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The desperation of Julian Assange

Complainants of rape and sexual assault have rights too.

WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange. Photograph: Getty Images
WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange. Photograph: Getty Images

Julian Assange today sought refuge in the London Embassy of Ecuador. It is reported he is seeking political asylum.

Assange is, of course, entitled to assert whatever legal rights he has in resisting extradition to Sweden to answer serious allegations of rape and sexual assault.

But every delay, every evasion, of Assange in answering these allegations is also a further delay in dealing with the allegations.

It appears to me that Assange’s ploy is just another desperate stunt to frustrate and circumvent due process for investigating these allegations.

The allegations of rape and sexual assault against Assange are serious, and they require answering.

There is something which should not be forgotten in all this.

Complainants of rape and sexual assault have rights too.

76 comments

jg46's picture

It is easy to speak about and evaluate a person “outside his shoes”. But I guess there is ample reason to suspect foul play in Sweden from the way things have been going and from the Swedish denial to interrogate Assange in the UK. Besides, Assange has never admitted committing any crime in Sweden or elsewhere. He just published existing documents he was given. Has the world lost all sense of decency… I think Ecuador is doing the whole world a favor in speaking out for human rights. More admirable, since it will only bring the country huge headaches!

And as MCMA previously said it wouldn’t be the first trial to be politically manipulated. For example UK granted non extradition to Spain for dictator Pinochet, who was well known to have committed the crimes he was accused of. Besides the US have granted non extradition to former CIA member Posada Carriles, well-known terrorist who admitted to having master minded the explosion of a civilian plane in the air in which 73 passengers died, among them the Cuban fencing team: adolescents and young adults. He also recognized having participated I the bombing of several hotels, where a tourist died. And said the tourist was simply at the “wrong place, at the wrong time.” Meanwhile five men, who simply wanted to spare lives of their countrymen put at risk by these same terrorists and infiltrated their organizations in Miami, are now in jail, accused of terrorism serving several life sentences each!!! Not to talk of past history like McCarthyism, or Japanese concentration camps in US during WWII. In any of these cases were the victims granted due process? Due process in the US is only what serves their interests of the day…

And yes, I’m sure extradition would follow trial in Sweden, sooo many people can’t be wrong.

¡Viva Ecuador! ¡Estamos con Correa! ¡La UNASUR y CELAC deben apoyar también, puesto que de seguro, la OEA no lo hará! ¡Vivimos un cambio de época!
Translation: We support Correa! UNASUR* and CELAC* should also give support, since, no doubt, OAS** will not! We are living a change of age!

* Two regional Latin American organizations by their Spanish acronyms, which don’t include the US or Canada, they are definitely not Latin America.
** The regional Organization of American States that includes Canada and the US, formerly best known as the organization of American colonies.

jg46's picture

It is easy to speak about and evaluate a person “outside his shoes”. But I guess there is ample reason to suspect foul play in Sweden from the way things have been going and from the Swedish denial to interrogate Assange in the UK. Besides, Assange has never admitted committing any crime in Sweden or elsewhere. He just published existing documents he was given. Has the world lost all sense of decency… I think Ecuador is doing the whole world a favor in speaking out for human rights. More admirable, since it will only bring the country huge headaches!

And as MCMA previously said it wouldn’t be the first trial to be politically manipulated. For example UK granted non extradition to Spain for dictator Pinochet, who was well known to have committed the crimes he was accused of. Besides the US have granted non extradition to former CIA member Posada Carriles, well-known terrorist who admitted to having master minded the explosion of a civilian plane in the air in which 73 passengers died, among them the Cuban fencing team: adolescents and young adults. He also recognized having participated I the bombing of several hotels, where a tourist died. And said the tourist was simply at the “wrong place, at the wrong time.” Meanwhile five men, who simply wanted to spare lives of their countrymen put at risk by these same terrorists and infiltrated their organizations in Miami, are now in jail, accused of terrorism serving several life sentences each!!! Not to talk of past history like McCarthyism, or Japanese concentration camps in US during WWII. In any of these cases were the victims granted due process? Due process in the US is only what serves their interests of the day…

And yes, I’m sure extradition would follow trial in Sweden, sooo many people can’t be wrong.

