Reddit blocks Gawker in defence of its right to be really, really creepy

Links from Gawker are banned from /r/politics, after journalist threatens to reveal the identity of the man running Reddit's "creepshots", "beatingwomen" and "jailbait" forums.

Links from the Gawker network of sites have been banned from the Reddit US Politics sub-forum, r/politics. The ban was instigated by a moderator after a Gawker.com journalist, Adrian Chen, apparently threatened to expose the real-life identity of redditor violentacrez, the creator of r/jailbait and r/creepshots. These two sub-forums, or "subreddits" were dedicated to, respectively, sexualised pictures of under-18s and sexualised pictures of women – frequently also under-age – taken in public without their knowledge or consent.

Both subreddits have since been deleted. The first went in a cull of similarly paedophilic subreddits in August last year, which also took down r/teen_girls and r/jailbaitgw ("gone wild", as in "girls gone wild"). The second was made private and then deleted due to the fallout from Chen's investigation.

According to leaked chatlogs, Chen was planning to reveal the real name of violentacrez, and approached him – because come on, it's a he – for comment. That sparked panic behind the scenes, and eventually prompted violentacrez to delete his account.

Reddit's attitude to free speech is a complex one. The extreme laissez-fair attitude of reddit's owners and administrators (the site is owned by Condé Nast, which doesn't interfere in the day-to-day management, and similarly the site administrators typically refuse to police any sub-forums) means that replacements for r/creepshots will likely spring up again, albeit more underground. Indeed, r/creepyshots was started then closed within a day. The ability of any redditor to create any subreddit they want, without the site's administration getting involved, is fiercely protected by the community, and that has led to subreddits focused on topics ranging from marijuana use and My-Little-Pony-themed pornography to beating women (also moderated by violentacrez) and, until yesterday, creepshots.

The moderators of the r/politics subreddit apparently consider Chen's attempt to find out more about violentacrez – a practice known as doxxing – to be in violation of this covenant. They write:

As moderators, we feel that this type of behavior is completely intolerable. We volunteer our time on Reddit to make it a better place for the users, and should not be harassed and threatened for that. We should all be afraid of the threat of having our personal information investigated and spread around the internet if someone disagrees with you. Reddit prides itself on having a subreddit for everything, and no matter how much anyone may disapprove of what another user subscribes to, that is never a reason to threaten them. [emphasis original]

It is important to note that the action is taken only by the moderators of r/politics, and not reddit as a whole. Nonetheless, r/politics is an extremely busy subreddit, one of the defaults to which all new redditors are subscribed, and has almost two million subscribed readers, and likely an order of magnitude more who read without subscribing. Of the last 23 gawker.com links posted to reddit, five went to r/politics.

The whole affair has an extra level of irony, because in hoping to post online publicly available information against violentacrez wishes, Chen was doing exactly the same thing which violentacrez and other moderators of r/creepshots claimed was legal and ethical. By requiring that all photos be taken in a public area – and, after a public outcry, banning photos taken in schools or featuring under-18-year-olds – they hoped to stay on the right side of the law. Even then, however, the rules were regularly flouted, with a de facto "don't ask, don't tell" policy about location and age of the subjects of the photos.

Whether or not Chen publishes the violentacrez "outing", a group of anonymous sleuths tried to take the same idea further. A now-deleted tumblr, predditors, linked reddit usernames to real people. One user, for example, had the same username on reddit.com and music site last.fm, and the last.fm profile contained a link to his Facebook page. Cross-referencing comments about his age, university and hometown allowed the connection to be confirmed, and meant that the blog could put a name and a face to comments like "NIGGERS GET THE KNIFE" and submissions like "a gallery of my personal collection of shorts, thongs, and ass".

Jezebel interviewed the woman behind predditors, who argued that:

CreepShots is a gateway drug to more dangerous hobbies. Fetishizing non-consent "indicates [that CreepShots posters] don't view women as people, and most will not be satisfied with just that level of violation," she said. "I want to make sure that the people around these men know what they're doing so they can reap social, professional, or legal consequences, and possibly save women from future sexual assault. These men are dangerous."

Whether or not she's right, the site is certainly incredibly creepy, and it's hard to feel too sorry for men merely getting a taste of their own medicine. But as this debate has spilled over into the more mainstream areas of the site, Reddit risks becoming increasingly associated with defending the rights of its users to post jailbait and creepshots in the minds of the public. 

Update

Tumblr has reinstated the Predditors blog, and tells me that:

This blog was mistakenly suspended under the impression that it was revealing private, rather than publicly-available, information. We are restoring the blog.

The (anonymous) administrator of the blog itself appears to have set a password on it, however, putting a lid on how far it can go.

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Alex Hern is a technology reporter for the Guardian. He was formerly staff writer at the New Statesman. You should follow Alex on Twitter.

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Get in the sea: when is a death threat not a death threat?

