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Even though I liked it, I have to admit it was a flop. But why did it fail?
Tags: comedy television
I thought it was interesting and funny- it explained the news a hell lot better than news bulletins themselves!
Too many politicans though, yes. And Lauren just seems to be there to "babysit" the boys. Her wee pieces are good, but she need to be on screen more. Jimmy Carr dressing up was brilliant and "Listen to Mitchell" was hilarious!
I thought it was quite puerile. The interviews were woeful but there were a few funny moments. I know and like Mitchell and Carr from other work. Now I know they are champagne socialist lefty arseholes.
This show was welcome in one sense. It promised (if not delivered) a satirical look at those in charge.
Why has it taken so long for tv satire to make a return?
Iraq war? David Kelly? Cash for questions/access? Supercasinos? Mega-tuition fees? State funded fundamentalist schools? Dumbed down education? PFI scam, Mega Sleaze, and the worst chancellor/prime minister the country's ever had, leaving a debt which grows by 160 billion a year and costs more to service than health and education combined....
...yet no need for the telly to have a satirical show since 1997, apparently.
('###Things can only get better##...' ad nauseam)
I want tv satire - whatever the government -, but it will be a lot more funny if it's based on intelligent observation rather than lazy partisan name calling which is only of interest to a core rump of stupid tribalists.
the pre-launch trailers promised biting satire. there wasn't any. satire needs to be unbiased. the 10 o'clock show thought they could get away with being ben elton in the 1980's only that was 30 years ago and lefty ben is now a millionaire. plus ben entered the stage some 6 years into a right wing govt, not 9 months into a coalition. if i want political satire i want to see all sides being treated with disdain not just bankers and cliched "evil" tories. as somebody said above it was like 1997-2010 never happened.
It's a classic slow burner, and it fills a slot in the spectrum of telly. Wait for the next series. I liked it, but Carr did go a bit over the top towards the end of the series with his panto-like mono-sketches.
I thought there hadn't been much chatter about a second season because the first has only just ended? I hope it deos come back, it actually got pretty watchable, so long as you skipped the Jimmy Carr dress up bits.
I liked that it was live. It ensured that it was still relevant when it was broadcast. Have I Got News For You is prerecorded and it can often feel like it's lacking relevance to any events which unfold during the day. Being live 10 O'Clock Live could at least make brief reference to the day's events.
It's main failure for me was in the choice of guests. It would have been good to see less politicians - there's enough of those lieing at us through our TVs. It would have been to have had more time given to alternative views. Accademics telling us how politicians are lieing at us, giving us the knowledge to counter the lies etc. The times when that was done definitely made the best episodes.
Also, I didn't really see the need for Jimmy Carr's dress up sections, although his other sections were a highlight. Would definitely like to see it return.
I found the best strategy was to Sky+ it then fast forward through everything but Brooker and Mitchell.
Culling Carr and Laverne, abandoning live broadcast and avoiding the QT clash would be a start toward a viable second series.
It proved that satire is not yet dead, but needs a better time slot.
They were a great team, with special mention to Lauren Laverne for keeping the men in order. Hope it comes back.
May I say, when threre is a seriouzly big low coming from the atlantic, storm like 960mb or less, Stackpole Head is where to watch it. Incredible site- waves bouncing hundreds of feet in the air. But don't forget your waterprroofs. rain comes in sideways.
I thought it was a great show overall and would probably do a lot better next time out if they don't schedule it against Question Time. That was a crazy decision. So why not (e.g.) Tuesday instead of Thursday?
10 o'clock Live was really the Mitchell and Brooker show. Carr was all right; Laverne was terrible. Early reviews complained that she didn't have enough to do at first; we later found out why that was.
You're seriously asking why it was live? I guess you missed the truly bizarre moment when the news about the UN resolution on Libya was announced on a C4 comedy show.
I don't think I ever watched a whole episode, but for me it didn't offer any insight or anything. I saw an interview with Nigel Farage and I learnt nothing new and all that really happened was David Mitchell trying to take the p*ss out of him a bit.
If you already watched Question Time, Daily Politics, This Week then you would have got nothing out of this show.
I started to switch off because the guests they had on were the usual arseholes that the news media would wheel out.
Getting two economic right wing journalists to hound someone with no actual economic knowledge and some woman from a pressure group was hardly a good thing.
If your going do that at least get someone who can argue back. You have that at least on newsnight. I won't miss it everything Brooker has done on Channel 4 pales into the wash compared to his BBC 2 stuff.
But yes running it against QT and Newsnight is very stupid.
'A Tory-led government to boo at.'
This lead to it's demise. Every episode was full of predictable cliches, ala, boo hoo bad nasty tories, partisan audiences wooping manically at banker bashing (every 30 seconds, it seemed)- all very boring.
I assume most viewers tired of this - favouring some actual insight / proper discussion, over 'laurie pennyesque' shouty misinformation.
Also, another thing that griped me was that it was so left wing. It was obviously aimed at hardcore labourites, so being a liberal it was quite annoying.
Brooker is the only only one with genuine talent, especially for that kind of show.
