“The whole thing was a circus, so I played the clown”
Jonnie Marbles, who was imprisoned after attacking Rupert Murdoch with a foam pie, talks about his time inside.
By Laurie Penny Published 22 August 2011 18:05
Activist and comedian Jonnie Marbles was jailed for two weeks for attacking Rupert Murdoch with a foam pie. Millions around the world watched as the 26-year-old lobbed a plate of shaving foam at the ageing billionaire during the select committee hearing on July 17. I came to meet him on the day of his release from Wandsworth Prison, where he talked to me about activism, fatherhood, and what life's like on the inside.
Hi Jonnie. How was Prison?
Prison was less scary than you might imagine. The first day I was in there, still feeling quite nervous and not knowing where I was, I went back into my cell during the social hour to make a cigarette, and four people stood around the door looking out for the guards. I thought, oh no, here we go, and this small, beefy guy came right up to me, looked me in the eye, and said 'Are you Jonnie? Murdoch sent me.' And a tiny bit of my brain was convinced I was about to have my first prison fight. Then we both broke into these huge grins and shook hands, and he got me to sign my autograph on a copy of the Sun! I ended up in the same wing that Charlie Gilmour was on, and I understand that he made friends there as well.
So - why the pie?
Some people I met in in prison said I should have thrown a grenade instead, but I'm not a violent person. There's a tradition in comedy of throwing pies at people - it shows they're human, it shows they can be brought down to size. Rupert Murdoch is one of the reasons that democracy hasn't flourished in the way that it should in the Western world. I try not to hate people, but it's hard not to hate a man who does so many bad things. I talked to a few friends about it first, most of whom thought I was joking, but I was quite determined that, if the opportunity arose, I was going to put a pie in Rupert Murdoch's face.
You were attacked by Wendi Deng. Did she draw blood?
At the time I thought she'd missed, but the next day I looked in the mirror and realised there was a scratch right across my face. It was probably the adrenaline, and the sheer weirdness of the situation. Time slowed down, as it does at those moments. I felt scared, i knew it was something that was going to be a big deal one way or the other, and i just focused on getting it done. She stood up, and I just managed to get it onto his face, then she scratched me across the face, and - fair play to her - picked up the pie and threw it back at me. I have this really clear and vivid memory of looking into her eyes, and seeing something really deep and scary there. Love's always a good thing, no matter who it's between. But to portray her as a ninja or some sort of Asian tiger, like the press have been doing, strikes me as racist, and actually takes away from what she did, which was very brave, at the end of the day.
Some people say you interrupted the course of justice...
During Tom Watson's speech, I actually thought, "maybe I won't have to do this, he's bringing this man to such amazing account that i can just go home.' But during the rest of the hearing I started despairing, because no-one was asking the Murdochs anything incisive. If we'd had ten Tom Watsons sitting around that table i wouldn't have done what I did.
I think the reason that a lot of people were so negative is that they really thought they were watching a trial, a trial I had interrupted. But a select committee has so few powers. The judge at my appeal compared what I did to contempt of court, but if they had been in a court I wouldn't have done it, there'd have been no need. If we had any real justice in our society, the dock is exactly where the Murdochs would have been. Instead, it was a circus, so I played the clown.
You received a lot of criticism for your stunt. Were you surprised?
A lot of people think I did this for publicity, and maybe that's understandable -if I wasn't me, I'd probably think the same thing, but actually I hadn't thought about the aftermath. Over the two weeks while I waited for my court hearing, I basically stayed in hiding. The day afterwards I had to go out, so I put on a hoodie and shaved my beard off as an attempt not to get recognised - but funnily enough, I found I hadn't got any shaving foam left - I'd used it all on the pie!
I was shocked at some of the reaction in the media and on Twitter, and some of it really upset me, because clearly some people thought it was so wrong, and I've always respected other people's opinions. I did question what I'd done afterwards. But the fact that I've also had a huge number of positive reactions from people makes a difference. I can't name names, but some celebrities and MPs sent me notes to say well done.