Labour MP Thangam Debbonaire has been criticised for overreacting to a popular internet joke. But are memes and menace really mutally exclusive? 

“Get in the sea” is not a death threat. This is an irrefutable fact decided by the court of social media, who have scorned Labour MP Thangam Debbonaire for perceiving those words – tweeted at her by University of Bristol student Verity Phillips – as such.

“This person has just told me to drown – I believe that is a threat to kill,” wrote the MP for Bristol West on Twitter after receiving the message on 15 July. Although the University of Bristol agreed with her, disciplining the student and asking her to write a formal letter of apology, few others did. Why? Because “get in the sea” is a popular online joke: a saying used frequently on twitter to signal disdain.

If only one person wanted Debbonaire to get in the sea two months ago, nearly two thousand people do now. For the crime of not being privy to an inside internet joke, the MP has been branded “a fucking imbecile”, a “stupid bint”, and a “pathetic example of a 50 year old”. While Hilary Clinton is mocked ruthlessly online for being a try-hard meme queen, Debbonaire is insulted for not knowing the one-year-old epigram of an online clique.

The backlash only came last weekend after Bristol Post broke the news that Phillips had been investigated over the tweet. Although vitriolic online commenters claim to hate Debbonaire for wasting police time, the investigation was actually carried out internally by University of Bristol, of their own volition, after the MP brought the tweet to their attention. Debbonaire did nothing but tweet “I expect @BristolUni to deal with this.”

“Even if 'Get in the sea' wasn't a popular saying, there is still nothing in that sentence that suggests she should drown,” wrote one Facebook commenter, echoing the other popular criticism of the MP. Sure, it could be a simple four word invitation to go for a pleasant paddle, but Debbonaire used contextual clues – such as the fact Phillips previously tweeted at her that she was a “traitor” and “#fuckyou” – to discern that this wasn’t the case.

And it is contextual clues that social media users and the police themselves must use to determine whether someone is making a genuine threat or “just joking” every single day. Short of a handy “lol jk”, there was no way for Debbonaire to determine that the tweet, sent on the day of murdered MP Jo Cox’s funeral, was just a joke. Particularly because Debbonaire frequently receives abusive messages online.  

“In the digital world, as in the physical world, all communications must be judged on their own facts and merits," says National Police Chiefs’ Council lead on Digital Intelligence and Investigations, Chief Constable Stephen Kavanagh. 

“We don’t want to criminalise anyone unnecessarily and will always aim to take a proportionate and common sense approach. Developments in technology mean we have to stay agile as a service.”

This isn’t the first time the worlds of memes and death threats have been confusingly intertwined. In October 2015, a mass shooting took place at Umpqua Community College in Oregon. Prior to the attack, the 26-year-old shooter Chris Harper-Mercer is believed to have submitted a thread to the anonymous imageboard website 4chan warning users: “Some of you guys are alright. Don’t go to school tomorrow if you are in the northwest.” Because the internet is the internet, this quickly became a meme following the formula, “Some of you guys are alright. Don’t go to X tomorrow”.

One month later, University of Missouri student Hunter M Park was arrested for making threats on YikYak, an anonymous messaging app, one of which read, “Some of you are alright. Don’t go to campus tomorrow.” Park also messaged: “I’m going to stand my ground tomorrow and shoot every black person I see,” but Mediate has theorised that this could have been a South Park-esque joke about Missouri’s stand-your-ground laws. This is backed up by the fact that officers found no weapons in Park’s home.

Still, no one could logically argue that Park didn’t warrant investigating just because a select group of people could chuckle heartily at his inside joke. "Threats of violence can amount to a criminal offence which the police take very seriously. If a report is made then officers will investigate and, using the evidence, decide whether a threat is credible," says Kavanagh. When it comes to death threats, the police take everything seriously, and those being threatened have the right to do so too.

On the whole, however, the law is iffy about what constitutes a criminal online threat. After the High Court overturned the conviction of Twitter user Paul Chambers (who tweeted: “Crap! Robin Hood airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!”) in 2012, the judge concluded “a message which does not create fear or apprehension in those to whom it is communicated, or who may reasonably be expected to see it, falls outside [the Communications Act 2003] for the simple reason that the message lacks menace”. In practice, this offers little guidance. Phillips’ tweet could be said to lack menace, but Debbonaire was simultaneously able to feel apprehension.

At its root, the Thangam Debbonaire case taps into one of internet users’ greatest fears: that their freedom of speech will be quashed. When it comes to something the online world treasures as their own, such as the "get in the sea" meme, the “us vs. them” mentality is only amplified. Ironically, Twitter users themslves ended up feeling threatened by Debbonaire and her case. Of course, no one wants to live in a world where we can’t tell our MPs to get in the sea, but do we really want to simultaneously disregard their right to feel threatened or afraid? Harambe didn't die for that. 

Amelia Tait is a technology and digital culture writer at the New Statesman.