I watched this show (thanks to downloading) from a different perspective than most - I live in Oz and had only had a brief introduction to Jimmy Carr and David Mitchell thanks to Carr's appearances on Top Gear and Mitchell's Peep Show. I had never heard of Charlie Broker or Lauren Laverne so I came to the show without baggage and no exposure to the hype and advertising. While some of the political references went over my head - I did live for a year in London but that was over ten years ago - I have to say that I absolutely loved 10 O'Clock Live.
There were several laugh-out-loud moments in each episode, and the show got better week after week as the format and hosts settled in. Yes there were some misses - but live television is like that. I'd take live TV with a few autocue fluffs and the odd misfiring sketch over the sanatised, bland and safe pre-record any day.
Mitchell's an extremely clever performer, Carr's 'naughty-boy' routine I thought was a treat and Laverne more than held her own - her filmed sequences were (mostly) excellent. Charlie Brooker's rants were amazing - his attack on Justin Bieber fan's cyber-bullying of teen Rebecca Black was one of the funniest things I'd seen on TV in a long time.
Sometimes I wonder if all the Twitter and forum critics actually watch the show they're writing about.
Fingers crossed it get another series.
Just didnt think it was bitter and/or angry enough. Brooker on his own - in How TV Ruined Your Life for example - frequently touches on a kind of despairing genius. TenOcLive had too much of a taint of nudge-nudge knowingness to permit the genuine, out-of-control yet feverishly hilarious grinding of axes in public. More axe-grinding please, less jokey cosiness.
quote - "It was obviously aimed at hardcore labourites, so being a liberal it was quite annoying."
And me, being a libdem, found it occasionally funny and relevant. Chuh! - how about that, eh?
Lauren Laverne sucks. She is NOT a comedienne.
Jo Brand would have been better, even....
I'm not a Lib Dem. The Lib Dems are a social democratic party mainly...
I thought it was great. See, I am a factory worker and every time 10 o'Clock Live was on I was feeling over the moon that someone else, like me, could kick the **ck out of this corrupt system. Was it leftist? Certainly Ed can not agree with that. Jimmy in his cross dressing was making me laugh like a drain with his audacity and disregard for taboos. I love it!
After reading all these comments about the show, I must say you lot really do moan about them being "lefties"....
If you had bothered to watch the entire series you would of know that David Mitchell - who did a lot of the ConLib government bashing - actually admitted to voting Lib Dem in the last elecetion.......
10 O'clock live kicks the living crap out of the daily show. The daily show is occasionally brilliant but largely miss-able. The fact that it is short and on "daily" makes it disposable and so people are kinder to the rubbish bits perhaps and just remember the good. But there is more filler than killer. 10 O'clock live on the other hand was largely very very good. If you wanted it to be stellar you need stronger stuff to work on. The Daily show was best during the presidential election. Not many laughs to be found conversely in Earthquakes leading to nuclear disasters and civil war in north Africa.
Question Time is probably the biggest enemy. I can't watch it. Why do people want to watch an argument driven by such annoying people who can't hear you screaming abuse at them?
Another possible reason as to why the show failed was the Mitchell and Brooker fanbase realised their 'bits' on the show was a repetition of their Guardian columns, so like myself they switched over to QT and read the paper over the weekend.
Brooker is funny, but it was felt that the show was too left wing.
I also agree that Laverne was rubbish. Much as I like her. Having said that I don't think the other 3 would be very good anchors.
I didn't spot any anti-liberal bias?
Reduce it to a half hour show, replace laverne with someone funny from the right. drop the dress up bits. Put it on just before Question Time... Would that fix it?
I liked the show, but scheduling it against Question Time was insane, and I do think Lauren Laverne was only there as the token female and she seemed extremely out of her depth.
Probably should point out that my "farewell" only refers to the end of the series. Haven't heard back yet from C4 on whether it will be recommissioned - will update the post if/when I do.
It was doomed from the start.
a) It simply wasn't funny. Badly-disguised propaganda invariably makes people feel uneasy, rather than amused. And rude words on their own don't actually make people laugh either. C4 still hasn't learned this.
b) It trivialised every issue it tackled in a way that insulted viewers' intelligence. It exposed its presenters in this regard as the true lightweights they are. No wonder they were glad when Newsnight came on.
c) It made genuinely talented and popular presenters like David Mitchell appear to be nothing more than shills for the left (this they might be, but it's not what viewers want to see so blatantly from their comics, and, even if they did, it's better that they actually opine personally rather than read a hopelessly-forced script at break-neck speed)
Crass scheduling + underestimation of audience + garbage content + inability to resist over-politicisation = deserved failure.
Laverne is so cute! Can't get enough. But not very good.
It's a "series", not a "season".
Just because America says something, you don't have to say it too.
You do know Endemol has $3bn net debt right? And was relatively recently on the wrong side of its credit limits?
It must be hard to google.
It was embarrassingly awful. I can remember the days of 'That was the week that was' in the 1960s- it had good weeks and bad weeks, but was never embarrassing. And can't someone tell Charlie 'Mr Angry' Brooker that the act is wearing very thin?