¡Viva Ecuador! ¡Estamos con Correa! ¡La UNASUR y CELAC deben apoyar también, puesto que de seguro, la OEA no lo hará! ¡Vivimos un cambio de época!
Translation: We support Correa! UNASUR* and CELAC* should also give support, since, no doubt, OAS** will not! We are living a change of age!

* Two regional Latin American organizations by their Spanish acronyms, which don’t include the US or Canada, they are definitely not Latin America.
** The regional Organization of American States that includes Canada and the US, formerly best known as the organization of American colonies.

jg46's picture

It is easy to speak about and evaluate a person “outside his shoes”. But I guess there is ample reason to suspect foul play in Sweden from the way things have been going and from the Swedish denial to interrogate Assange in the UK. Besides, Assange has never admitted committing any crime in Sweden or elsewhere. He just published existing documents he was given. Has the world lost all sense of decency… I think Ecuador is doing the whole world a favor in speaking out for human rights. More admirable, since it will only bring the country huge headaches!

And as MCMA previously said it wouldn’t be the first trial to be politically manipulated. For example UK granted non extradition to Spain for dictator Pinochet, who was well known to have committed the crimes he was accused of. Besides the US have granted non extradition to former CIA member Posada Carriles, well-known terrorist who admitted to having master minded the explosion of a civilian plane in the air in which 73 passengers died, among them the Cuban fencing team: adolescents and young adults. He also recognized having participated I the bombing of several hotels, where a tourist died. And said the tourist was simply at the “wrong place, at the wrong time.” Meanwhile five men, who simply wanted to spare lives of their countrymen put at risk by these same terrorists and infiltrated their organizations in Miami, are now in jail, accused of terrorism serving several life sentences each!!! Not to talk of past history like McCarthyism, or Japanese concentration camps in US during WWII. In any of these cases were the victims granted due process? Due process in the US is only what serves their interests of the day…

And yes, I’m sure extradition would follow trial in Sweden, sooo many people can’t be wrong.

¡Viva Ecuador! ¡Estamos con Correa! ¡La UNASUR y CELAC deben apoyar también, puesto que de seguro, la OEA no lo hará! ¡Vivimos un cambio de época!
Translation: We support Correa! UNASUR* and CELAC* should also give support, since, no doubt, OAS** will not! We are living a change of age!

* Two regional Latin American organizations by their Spanish acronyms, which don’t include the US or Canada, they are definitely not Latin America.
** The regional Organization of American States that includes Canada and the US, best known as the organization of American colonies.

Neal-12's picture

At least in Ecuador a socialist can use women in whatever way they want. Unlike Swedish women these latin lovers brook no argument, bitches are put there to give men fever.
We are most amused at these turd worlders like the Embassy staff talking justice and looking at our WC's with flecks of excrements marking the shiny white porcelian while their own countries is a sewer of bobbing turds. Andros you ar e quite right man child because the Yanks invaded Cusco and Iraq, Asstrange should be able to come anywhere he wants to.

Neal-12's picture

At least in Ecuador a socialist can use women in whatever way they want. Unlike Swedish women these latin lovers brook no argument, bitches are put there to give men fever.
We are most amused at these turd worlders like the Embassy staff talking justice and looking at our WC's with flecks of excrements marking the shiny white porcelian while their own countries is a sewer of bobbing turds. Andros you ar e quite right man child because the Yanks invaded Cusco and Iraq, Asstrange should be able to come anywhere he wants to.

Neal-12's picture

At least in Ecuador a socialist can use women in whatever way they want. Unlike Swedish women these latin lovers brook no argument, bitches are put there to give men fever.
We are most amused at these turd worlders like the Embassy staff talking justice and looking at our WC's with flecks of excrements marking the shiny white porcelian while their own countries is a sewer of bobbing turds. Andros you ar e quite right man child because the Yanks invaded Cusco and Iraq, Asstrange should be able to come anywhere he wants to.

