am train, but this was cancelled and other trains were delayed, so how did they get to KingsX for 8.26am?LOL

John Reid reported back that the police/SIS had changed their orginal "STORY" from 7.21.54am....to 7.15am....thus giving the alledged bombers nearly 7 minutes they never had according to the ""official"" picture.LOL We were also told the alledged bombers caught the 7.24am train which left Luton at 7.25am.LOL

Remember, we have seen no other pictures/video from Luton station that morning and there are no witnesses (or video) on the 7.24am train.

Some weeks after 7/7, West Yorkshire Police made a statement, this was reported by the MSM. WYP said that Shahzad Tanweer had £120,000 in his bank account when he alledgedly died on 7/7. Tanweer was the youngest of the alledged bombers and worked part-time in his dads chippy in Leeds. We know the police/SIS monitors cash transfers and as far as the bank is concerned, there should be an audit trail. Of course, this line of investigation has been forgotten. I have attempted to make a FOI request using the West Yorkshire Police site....so far its been ignored.lol

So lets remember what we were told about the four alledged bombers. 7/7 cost about £9,000. We are told that at least two bombers were recorded by the SIS plotting to carryout crimes inoder to raise funds for their terrorist attacks....so they had less than £9,000? We are also told they made several long trips to Pakistan, this is not cheap....

....so why did young Tanweer leave £120,000 in his bank account and then so say the STATE, kill himself in a London terror attack?

It seems the story of Tanweer`s fortune has been wiped from the internet and other MSM sources, I wonder why.lol

The last SIS false flag terror attack on London failed, but some guy driving a Mercedes down the Haymarket was able to crash the car and run away at 2am....tube closed, 98% of all buildings closed, so when he ran away his choices were a night bus with CCTV, a black cab, on the back of a motor bike, or in another car....

.....but no matter what he did, every street in London has CCTV monitored 24/7 by the police/SIS....every vehicle movement on all A and M roads are tracked by the SIS. So how did Mr Merc escape?

I`ve even heard a Glasgow airport employee say on TV, that the alledged hero was nowhere to be seen when the Jeep so say crashed into the terminal building. Initial MSM reports the Jeep travelling at normal speed and the initial picture of the jeep on fire showed only the engine bay on fire, the next picture shows the engine bay and front passenger compartment on fire with a bus about to pass from behind....still no fire engine in sight and then the final picture shows the whole Jeep on fire...but nothing exploded....the whole thing stinks.lol

I`ve been away for 17 days, but I see the 8 have gone on trial for the Liquid Bomb Plot....ONLY 8???? They arrested 19 under the UK terrorist laws and these arrests were made after several months surveilance. So were the other 11 arrests made using fake evidence, I mean, a judge did see real evidence, didn`t they?LOL

British Muslims are being used like the Irish, the War on Terror is a sham and its about time the media did their job, instead of waiting for a MI6/5 information pack.

knave
06 April 2008 at 15:20

I actually agree with Tags analysis of the situation. I think Bright's ideas are on the right line on this subject. Although you get the uneasy feeling that any government, of what ever political hue would do the same.

As a caveat, as with most of Martin's articles there are no ideas to move forward. Just negativity

As a serviceman who fought the IRA in the seventies. In the end you have to talk to your enemies, however repugnant. Some sort of dialogue has to be put in place.

Also in the end all western troops have to pulled out of the middle east.

As for the war on terror. You can use that argument for every political conflict in the last 5000 years.

Just aside

I have just read Cohen's muddled article in the Observer. No wonder so called left wing journalism is in such a state. So depressing.

Martin why are you hanging around with that Thatcherite clown.

knave
06 April 2008 at 15:31

Also you and Cohen despise Brown , fair enough but you said you another post you wanted Brown re-elected. Why if you can't stand the guy ?

Also could we have some positivity and lateral thinking in the NS.

If there are concerns with modern UK lets have ideas to sort out the problems.

jada33
07 April 2008 at 18:37

I think the issue here about Shiv Malik is absolutley terrifying (no pun intended) for the journalistic community. At what point did fighting in the name of democracy against terrorism become an Orwellian event? If a journalist has no right to protect his sources what possible way can he ensure the future of his profession? if malik does indeed work with ministers and has been useful to M15 then where is the governments communication? it screams of hysteria and police terrorism target quotas. As far as HAssan Butt is concerned, I do think that he should have to serve time at some point but that his sentence should be viewed in light of the good work he has done. I would be interested to find out what the actual figures are for people he has deradicalised and how indeed he did so... Fitna... do we privaledge respect for other rleigions over freedom of speech?