You weren't expecting to be sent to prison, though.
When I heard the verdict, I was in shock - nobody had expected me to go to jail, but the judge in my case, Daphne Wickham, is known for being very hard on protesters of any kind. I kept a brave face while they took me down, but I did get very upset during the processing period, I actually did cry, because I started thinking about my son, and how upset he'd be, and how he was going to have to come back from the holiday we had been planning to take together. Luckily, one of the guards was very nice to me - he didn't seem to care what I'd done, just saw another human being in distress. People are awesome - people are the best thing there is in this world, and we should all care about each other more
So what was your routine like in prison?
I was taken straight to Wandsworth, where you're locked in for about 23 hours a day in a small shared cell, with a television, two bunkbeds, a little desk, and a toilet with a curtain that you pull across so the other person doesn't see you. Wandsworth is one of the worst prisons in the country. All I could do was sit and write to my friends. For the first few days inside I found myself trading tobacco for paper, and I very quickly had a bit of a racket going on!
Prison isn't like American TV dramas. You get given a rubbish red or blue t-shirt, a rubbish pair of jogging bottoms, a rubbish grey jumper, and a welcome pack with a plastic knife, spoon, cup, fork and bowl, one piece of writing paper, an envelope and a pen. Most of the food is so horrible that you end up throwing it away - they're given about two pounds per day to feed each prisoner.
The thing that really struck me about prison was how nobody cares about you. Your fellow prisoners care about you, but the institution doesn't care about you. I didn't get to make a phone call for six days, because the administration is incompetent, even though I needed to sort out childcare with my ex-wife. Apathy and incompetence is no way to punish people - it doesn't breed respect for the system, it just breeds contempt.
On my last day of prison, I went along to the church service, partly becuase it got me out of my cell for an hour - you quickly learn how important that is. So I sang along with the hymns, and then one of the ministers started talking about Rupert Murdoch, and how powerful God is, and how if you wrong him he'll humble you. The minister said, Murdoch is a man who kings and heads of state would bow down to, and then he was put in front of the committee, and a man came up and threw a pie in his face: praise be! I went up to the minister afterwards and said, "I hadn't realised i was doing the Lord's work.'
Your real name is Jonathan May-Bowles. Are you secretly posh?
My mum was a librarian and my dad was an accountant. I had a relatively normal middle-class upbringing in Windsor, and went to a grammar school. I became a father when I was seventeen, so I went straight to work for Ladbrokes for three years, which was a fascinating experience. I got involved in activism almost by accident in 2009, when I went on the Great Climate Swoop as a favour to a friend of my sister's - my sister is an amazing activist and a great inspiration to me. I just turned up, and suddenly I'm running through the woods being chased by horses, trying to improvise consensus decision-making with people I'd never met before. It was one of those moments where you know, instantly, that nothing's ever going to be the same again.
My family have been completely on side. My mum said the most wonderfully mum-ish thing in the world - she said, 'I don't think that was a wise thing to do, but it was very brave.' My girlfriend has been amazing. The next day, when I was dealing with all of the press in the world trying to get in touch, and Twitter, and all the criticism, she was the person who made me shut down the computer and go to be
Was it strange, being inside during the riots in London?
I was actually moved wings because of the riots, they needed space in E Wing. The response from prisoners was interesting - some of them were annoyed they couldn't be out there looting as well, and some of them were absolutely appalled. At least it meant that people suddenly wanted to watch the news. Before that, Come Dine With Me is what we were mainly watching. Endless, endless episodes of Come Dine With Me.
More and more young activists are being imprisoned, some of them for much longer stretches than you. Do you have any advice for them?