Neal-12's picture

At least in Ecuador a socialist can use women in whatever way they want. Unlike Swedish women these latin lovers brook no argument, bitches are put there to give men fever.
We are most amused at these turd worlders like the Embassy staff talking justice and looking at our WC's with flecks of excrements marking the shiny white porcelian while their own countries is a sewer of bobbing turds. Andros you ar e quite right man child because the Yanks invaded Cusco and Iraq, Asstrange should be able to come anywhere he wants to.

Neal-12's picture

At least in Ecuador a socialist can use women in whatever way they want. Unlike Swedish women these latin lovers brook no argument, bitches are put there to give men fever.
We are most amused at these turd worlders like the Embassy staff talking justice and looking at our WC's with flecks of excrements marking the shiny white porcelian while their own countries is a sewer of bobbing turds. Andros you ar e quite right man child because the Yanks invaded Cusco and Iraq, Asstrange should be able to come anywhere he wants to.

Neal-12's picture

At least in Ecuador a socialist can use women in whatever way they want. Unlike Swedish women these latin lovers brook no argument, bitches are put there to give men fever.
We are most amused at these turd worlders like the Embassy staff talking justice and looking at our WC's with flecks of excrements marking the shiny white porcelian while their own countries is a sewer of bobbing turds. Andros you ar e quite right man child because the Yanks invaded Cusco and Iraq, Asstrange should be able to come anywhere he wants to.

thomas vesely's picture

the very many who see him as a rapist and espouse the rights of victims
never answer the point that the alleged victims sent each other congratulary/boasts SMSs. after bedding the rock star.
i have also concluded that many of the men that demonise him are just not getting any............

MediaH8ter/Truthseeker's picture

To David:

This story is horse shit. It's remarkable that Assange got brought up on "rape" charges shortly after releasing the single largest cache of confidential government documents from multiple world nations. If it's not clear that these allegations were probably purely out of political motivation, then you're missing the point. I hope you don't call yourself a journalist in this vein.

I've heard multiple people call Assange a "traitor". That's f-ing moronic. This man and his organization's actions have been as in the spirit of the core of liberal democracy as anything we've seen from U.S. or European policy since the World War 2. His actions represent a conscious we are too quick to ignore/feign ignorance to, because we just don't want to admit that, in fact, the rest of the world has suffered so that we can have a few more conveniences.

And you dare try to smear him by saying, "hey, by the way, remember, in case you forget, that it's seriously possible that he raped someone. I have no proof but he was alleged. Plus he looks really creepy and talks with a low voice." - Yes the spitting image of a rapist.

If you want to call yourself a journalist, David, get your shit straight and adhere to what make journalism integral to a free society and journalists full of integrity: telling and holding fast to the truth.

So tired of idiocy, just as angry at Huffington Post for giving this guy a chance to speak. But hey at least is spurning a discussion.

MediaH8ter/Truthseeker's picture

To David:

This story is horse shit. It's remarkable that Assange got brought up on "rape" charges shortly after releasing the single largest cache of confidential government documents from multiple world nations. If it's not clear that these allegations were probably purely out of political motivation, then you're missing the point. I hope you don't call yourself a journalist in this vein.

I've heard multiple people call Assange a "traitor". That's f-ing moronic. This man and his organization's actions have been as in the spirit of the core of liberal democracy as anything we've seen from U.S. or European policy since the World War 2. His actions represent a conscious we are too quick to ignore/feign ignorance to, because we just don't want to admit that, in fact, the rest of the world has suffered so that we can have a few more conveniences.

And you dare try to smear him by saying, "hey, by the way, remember, in case you forget, that it's seriously possible that he raped someone. I have no proof but he was alleged. Plus he looks really creepy and talks with a low voice." - Yes the spitting image of a rapist.

If you want to call yourself a journalist, David, get your shit straight and adhere to what make journalism integral to a free society and journalists full of integrity: telling and holding fast to the truth.

So tired of idiocy, just as angry at Huffington Post for giving this guy a chance to speak. But hey at least is spurning a discussion.

MediaH8ter/Truthseeker's picture

To David:

This story is horse shit. It's remarkable that Assange got brought up on "rape" charges shortly after releasing the single largest cache of confidential government documents from multiple world nations. If it's not clear that these allegations were probably purely out of political motivation, then you're missing the point. I hope you don't call yourself a journalist in this vein.