Serosch
08 April 2008 at 13:57

Jl is most Definitely a Mossad clone, the culture of Europe for the last 1500 years has benn Christian, it is Mossad clones who attach Israel/Judaism to everything so as to appear a part of Europe.

During the Jewist attack on Lebanon, Mossad sent instructions to Jews in the West to wave the Israeli falag alongside the flag of the country they were resident in, the intention being to make it appear as if that nation was supporting the mass murder being commited by Jews in Lebanon.

outsider
08 April 2008 at 21:15

nawawimohamad, PLEASE check out 9/11 Truth sites before you accept the 'narratives' of War Criminals like Bushco & Bliar. Why in God's name do you accept that Muslims did 9/11 (or 7/7, but there is less evidence on that one)? Check out videos like 'Loose Change 2', 'Loose Change Final Cut', '911 Mysteries', 'Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime', & 'Confronting the Evidence'; read David Ray Griffin's books, and Webster Tarpley's 'Synthetic Terror'. Read Daniele Ganser's 'NATO's Secret Armies', about CIA terror gangs in Europe since the end of WWII.

You owe it to your Muslim brothers around the world, who are getting murdered, tortured, raped, and their countries' resources stolen, to inform yourself, and then spread the word to others. I'm a Christian (but not of the Bush & Bliar variety, and I have campaigned against human rights abuses since the '70's; I intend to continue.

Carl Jones - great post, I trust you're aware of 'J7 news'? One thing, though, it appears you may not know about the impossibility of the 'Liquid bomb plot' (google it). It just isn't feasible.

Carl Jones
09 April 2008 at 00:21

outsider: I am fully aware that putting together the components of a liquid bomb on a passenger plane are impossible.....

....well, if you are very lucky, you might kill yourself in the planes toilets, leaving them in need of re-decoration, but that about it.LOL

Do you know why the SIS kicked off the liquid bomb plot?{:¬D

Remember the New of the World spying on important people? Well, the NoftheW is owned by Ruppert Murdoch. this illegal spying was targetting Gordon Brown, Prince Charles and Ken Livingston....of course, they were spying on loads of people and the SIS knew this, but only decided to act when the above newspaper learned that the three above named were plotting the "legal" removal of Tony Blair...

...of course, Mr Murdoch was told the bad news. Around this time, Blair was on a "state" visit to California (lol). Murdoch flew out to meet his Fox News team, but took the opportunity to inform Blair of the plot against him....

...as a result, a man, who`s name was on a LHR terror list, was ""ALLOWED"" to board a BA flight to New York. When the flight was halfway across the pond, they called the captain about the terrorist suspect onboard, he was asked to continue to NY where the suspect would be arrested.

Of course, the captain had other thoughts and turned his "speedbird" around to return to LHR. We don`t know if the alledged terrorist was real, or not. But nothing happed when the plane returned to LHR. This SIS false flag op failed.

This failure led to the speedy deployment of the Liquid Bomb Plot. Its global shockwaves were supposed to derail Brown`s attempted coup. A raft of junior ministers did resign and at the party conference, we also had the Blair`s inner circle ranting in the MSM at Brown`s plotting, but as usual, the MSM failed to ask the question, how was Brown`s attempted coup discovered? The NoftheW 3 admitted guilt and the judge shut the trial down and press spying was swept under the table....Masons everywhere!lol

Due to Murdoch`s use of illegally gained information, the legal course of British history was forever changed. Blair hung on for another 9 months....no doubt in the hope that someone, something could stop the Brown train.

I can`t remember the coppers name who led the investigation into the Liquid Bomb Plot. But he messed up his first plot related media interview. He said the bombs were to be put together on the planes.....household chemicals!!!!LOL

The HS told us that the alledged bombers were under surveilance for several months.....19 suspects were arrested under the UK terror laws. In order to make these arrests, the police/SIS must show a judge evidence of terrorism. We now know that only 8 suspects are on trial....remember, 19 suspects were under surveilance for several months....so why haven`t the other 11 been put on trial, or was the evidence rigged?LOL

The police went on to search the woods near High Wycombe, but I have been informed the media cought officials in the same woods days before the official search started....who these officials were, I `m not sure. But I suspect the SIS.

The war on terror is a US/UK/Israeli counstruct and that goes for 7/7 and the Haymarket attempt. The previous comment by "outsider" mentions NATO`s secret armies, but you could also google "Operation Northwoods"....if you don`t, this was a US military plot to cause acts of terror on the US public and military in the US, in the hope that public opinion would back a US invasion of Cuba......KENNEDY, and ONLY KENNEDY stopped this SICK NWO plan. We can see its reflection in 9/11 and Iraq.

