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There's something about punishment and hierarchy that holds a guilty appeal for the British public.
Helen. Mr D doesn't make any secret of it, why should he, as you will know it's nothing to be ashamed of. I'm sure he won't be offended; you weren't to know.
My wife just said i should stop drinking and stop caring.... that's impossible it's in the blood.,.
"You need to put that same energy into building communes and coops. "
Can't help thinking this one is a sensible and productive suggestion. Marches are easy. They make people think they are doing something and diffuse discontent. Hell, I even suspect they are a means of simulating discontent for the sake of pretending ourselves meaningful and effective moral agents. for myself at least, 'suffering' lost its 'real' meaning quite some time ago.
The above suggestion requires work, strategy, communication and real committment. The Attlee Settlement, universal sufferage all came at the cost of a good deal of organisation and a fair bit of mortal injury too. I don't really see why this state of play should have changed?
Mr D: I think you will find that Stuart is just about to have his first cabinet reshuffle, you will almost certainly be sacked for making a statement like that. It's the wigwams or nothing!
Let's not have such rank insubordination so early on in what promises to be a resoundingly successful Government for the future. Order, Please!
We should allow in 100 million more people into Britain over the next 10 years. Many of these could be employed as caretakers for the new communal housing projects. You could have them from different parts of the Commonwealth but as I said earlier cooking and farming abilities would be part of the job description... it can be either the man or the woman who has these abilities. I think a married team with small children would be ideal. You could get food from different parts of the world. The communal housing could also be a place where other people come for a nosh up... this a money making opportunity for the commune. Keep it canteen style.
The simple truth of economic growth is an increase in numbers. Just allow 4 million new people every year and you'd get a big economic stimulus. You get new housing being put up and jobs created for the new demand. Its the simple story of growth, increase demand.
Did you know that brand spanking really good new 4 bedroom houses are for sale in Florida for $100,000? I would encourage the USA to let their borders be freed up and allow at least 15 million new Latin Americans each year into the States. I would cosy up to the American president and when I met in my London cabinet office and I would put forward the suggestion that we allow more people into our countries to stimulate demand. And I would put forward the proposal that communal style projects should be State Funded in their country, especially in Texas. Land reform should be instigated that would allow the break up of any large sized commercial ranch or farm and after being used for the purposes of communal housing. Compensation would be given to the companies. But at present 50% of US armed forces should be scaled back within 10 years.
I have more, do want to hear more?
Luddite: I think may be you should come back when you are sober? But yes I do work thank you, I run a Legal Advice service and a very successful one too.
Oh and listen to your wife, that stuff makes people offensive and wrecks the old liver.
No, I think I'm allowed to appoint myself this is a democracy isn't it?
"The only poverty i see is poverty of aspiration."
There may well be some truth to this, however this just leads to various other questions, like 'What constitutes aspiration?', 'Are there other constitutional forms of decent aspiration?' 'Should a life necessarily be measured by its success in business?' etc.
Also, if there are such things as 'weakness of character', should such people be left alone to suffer as a result? There are many types of human constitution and many ways of living dignified, decent and worthwhile lives. There is no question that you have done well in succeeding under the prevailing social modal and congratulations on that. No doubt you suffered to get there too. I'm just not convinced that you can extrapolate from your own hard-won acheivements and say the same thing is possible for all others. We are not all constituted the same, nor do we measure by the same values.
Have I mentioned my blog at all?
No, it's anarchy! You can't appoint yourself, I want welfare and that's that, I've got my appointment, you've got the wigwams and that's all there is to it. Come on let's not have discontent, we are only one day in to our new term! Order order.
What does it matter if you or if you don't appoint yourself as one of the ministers.
what is wrong with mayhem blog government?
Why are assuming that blog government has to be run on the same lines as the House of Commons?
My wife, the kids and her mother and brother in laws couldn't get back to my house about 10 days ago. All the roads were cut off due to floods. She got home by parking about 500 metres from our house, crossing a reserve that had a knee high rushing stream. It was wet as anything. I think I told you about white van neighbour carrying his mattress... it was the same day.
Next day the water went. But about a mile away, down through my back paddock, via a reserve path, is a lake. The lake had lots of pieces of wood many of them already cut pieces with had been caught in the flood waters.