I've heard multiple people call Assange a "traitor". That's f-ing moronic. This man and his organization's actions have been as in the spirit of the core of liberal democracy as anything we've seen from U.S. or European policy since the World War 2. His actions represent a conscious we are too quick to ignore/feign ignorance to, because we just don't want to admit that, in fact, the rest of the world has suffered so that we can have a few more conveniences.

And you dare try to smear him by saying, "hey, by the way, remember, in case you forget, that it's seriously possible that he raped someone. I have no proof but he was alleged. Plus he looks really creepy and talks with a low voice." - Yes the spitting image of a rapist.

If you want to call yourself a journalist, David, get your shit straight and adhere to what make journalism integral to a free society and journalists full of integrity: telling and holding fast to the truth.

So tired of idiocy, just as angry at Huffington Post for giving this guy a chance to speak. But hey at least is spurning a discussion.

RFM's picture

David, I do thoroughly enjoy reading your views on the Assange affair as I think that it is important to bear in mind the perspective of the Swedish authorities investigating the charges of rape and sexual assault laid by the two women in Sweden, and I think that sometimes it is easy to forget their perspective against the backdrop of the saga between the US government and Assange. Against that backdrop, I would like to know whether you have any opinion or information about claims by Assange's mother as reported on the BBC website that the USA has threatened to withdraw billions of dollars in aid to Ecuador should they grant Assange asylum. If those allegations by Assange's mother are true, wouldn't that provide greater support to Assange's reluctance to go to Sweden even if it is to answer the Swedish authorities' questions? What would you suggest as an appropriate response from Assange if the USA has indeed threatened Ecuador with punitive actions in the event of their granting Assange asylum? And is this not also a case of two women potentially being denied justice because of the vindictiveness of the Obama administration?

thomas vesely's picture

very much in the spirit of the "donation" firewall.
pressure brought to bear.
pressure effective.
lobbyists get a bonus.........
the whole thing is plainly visible and the complicit
free press dances on pinheads.
i think he may have got a better reception at the cuban embassy ?

mbrecker's picture

While everyone deserves a fair trial, this also includes people who file charges of alleged rape. Think for a moment of the millions of posts and thousands of articles and hours on-air in talking about this case. What do you see/hear/read?

Assange the "Mystery Man".
Assange the hacker.
Assange the "Babe Magnet" who's "allegedly" slept with most of his women assistants and has 4 kids all over the world.
Assange the poor guy who's being screwed over by the NYT, Guardian and almost any other media outlet he was foolish enough to listen to and deal with.
Has anyone seen the Assange play in Sydney?
Is Brad Pitt still going to play Assange in Spielberg's new Wikileaks film?

Maybe 1% of the comments about this case have actually talked about rape survivors who try to speak out and press charges. If you're an actual human being with a pulse and emotions, consider that for a second.

Nobody wants to admit it. But there are both women and men rape survivors. Just saying that the women in Assange's case are CIA or obviously using him for money, fame and more only adds to the reluctance of other survivors to speak out. But, in this 24/7 global celebrity news cycle, that's not hot, sexy or trending on Twitter. Therefore, who cares?

HelenG's picture

*applauds*

Eddie-G's picture

Assange fears extradition from Sweden to the USA. That is the story here.

But about the Swedish case. Assuming these sexual assault allegations are as serious as they sound, have Swedish prosecutors explored any other avenue, aside from extraditing Assange, for moving their investigation forward? What is to stop them from, say, coming to the UK to question him?

To the extent you want to make this an issue around rights for victims of sexaul assault, I think you at least owe it to yourself to ask whether the Swedish authorities are using this investigation as cover for ulterior motives, and whether they are then in fact more culpable than Assange for the delays. The story then would be that Swedish prosecutors are primarily responsible for failing to get answers for the alleged victims.

radas's picture

It has actually been stated that the Swedish authorities CAN question Assange in the UK, however, THEY are refusing to. Why aren't they being put in the spotlight about this?
At this stage, it is only questioning that is required, however, under Swedish law, Assange can be detained for quite some time - just for questioning.
So I think you are correct in saying if they are serious about obtaining poutcome for the alleged victims, then they would have explored this avenue already.