Firstly, you get used to prison very, very quickly. Try to find positive ways of using your time while you're in there. Don't just vegetate in front of the TV, no matter what everyone else is doing. Even if they're not giving you work programmes, you can write, you can read, you can talk to other people, you can meet some of the most fascinating and amazing people in there, whether or not they're good people. I don't think prison helps anyone - but activists need to not be scared of prison if we want to change the world.
Are you sorry?
No, not at all. If anything, I'm less sorry now than I was before prison.
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72 comments
You've spelled 'because' wrong and there's a grammatical error in this article.
Fix up, look sharp.
Really enjoyed the article.
I am now a Laurie Penny fan.
I am shocked though!
I didn't realise there were so many sanctimonious pricks who read the New Statesman online.
I am inspired, an ex-headteacher, to launch the next custard pie ...
Goofy Gove? or Slasher Osborne? or Slimy Cameron? or what about Whining Warsi?
This guy is my hero. He did what millions of people dream of doing....bringing down a creepy gangster to size and making a fool of him. He sounds like an intelligent, thinking man. I admire him. I think he should have got an award from the Queen, not a prison sentence.
So only 70 comments... Looks as if Miss Penny's popularity is waning. That's not surprising given Miss Penny immature and often childish rants.
This is mental, good and proper.
Jonnie didn't derail or detract from anything; he stuck a pie in someone's face. Perhaps a bucket of whitewash would have been more appropriate for a select committee. But that is yet to come, I suspect.
This is the same women that defended Gilmour, saying the sentence was to harsh!! The Sentence wasn't harsh enough. Gilmour deserves everything he got. Gilmour should be locked up for the 'pathetic' excuse that he was on valium, whisky and LSD (!) at the time. Judges can smell bullshit!! Disrespecting our honoured dead to me deserves something in the region of 5 to 10 years, same for those who burn poppies on Armistice day. Needless to say. Miss Penny would also spring to their defence...
Bigging up the middle class autonomist warriors Laurie? Perhaps it’s the exhibitionist factor that attracts you. Why worry about authentic emacipatory politics when you make a spectacle of yourself.
Can you really call someone an activist and comedian when they change nothing and aren't funny?
Why NS has chosen to legitimise this fool's actions (and the work of Laurie Penny come to think of it) is a mystery to all and sundry.
Knob.
I did find it somewhat unsporting of Mr May-Bowles, aka as Mr Marbles, to throw a pie filled with shaving foam at poor Mr Murdoch's head. The pie should obviously have contained a gooey custard filling, so that Mr Murdoch could have enjoyed licking it off his chin. Apart from that, Mr Marbles exhibited great moderation - there is no small number of persons who feel Mr Murdoch deserving of missives of an entirely different type than a pie....
Henri
Simon Cooper 'millions of people dream of doing' Doing what? Attacking a man in his 80s. You sick individual. ....'bringing down a creepy gangster to size and making a fool of him' Mr Murdoch was clearly unwell, but still walked away smiling. Mr Jonathan May-Bowles did no one any favours by attacking this unwell, old man.. Do you think the Murdoch children will forget this public outrage?
"Do you regret what you did?
No, not at all. If anything, I'm less sorry now than I was before prison."
Goddamn right! And yes, if there is a Lord in heaven that has any sense of justice, Jonnie was indeed doing His work.
"but activists need to not be scared of prison if we want to change the world."
People on the left have grand schemes to make the world a "better place" but they never seem to consider the unintended consequences of their actions. Throwing a pie in the face of Rupert Murdoch is a good example. You managed to alienate a large number of people who might have been on your side by attacking an elderly man in such a manner.
If you want to change the world get a job. We actually live in a wonderful country where the majority of the population have an incredible standard of living. The reason for this standard of living is the free interaction of all of us who work to provide goods and services for others and in return benefit from them working to provide goods and services to us. If you have a job like this then you are making the world a better place.
My problem is that he hasn't actually made a political point. Can anyone tell me what this Jonnie Marbles was trying to draw our attention to?
It's not like Murdoch is getting away with this hacking stuff, he's in a lot of sh*t and it's only getting worse.