You can't get into the lake area with a car. But I have bicycle with a trailer so I spent three days going to the lake and collecting these pieces of wood. I must have got about $400 worth. And today I went to a path by the river and took some cut wood from the river reserve. It had been cut by council because of the flood and I had noticed it when I had earlier walked along the path.
I have a chain saw which has just be serviced. I'm ready to get stuck into wood on a property just up the road... even though I don't need it until next year. The thing is I've the firewood collecting bug. Hunting firewood is quite fulfilling with similar sense of achievement as skip diving.
That's why I'm also the Immigration Minister.
I think this proves without doubt why I should be allowed to do what I want
Stuart, Phil, if things are as you say or see them. Start your own party. There are plenty of smart lefties in here (smart lefties) oxymoron? Over here at the opposite end of the spectrum the Tea Party has people up and at em. You have guys like Phil, Nick, Stuart, and many others with the same outlook and frustrations. Get a hold of Laurie and make her your party leader. Now you have the Commie and Feminist vote, and probably a slew of other women looking for a voice. Although I think Laurie is more of a Humanitarian than Commie. She has simply picked the wrong path to manifest her desires for humanity. Look around you in the blog alone, and there are tens of thousands of ya’al that are very intelligent and motivated. It’s just a pity ya’al are a collection of misguided pinkos. If there is one thing your elite fear it’s a movement from the grass roots. Not a rioting bunch of hooligans or protesting citizens. Get off yer butts and get organized, but do it from within. There has never been a better time or opportunity. Strike while the iron is hot, or shut tha f*ck up.
Luddite: Oh and before you retort with some stuff over how 'cushy' legal advice must be, let me dispel the myth. It's hard work and very target driven when dealing with remuneration on a fixed fee basis. I pride our service on not just number crunching but delivering quality as well, we are very well respected and a leading service provider in our county. It's a demanding challenge which many find hard to keep up with.
On the subject of hard work, preparing cases is no easy task especially when it's a complex case. Judges are meticulous and the success or failure of a case can depend on the detail so it has requires endless hours of burning the midnight oil. But the legal side of it is only part, the other side is development and social policy. Posting on NS is my chance to air my views free of everything PC. I have a number of achievements in the form of binding judgements and regularly deliver training courses and so forth to many agencies.
Well Laurie, you are truly a bitter and twisted person who takes the worst possible view of the motivation (and even psychological state) of those people whose policies you disagree with.
I suggest you learn a bit more about business, accounting, basic mathematics, economics before deciding that the only reason for unpleassant fiscal measures is due to the nasty psychological traits of those responsible for the public finances.
This article smacks of psycho-babble and maybe you ought to look deeply into your own motivations and prejudices.
There are valid and sensible arguments to be made about the interplay of social policies, taxation, public expenditure, fiscal policies, funding, economics and so on. There are also issues regarding class motivation, personal interest and any number of things.
However, this article is not much more than a febrile exercise in an over-active imagination coloured by some form of persecution complex. Of course I'm engaging in that same sort of psycho-bable talk, but at least in this case the evidence is in the text.
There are LOTS of things that the great mass of the British people - spearheaded by a vanguard of the radical Left - can do, to smash the forces of conservatism once and for all.
* Communicate, communicate, communicate. How many shoppers on the high street know which big corporations backed the savage cuts? Their stores can be picketed, leaflets handed out. We should particularly target those run by Philip Green - let people know how much tax he avoided, how many public services he alone could have paid for, and his disgusting role in the cuts.
* Take the fight to the Tories and their LibDem collaborators - lots and lots of Conservative Clubs for instance are dotted around the country. We should make sure that passers-by can't fail to notice that the associated party those buildings help fund, were responsible for savage cuts. I'm sure people have enough imagination to work out some brilliant ways to do this. Recruiting Banksy would be a good start.
* Start alternative communities, communes, workers co-operatives and other replacements for the capitalist economy. A parallel economy - including aspects of money-free and barter trade - outside the reach of the government can form the backbone of our new society once we do take control again.