HelenG's picture

Out of curiosity, why do you think Assange merits special treatment like that?

thomas vesely's picture

and he seeks transparency on OUR behalf.

thomas vesely's picture

because it is standard operating procedure.
except for mr. Assange.

Martin B's picture

At last, a little common sense! You're right - there is no reason why Swedish prosecutors could not have met with Assange in the UK and as it stands they have not even charged him with a crime.

Given Sweden's extraordinary subservience to the US in recent years it would be foolish to do anything else but fight extradition using every possible means.

Will Podmore's picture

Quite right!
Assange is in peril. See how the USA is treating Bradley Manning.
Viva Ecuador.

kieran dunne's picture

As highlighted in a post above it would be incredibly difficult to extradite Assange from Sweden to the US.
This latest stunt is yet another appauling decision by Assange.
Just like Wikileaks lost all remaining credibility when they hacked into Startfor's system to steel private emails, what remained of Assange's reputation has now deminished.
This extradition ploy is nothing more than a sideshow aiming to take from the serious allegations in which he now must face.
I started out as a supporter of the Wikileaks movement but I no longer trust their motives.
I no longer trust Assange.

Martin B's picture

@Kieran Dunne

"highlighted in a post above"? Am I missing something.

You seem confused on at least a couple of points. As noted above it was Anonymous who hacked Startfor's emails, not Wikileaks (what a bizarre thing to get confused about - I'm not even sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

Secondly it is extremely likely that Sweden would extradite Assange to the US:
1. Fewer safeguards than even the UK's extradition treaty with the US.
2. Sweden is a small, weak nation with recent history of illegally aquiecsing to such requests.

Catalina Arizona's picture

Sorry, but WikiLeaks does not do any hacking. They're a publisher of documents relayed to them via their secure submission system. They have no knowledge of the identity of the submitter unless that submitter includes his or her identity with the documents somehow.

WikiLeaks does not do anything illegal, except where publishing secret documents is illegal. Publishing secret documents is not illegal in the US. Leaking them in the first place is.

Catalina Arizona's picture

Sorry, but WikiLeaks does do any hacking. They're a publisher of documents relayed to them via their secure submission system. They have no knowledge of the identity of the submitter unless that submitter includes his or her identity with the documents somehow.

WikiLeaks does not do anything illegal, except where publishing secret documents is illegal. Publishing secret documents is not illegal in the US. Leaking them in the first place is.

Hikaru22's picture

Your argument rather rests on the assumption that the Swedish sex charges are not the "spring-trap" set up to facilitate Assange's extradition to the United States - from whose draconian justice system and primitive penal system we all of us (thanks to the UK/US Extradition Treaty) have much to fear.

Robin Levett's picture

@Hiakru22:

Why bother extraditing him to Sweden? If that happens, (i) Sweden can only extradite him elsewhere with the UK's say-so, (ii) we have a much more accommodating extradition treaty with the US, and (iii) the US might find difficulties finding a crime to charge him with in the States that is also a crime in Sweden (dual criminality being a pre-requisite to extradition).

Hikaru22's picture

@Robin Levett:

I think that your points (i) and (ii) can be answered in the following way:

Given the controversy surrounding the UK/US Extradition Treaty, it might be thought too 'politically sensitive' for the British government to execute a direct UK/US extradition in the case of Assange. Much easier to have him first extradited to Sweden, then charged and found guilty of 'sex offences', and then - with his reputation safely besmirched - tip the nod to the Swedes for Assange to be further extradited from Sweden to the US. Job done.

As for the US finding a crime to charge him with - if they can imprison Bradley Manning (naked and in chains) then they can certainly find a way to do something similar to Assange.

Their recent history shows that the Americans have few scruples or principles when it comes to locking people up (and worse) without trial. Think Guantanamo Bay.

Robin Levett's picture

@Hikaru22:

"Given the controversy surrounding the UK/US Extradition Treaty, it might be thought too 'politically sensitive' for the British government to execute a direct UK/US extradition in the case of Assange. Much easier to have him first extradited to Sweden, then charged and found guilty of 'sex offences', and then - with his reputation safely besmirched - tip the nod to the Swedes for Assange to be further extradited from Sweden to the US. Job done."