It seems to me all he was trying to do was humiliate Murdoch which isn't a political point. Some people might think he deserves that but it shouldn't be dressed up as a political act.
"Can you really call someone an activist and comedian when they change nothing and aren't funny?"
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Does it really mean he's posh if he has a double-barrelled surname? Really?
Comedian interviewed by a clown.
@Lutheran & @Arturo. You're both right about Mr Marbles- he's not an activist and he didn't change anything with his stunt, but why be such humourless twats about it?
By the way "Arturo", the fact that a knobhead like you has appropriated the name of one of the 20th Century's greatest literary characters must has Jon Fante spinning in his grave.
I don't believe a word of this. Mr Marbles became Mr Bridger within a day of being incarcerated - yeah, absolutely.
What a load of bollox.
Oh and Laurie - he's a mate of yours isn't he?
lutheran theran, well said
Will people stop saying this guy has anything to do with being "from the left" please?
He wasn't an activist, he wasn't a comedian. He was an asshole out for attention, and I am rather pleased that Murdochs wife walloped him one for assaulting a geriatric man at a committee hearing.
I want Murdoch brought to justice and his capitalist propaganda machine disassembled. When someone does this kind of crap it jeopardizes that, and that is the last thing those of us on the left really need.
Looks like the tide is slowly turning against L.Penny's style of journalism. Someone with a bit too much time on their hands has done us the admirable service of annihilating her awful Meat Market book. I read the first ten pages at a Foyles and didn’t feel the need to purchase. Is all this just a symptom of the crisis the left is in?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1846945216/ref=cm_cr_pr_redirect...
I think Johnnie Marbles has lost his. That is not what an activist does- speaking from someone who has been one all my life.
What this buffoon did was take the focus off Murdoch and send millions to the internet looking for his wife instead of focusing on the travesty that passes for press.
It was not justice, it was not funny, it was ill conceived and ill timed and more the devil's work that took the focus off a real devil.
How arrogant to think that you could speak for me! It was not helpful, it was not activism and you did not speak for me. You slowed the process and diverted the natural course of real justice for someone who has truly devolved humanity.
Just wondering why the New Statesman has turned into the old school paper, run by the snobby middle class prefects who feel they are better then everyone else.
Hey, just my opinion ;-)
well at least laurie penny gets up of her arse and appears on telly to give her opinion instead of slagging off people behind there backs in articles,,i think that is a very cheap shot by you lutheran thanon posting some link about someone bithing about laurie penny,,you sound like a nasty little net troll lutheran thanon full of cheap shots..grow up man
Oh and @PlatoSays @Paul @Sir Michael spot on!
Expect Laurie to be interviewing Charlie Gilmour next week and then any of her other Gap Year Activists
Wow, the majority of the comments here are pretty bitter and stupid. Are you guys really still moaning on about what Jonnie did helping Murdoch? There were none of these terrible con sequences and no need for any personal attacks.
I think the events of the past month have put it into perspective somewhat, for us rational people at least. Get over it guys, what's done is done and it's still one of the funniest things I have ever seen.
Lutheran,
I read it and, no is my answer. It is more indicative of a crisis in literary criticism; It made some points that might stand scrutiny, but carried too much invective to be taken very seriously.
What people need is someone who really knows what it is like to work in a whole variety of different occupations and to come from a comprehensive school. We don't need any more public school gob shites to represent us in any shape or form. http://www.furniture101.net/
Don't listen to the sad trolls Jonnie! Anyone who believes a select committee of a corrupted, uneffective and morally bankrupt legislature can hold a man of Murdoch's power to account is living in noddyland. Whether or not one agrees with the pie - would a single one of your detractors even consider being incarcerated for a cause greater then their bellies and bank balances? Of course not. Was recently told by a rather *eminent* individual that not a single person who remembers Wapping or Hillsborough would do you down.