The main article and many of the comments are locked in a small box. They are peddling NWO brainwashing, they seek the construction of fear, similar to that peddled in the Cold War, "reds under the bed", and this fear by the same neocons who constructed the war on terror SHAM.

taghioff.info
09 April 2008 at 06:17

@Carl

For instance, this is much more scary:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/apr/09/food.unite...

knave
09 April 2008 at 20:00

Martin I agree wit some of what you say but will you be saying it when Nicks Cohen hero Cameron is elected.

I doubt it because if past history shows anything then there will be no journalistic challenge to the Tories.

In the eighties the only opposition was a few latex puppets who the humourless Cohen disliked intensely.

Also Martin when are we going to get your vision of the UK you want.

Ideas and solutions instead of snide digs at Brown.

If you are a progressive man of the left lets have an article to see what type of society you want and how you are going to achieve this.

You critisise Labour for been bereft of ideas.

So don't you think the NS should fill that vacuum.

Carl Jones
09 April 2008 at 23:24

taghioff.info

I`ve been "bannned" from BBC forums for over a year, and I can tell you that I was posting about the subject in your link then.

While the War on Terror is a construct, so is the cost of oil and the wider credit crunch.

In China, doctors have concluded that a father has caught H5N1 from his dying son....this is direct transmission!!! Has this been on the news here?

I don`t know when its going to happen. But my guess is anytime from now and 15 years out. The world is going to be depopulated, and this by NWO command. It could look like somothing natural like bird flu (which its not), or it could be a combination of natural looking events. These events could be coupled with a terrorist attack using a biological weapon. But it will be planned.

We are talking about a reduction in the world population from 6.5 billon, down to 2 billion, but some go even lower....500 million and lower.

Imagine the age of sail, but factor in that everything was supported by sail power, like oil today....now imagine the wind dropping to zero and nothing to take over from oil. This is what we face with oil depletion. No known energy source can compete with oil. Not that long ago, Goldman Sachs said oil would hit $100 a barrel....it didn`t take long. Now there are forecats of $250 and $400 a barrel. With the Bush neocons backing the use of food production to support biofuels, it has become clear the NWO has a multi-faceted policy on population.

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gordy
10 April 2008 at 04:32

I've seen Wilders interviewed several times and support his hard, cold logic. Islam HAS been hijacked by dangerous forces, manipulating angry, callow youths in an effort to destroy our democratic values.

Sitting on our hands spouting wishy-washy Pollyanna statements is not going to prevent our soft underbelly being exploited. We have to take the war to the enemy and not wait to be blown up by them.

taghioff.info
10 April 2008 at 06:51

@ Carl

What is happening is frightening, though I subscribe more to farce than conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories assume that those in charge know what is going on. Having met a few of them, I am not convinced.

One of the dangers we face is that are financial institutions are built on the notion of producing money by lending it out at interest. This implies (since more money must come back than went out) an ever increasing money supply.

This in turn implies, unless you want inflation, an ever increasing supply of goods and services. Now you can pretend that we will use natural resources so productively in future that this won't matter, but the figures don't support this. So far every doubling in GDP has involved a doubling in natural resources used.

Our economies are simply not greening at the rate required to make our lending based system sustainable, nor is technology likely to raise natural resource productivity that quickly.

The farce is that those in charge don't really understand this, So the NWO is actually a global recipe for disorder, little understood, and very badly organised for the circumstances we face ahead of us.

taghioff.info
10 April 2008 at 07:04

Oh and this is not just my thinking on the subject, this is stuff people like Goerge Monbiot and Bernard Liatier have been talking about for a little while.

Here is what I consider to be my contribution to the debate:

http://taghioff.info/dant/?p=66

Carl Jones
10 April 2008 at 11:26

taghioff.info

"Producing money"...banks are supposed to lend no more than 10 times their assets. In reality, this is way higher with all these unregulated financial tools.

If I borrow £10,000, that money never existed until the loan was approved, when I sign the credit agreement, I agree to pay the bank interest on money that never existed a few seconds ago....the economy just grew by £10,000.