Whereas no-one is noticing that he is being arrested under an EAW, and this is flying completely under the media radar?

You still have the problem that having got him to Sweden via an EAW, the UK government still has to approve his onward extradition to the USA.

"As for the US finding a crime to charge him with - if they can imprison Bradley Manning (naked and in chains) then they can certainly find a way to do something similar to Assange. "

You miss the point; any crime they find has to be a crime under Swedish law as well. The Swedes have pretty good whistleblowing and journalistic source protection. It would be easier to establish double criminality with the UK than Sweden.

Martin B's picture

No I'm not sure Hikaru22 does miss the point...

It is far from clear that the UK would have to consent if Assange is extradited using the temporary surrender clause which forms part of Sweden's treaty but not the UK's (for this Assange would merely need to be in the process of being prosecuted, not even convicted!)

Also, Sweden could simply ignore the law as they have in the recent past so perhaps we are all missing the point by focussing on the legal intricacies of extradition.

Look, if we are all agreed that this is about whether or not the US and Sweden are trying to abuse the extradition process to circumvent British safeguards and extradite Assange to the US to face completely unrelated, politically motivated charges then the solution is clear - the Swedish or US governments need only undertake not to do this. The fact that they have been asked for this guarantee, and refused, speaks more clearly than anything about what their true intention is. Only a fool could fail to recognise this.

Robin Levett's picture

@Martin B:

"using the temporary surrender clause which forms part of Sweden's treaty but not the UK's"

I fear you have been misinformed.

Article VI of the Swedish treaty:

"If the extradition request is granted in the case of a person who is being prosecuted or is serving
a sentence in the territory of the requested State for a different offense, the requested State may:
(a) defer the surrender of the person sought...; or

(b) temporarily surrender the person sought to the requesting State for the purpose of prosecution. The person so surrendered shall be kept in custody while in the requesting State and shall be returned to the requested State after the conclusion of the proceedings against that
person in accordance with conditions to be determined by mutual agreement [*7] of the Contracting States."

Article 14 of the UK Treaty:

"1. If the extradition request is granted for a person who is being proceeded against or is serving a sentence in the Requested State, the Requested State may temporarily surrender the person sought to the Requesting State for the purpose of prosecution. If the Requested State requests, the Requesting State shall keep the person so surrendered in custody and shall return that person to the Requested State after the conclusion of the proceedings against that person, in accordance with conditions to be determined by mutual agreement of the States."

If you can get a fag-paper between those provisions then you're Gunga Din.

In neither case are the extradition requirements relaxed.

"Look, if we are all agreed that this is about whether or not the US and Sweden are trying to abuse the extradition process to circumvent British safeguards and extradite Assange to the US to face completely unrelated, politically motivated charges then the solution is clear - the Swedish or US governments need only undertake not to do this."

No, we aren't all so agreed; because the point is that surrendering him to Sweden under an EAW introduces extra safeguards, it doesn't detract from those he already has.

And if "we are all missing the point by focussing on the legal intricacies of extradition"; who is more likely to surrender Assange to the US illegally? I don't agree that there is a great likelihood of either Government doing so; but I really don't think that the UK is in much of a position to preach to Sweden on the subject.

Silican's picture

As Assange is not being prosecuted or proceeded against, neither of these Articles apply. The extradition is, supposedly, for the purpose of questioning Assange in Sweden. Even the anti-Assange Guardian's legal expert concedes that once the Swedish case is completed, which could take a matter of days if no decision to prosecute follows questioning, the Swedes can do with him what they will.

Robin Levett's picture

@silican:

"As Assange is not being prosecuted or proceeded against, neither of these Articles apply. "

I'd say he is being proceeded against - or at least will be when he gets to Sweden; but it is the Assange conspiracy theorists that think that there's a difference prejudicing Assange between the UK and Swedish extradition treaties on this issue, so it's for them to argue that the Swedish Article applies.

McMac's picture

Mmmm.

I'm not sure playing this story with a straight bat, not mentioning any of the surrounding issues, is the right way to go about this. It's as if you've never heard of legal processes being subverted for political ends?

He's a man wanted by a country that will use any means, legal, illegal, underhand to get him.