What he played was the dumb motherfucker. Rupert needed a distraction, and you gave him exactly what he wanted. Well done, you enormous bell-end.
"You were attacked by Wendi Deng". Attacked? Really? What drivel
Marbles inability to make people laugh is well documented (his own videos posted on YouTube). This "interview" just provides further evidence that she isn't a journalist. She's just an activist whose been given a media outlet.
- "Are you posh?" = perfect straight man set up for I'm an "ordinary man of the people" answer.
- "You were attacked by" = Marbles was an innocent bystander - Wendi Deng wasn't defending her husband. How could she be? She's an evil Murdoch.
- "More young activists" = old activists don't count when you are using the New Statesman to build the Laurie "Voice of a Generation" Penny brand.
The intervention by this drongo (cretinous oxygen thief) ruined the already snail-like interrogation of the Murdochs.
"there is no small number of persons who feel Mr Murdoch deserving of missives of an entirely different type than a pie"
Some of the commentary here truly depresses me. We on the left are supposed to advocate concepts such as social justice and people being treated fairly across the board. People we disagree with being attacked by idiots is what we consider to be the domain of the angry right.
Had Tony Benn took a pie in the face from a Daily Express reading yobbo the outrage from the people supporting Marbles here would have been palpable. But because it is someone "on the other side", we accept, even condone the actions of this idiot.
This isn't politics, it's just tribalism.
RM. The only individuals left with pie on their faces was Jonathan May-Bowles, and of course Miss Penny for supporting this reprobate.
Well done Jonnie. You dished out more justice to Murdoch than the legal system ever will.
Sir Michael:
'People we disagree with being attacked by idiots is what we consider to be the domain of the angry right'
Is it really!! you could of fooled me. The political-left hate others points of view. This cretin is just true to form, quit the typical lefty. The left are doing themselves no favours by supporting or engaging in riotous behaviour or typing sympathetic articles about 'un-funny' comedian, attacking a man in his 80s... What does the general pubic remember about the Murdoch interview? Pies, a 'cretin' and a brave women. Well done. Mr Jonathan May-Bowles.
Total loser!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l3_gwIOTGI
what odds this middle class failed comedian jonnie marbles after his 15 minutes of fame ends up on the new big brother series after the so called celebrity one finishes,,i just cant be arsed with these wannabe class wariors who live a life privalige with rich mommy and daddy in the middle class leafy surburbs..
"If you want to change the world get a job."
Yes. Because to the right wing, work is the answer to every problem.
NS shouldn't have legitimised this fool.
Well done Mrs Nobody you've dished out more nonsense than anyone on this site will ever do.
I know what you mean stuart by all these wannabe middle class warriors. They don't even look or sound like warriors. Sometimes I think it is a comedy act within a comedy act.
What's really funny is that they are all so earnest. They criticise but they don't provide an alternative.
Now laughing at the pathetic racist who can't even spell 'patois'.
(Pre-emptively: Yes I know there's a typo in my previous comment, keyboard slippage is not comparable to ignorance.)
thing is mr divine bruv,,has this guy ever told a joke that is funny,,case closed..
What I find truly sad is that Laurie Penny is still working as a journalist for this magazine. She wouldn't have been employed by it ten years ago. I believe she dreams up half of her articles and makes up the rest. She then uses the magazine to defend those buddies of hers like Jonny Marbles and Charlie Gilmour, who both consider themselves to be "class warriors" as does she, yet none of them have ever faced real problems in their entire existance, get rid.
I thought his statement 'This is the humblest day of my life' was funny.
Stuart Eels - Just because Laurie Penny comes from a background that the middle class can't relate to let alone the poorest in society, doesn't mean we should be dismissive of her.
If David Cameron can argue that his background doesn't stop him from being able to relate to normal people then the same should go for Laurie Penny, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBY-0n4esNY
I think I saw some pie on your face too Luddite. Don't tell me you've licked it off... you greedy pig.
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