What went wrong? The US economy should have been corrected in 2000/2001 and the US should have cut its cloth accordingly and become a poorer nation. But the NWO decided that countering the Chinese threat, depleting oil, with a land/oil grab. Greenspan cut US rates knowing the longterm consequences, and Bush gave the rich a huge tax cut...they both knew what they were doing. Anyone who says this credit crunch wasn`t planned has been living on the farside of the Moon!LOL

Over inflated energy costs are leading to crippling food costs, Bush is pushing food backed biofuels and this will impact on China and Asia. If we had one large volcanic erruption now, global temps could drop by a few degrees and 100`s of milions could starve....grain stocks are at their lowest in 50 years, some say 70 years. The other day, Chinese doctors decided that a father caught H5N1 from his dying son.....confirmed human to human transmission....this man made virus kills over half of all who become infected....have we heard much about this on the news here? No.

Things are brewing which will make 9/11 and Iraq look like a childs birthday party in McD`s.LOL

LHegarty
10 April 2008 at 11:58

The government's anti-terror strategy is a shining example of Labours opportunistic reactionary politics. Be it with the economy , the health service or national security, constantly addressing the surface level symptom issues and failing to deal with the deeper causes will be the shining legacy of Gordon Brown.

Being born and raised a white british ethnic minority in predominently muslim areas of Birmingham I can categorically state that the unaddressed issue of the Islamification of cities is and will raise 'homegrown terroists'.

When parts of Birmingham had a fair representation of indigenous british citizens the cultural diversity of the area enhanced it. My view and that which several muslims of my generation (mid thirties) have echoed to me, is that many younger muslims have no desire to integrate and there is no need for them to do so.

They are now able to mix almost exclusively with fellow muslims and have no need to absorb traditional British culture. As a direct consequence of this most develop no affinity for Britain as a nation.

All cultures have a small element capable of dreadful actions and many more that 'hate the system.' This alongside the speed with which the muslim community expands means if the issue is not confronted we will without doubt be facing rivers of blood. NOT due to multi cultured society. NOT due to the fact we have a large muslim population the majority of which are peaceful. BECAUSE the total Islamification of inner city areas eradicates Britishness and is allowed by an incompetent government that has absolutely no understanding on these issues

redharry
10 April 2008 at 13:45

Compare the 'kid gloves' treatment given to self-confessed terrorist recruiter Hassan Butt to the prosecution of the "Lyrical Terrorist" who did little more than write bad poetry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7084801.stm

An odd double standard don't you think Martin?

Some people could smell a rat which is probably why Butthead was eventually arrested - probably for show.

see

http://theislamist.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/if-he-funded-ter...

'After reading all of this, I question why Butt has not been arrested. By his own admission he sent arms to the Taliban, he organised training for 200 British Muslims to fight in the Jihad, he collected monies for terrorism, he incited others to terrorism, he encouraged attacks on political and military targets in the UK and he associated with the 7/7 bombers

Just because he has had a sudden change of heart and is now writing a “kiss and tell” book, surely this does not exonerate him before the law. If Harold Shipman had said when he was found out that he had regretted his previous actions, would he have got off scott free and been able to sell his stories to newspapers and publishers?'

matproctor
12 April 2008 at 06:38

"British schooling is the home of institutional racism. There is no place for a foreign cultures, languages and faiths in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers"

Ifkitahr - you think you and yours are better than others big man? think religious or ethnic background demands differential treatment? believe races can't mix?

WHO IS THE RACIST?

As a mixed-race, former East Oxford resident, schooled in a comprehensive that would make UN Plaza look like The Archers, and which produced successful, determined, EDUCATED young men commited to their community, I beg to disagree with your beliefs, and hope one day you realise that the colour of a man's skin should make no more difference than the colour of his eyes..and as for religion?

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR, TOUGH GUY, AND TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WOULD WISH TO BE TREATED.

may all racists, all those believing in racial or spiritual superiority open their eyes to ALL of God's creation, of all hues.

degel
21 April 2008 at 18:48

iftikhar, muslims must also learn to live alongside the other Brits. Your argument, that schools are bastions of anti-Muslim racism is generalised and therefore untrue by and large.

And I see that serosch has left his fouled nest at Comment is Free to come and post his paranoid rubbish here. Plus ca change...

javK
25 June 2008 at 06:57

If the government (and the US) focused on causes rather than tactics they may make some headway.

Tactics being used are violence and the causes are political oppression in the Muslim world through blind sponsoring of tyrannical western ruling elites (eg Saudis, Kuwaitis, Moroccans, Egyptians etc) , continual interference/wars, propping up israel, supporting tyrants (eg karimov of uzbek. who boils political prisoners!) etc

The following article gives a good insight...

http://islamic-considerations.blogspot.com/

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