* Set up an "underground state" to help replace the services government is smashing. This is the method used e.g. by the Kosovars when they were oppressed by the Serbs in the 1990s and had all their public services taken away from them. Parallel education structures like underground schools and universities, parallel systems of dispute resolution, care for the elderly etc. Win hearts and minds by showing our commitment to what the ConDems are ripping apart.
* Political campaigning - not just marches and demonstrations, but using modern media and social networks. Innovative, slightly edgy campaigns. What about a directory of the graves of Tory MPs or PMs so that people can vent their frustrations, in the style that Byron suggested of the arch-Tory Castlereagh (google it if you don't know the poem), video it and publish it online? When Thatcher dies, her grave will never be kept clean.
* Destroy the intellectual and other centres of power that the slash-and-burn movement draws strength from. Entryism and infiltration into conservative students associations is justified to help destroy or neuter them. Make it socially unacceptable to be caught reading or purchasing pro-Tory newspapers in public (I'm thinking of a modern progressive equivalent to the "white feather" campaign used to make it socially unacceptable for working-class men to not fight in WWI - think of it as an overdue proletarian revenge!). We need to also attack the opiates of the people, that are serving to distract them from The Cause. Consumerism, trashy TV, football all play their parts but are open to subversion. Organised religion is another target - we know that humanists and skeptics are much more likely to be pro-Left, and the religious are likely to be pro-Right. Perhaps campaigning outside churches that have an anti-progressive stance e.g. on women's rights and gay rights, and handing out pro-humanist, pro-evolution, pro-rationalist literature? Similarly campaigning against faith schools as socially divisive etc.
There are a big range of options available, and it doesn't have to start with barricades on the street - if that fizzles out without popular support because it is launched too early, then it will hold The Cause back. We need to focus more on strategy, communications, and support-building first. But actually I think that a lot is in our favour this time. Unusually, the slashers have NOT had a honeymoon period with the electorate - Labour support is already at 40% in the polls (and the leftist cause is higher if you include the Scots Nats, Greens and others), which is something that took the Tories many years to achieve when they were out of power. Also, distributed and decentralised media and social networks, give a lot of benefit to asymmetric movements - ones where a lot of individuals can successfully fight against the power of a few big government, business and religious institutions. Moreover, the British public as a whole is becoming more and more progressive - the proportion of humanists, atheists and ethnic minorities is rising, the number of people opposed to human rights, gay rights and feminism is falling, and support for the Tories is only higher than that for Labour in the Over-60s according to the latest YouGov poll - even the 40-59 bracket has a 41%-39% Labour lead, and that lead increases rapidly in the younger generations. Overall the demographics are hugely in our favour and the technology is a big boost too. We can win this if we fight both hard AND smart enough.
Obviously we actually need some suitably subversive, secure forums to start organising and strategising the campaigning from.
In anticipation of the forthcoming good news, can I suggest
@ Left Is Forward
Your link appears to be broken.
Unfortunately www.pissonmaggiesgrave.co.uk doesn't exist yet. Did you like the web address though? That site has just got to happen.
I was just suggesting that we NEED such a site, in order for the radical vanguard to communicate and strategise. If you follow far-right politics from an antifa point of view, you'll have noticed that the English Defence League has used similar e-guerilla tactics to further their aims, very effectively (unfortunately). We need a left-wing, anti-cuts, and stronger version of the EDL.
well mr divine,i can understand why you dont want to march and kick these con/lib dem cutters goverment because you live in bloody australia hunting wild boars in the outback,helen i knew mr divine had mental health issues thats why i tend to go easy on him now and not give him any psychological distress,in fact i feel queit sorry for him.
buckskins,i cant stand these smart leftys or these smart rightys because at the end of the day they are 2 cheeks of the same backside, hence this con.lib cutters goverment we have got made up of both the right and left,i would love to set up my own politacal party up and i think i would make a good prime minister,but there are 2 things against me here,you need lots of money to set up a politacal party which i have non.and my conviction of assualting a police officer at the v festival last year bars me from standing as a politician or holding high office,funny that really when we are run by crooks,but i understand where you are coming from buckskins.
I think 'two things' against you might be a little optimistic...
Laurie Penny is a contributing editor to the New Statesman.