Who knows what the truth of the rape allegations are. All we do know as that there are very good reasons for him to be afraid even if he's innocent, and we're swimming in murky waters.

TonyKennick's picture

"Who knows what the truth of the rape allegations are"
I believe that is what the Swedish Prosecution Authority is attempting to ascertain…

Castorop's picture

Oh really?

Then why don't they question him in the UK?

Either that, or charge him with a crime. Which they have not done until now.

Robin Levett's picture

@castorop:

"Then why don't they question him in the UK?"

Why should they, when there's a perfectly good arrest procedure available allowing him to be returned to Sweden to be questioned.

Given that he is a clear flight risk, they are perfectly entitled to insist that he return to their jurisdiction for questioning.

Again, though; what is it about Assange that entitles him to drag the Swedish police across Europe to speak to him? Joe Bloggs doesn't get that kind of consideration.

"Either that, or charge him with a crime. Which they have not done until now."

Because, of course, for the defendant's protection Swedish law requires that he be interviewed and the case be put to him formally before proceeding to Court. There is no formal charge procedure in Sweden directly analogous to our own.

Ciaran Goggins's picture

Much of what is termed rape is in fact buyers remorse. Look at R v Blackwell and R v Donnellan, there must be no hiding place for false and malicious allegations. Examine the Ched Evans case - why is there no anonymity for the accused in rape trials?

onna8's picture

Oh come on. That is pretty off topic and cheap. The issue here is the need for extradition not denial that there may be a charge. There is no reason why a man as yet uncharged with an offence could not be questioned by the Swedish authorities here. Clearly the Swedish and British authorities are happy to waste taxpayers money and therefore we have to assume are, in fact, engaged in the more serious actions that Assange quite rightly fears. I would like him to face the rape allegations but I don't think he should be extradited if this increases the risk of his being taken to the US. I don't trust the US legal system - not since Guantanimo and Bernard Manning. They just want to win - very like the Israeli's wanted to win against Vanunu.

Matron's picture

Regardless of your truly offensive phrasing, the fact remains that the correct place to establish whether or not a particular activity constitutes rape is a court of law, not a court of public opinion.

Ciaran Goggins's picture

Is your real name "Matron"? How brave. Have you been involved in cases of false rape accusations? Thought not. As to courts of law in England, ever heard of Cardiff Three, Guildford Four, Colin Stagg, Barry George?

Jebediah Beane's picture

Ched Evans is a convited rapist. He deserves no anonymity. Assange is accused of penetrating someone as she slept - that is clearly (if proven) rape. I find your comment deeply disturbing

Ciaran Goggins's picture

Evans is appealing and if his conviction is overturned (I spoke with his family about this) then he will get a massive compensation bill. ALL parties in rape cases deserve anonymity BEFORE the verdict, something which Ched and Julian Assange were not accorded. One of Assange's accusers has CIA links, the other only came forward when she discovered he had "cheated". You obviously have no legal background "Jebediah".

Robin Levett's picture

@Ciaran Goggins:

"One of Assange's accusers has CIA links"

Is that so? Care to be a little more forthcoming on this? Apply to the evidence for these claims, which is presumbly the *rap produced by Shamir and Bennett, the same scepticism you apply to the evidence against Assange.

onna8's picture

There have been worries about the CIA links since 2010. In particular links to an anti-Castro group with CIA connections. It seems quite possible that at least one of the accusers is a CIA agent - after all Vanunu got caught in a honey trap.

Robin Levett's picture

@ONNA8:

"There have been worries about the CIA links since 2010. In particular links to an anti-Castro group with CIA connections."

Indeed there have; would you like to make explicit those "links"? And those "CIA connections"?

Specifically, as I understand it, she wrote anti-Castro articles. The publication for which she wrote articles was owned by a group; that group was "associated with" another group one of whose members someone guessed might have some links with the CIA because they knew something about him that the CIA might have known. That's the level of "link" and "connection" Shamir and Bennett were talking about - see:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/09/14/assange-beseiged/

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Ched Evans is a convited rapist. He deserves no anonymity. Assange is accused of penetrating someone as she slept - that is clearly (if proven) rape. I find your comment deeply disturbing

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