It's essential problem was that it, er - wasn't funny. It felt like comedy night at the Fabian Society.
I agree it was far to left wing, they should of had Jim 'Nick Nick' Davidson on as well as the reanimated corpse of Bernand Manning on it. Telling a few racy (or racist, but I ain‘t racist, some of my best friends are black, well friend, and I don‘t really hang out with him really) jokes about black, Asians and the Irish. I think PC has gone far to mad if you ask me. As when 13 year of misrule was happening all you would ever see where comedians like that Carr just say things like, 'isn't Blair great, I really love him. ALL HAIL THE LABOUR PARTY' So now when the glorious Tory party take control (with a little help from some wussy pansy pc gone made Liberals) its all ,'isn't Ed Milliband great, and David Cameron wants to eat your babies.' Well I am sick of boring killjoy lefties not allowing us to make fun of people less fortunate then us. Cause everyone knows that the right wing is just the home of fun fun fun and laughter, just look at Clarkson and to a lesser extent Richard Smallcock and…erm…mad mel, she is great too.
maybe that’s what they could do, they could have a bit where Smallcock takes a wry look at the news, maybe cover some 'elf and safety' pc gone mad story...whilst Clarskon does a kind of soap box thing he already does on Top Gear...and there could be a monologue at the beginning, you could call it Davidson live from A Emirate, and it would be a video link to whatever evil despotic emirate Davidson calls home now, during which he could say how much he loves Britain. All these could be linked by mad mel doing a link about why its alright to worship Allah whilst dressed in a che t-shirt whilst looking at porn, but if you want to go down the street carrying a massive cross whilst some Romans whip you, you can get arrested. She could probably say something about how its anti-Semitic to not support Israel’s right to destroy the entire world as well.
All of the principals were likeable in themselves, but something about the show never quite gelled.
It may be, as you say, that the 'LIVE' element proved something of a millstone.
Or it may be that the bien-pensant metropolitan leftiness of the entire affair tended to make the show a bit predictable. As soon as we knew what the presenters were going to talk about, we knew exactly what they were going to say.
Comedy relies, to a certain extent, on the unexpected. The unremittingIslington dinner party bigotry got a bit wearing after a while, even if you agreed with it.
While the hooting student union claque in the studio may have lapped it up, there is an insufficiently large television audience nationally.
More unpredictability would breed more political balance and more laughs too.
Thanks for the info - you're right, I didn't know that. It's part-owned by Goldman Sachs, though, who I assume have a few pennies down the back of the sofa... (Not to mention Silvio Berlusconi's Mediaset.)
TW3 was biting satire from young people who didn't know any better and had a go at The Establishment. Most of them later went on to become members of that samee Establishment as most of it was public school boy/oxbridge humour, people like David Frost and John Cleese.
This show is based on 'Not The 9 O'Clock News' format, with Lauren taking the place of the blonde Pamela Stevenson. Carr is not a satirist but just an ordinary comedian. The other two men are loosely satirists.
But what TV needs desparately is another late night 'Saturday Live' with someone like Ben Elton before he grew up and sold out. Theres a lot of young talent out there and they could make mincemeat of the Coalition.
The tone of this article is confusing. It implies the series has been cancelled, when it's just finished it's initial run of episodes.
As far as I can tell no decision has been made on a 2nd series yet.
I was hoping for a daily show equivalent. Instead I got a dumbed down, trying-too-hard-to-be-funny, mish-mash of populism and grandstanding. I've just assumed the show isn't for me and stopped watching.
Its demise is simply explained: Who gives a shit what the Left thinks?
As a new show, I think they hit the ground running and shaped the show very well over its limited run. It was very watchable in my opinion. I don't know how they calculated the 631,900 viewing figures ?
It was a mistake to put it up against Question time and the News, I generally flipped back and forth during the ads. I know it was supposed to be an antidote for shows like Question time, but there is inevitably going to be some audience crossover.
Even though Lauren Laverne was out of her depth, comedy wise, it sort of worked well with her semi-hosting the show. Probably her solo segments were the weakest part if I'm honest, but she's alongside some pretty big comedy / satirical heavyweights.
Brooker and Mitchell were good.
The very worst moment for me, worse even than Jimmy Carr's dress-up bits, was when the audience AND some presenters started to applaud the breaking news that military action was to be taken in Libya.
That alone was an excellent reason to rethink the live format.
...and "angry tory boy" just proved to us further how an attempt (although to call it an "attempt" would be stretching it) at left-wing comedy can quickly devolve into a boring polemic rant.
10 O'Clock Live, take heed.
Herbert - Blimey! If don't mind me saying it, but you must be pushing on if you remember TWTWTW. And I like Brooker, and I sense he has only started. I for one will be looking forward to more, even more, razor-sharp diatribes from him. He's the best bits in the show.
And I agree with swantantra above, the show was more circa-1980 NTNOCN, but without sketches like PC Savage, or Rowan dressed up as a cultured gorilla, or those song/video spoofs they did at the end of each show.
But, swantantra, couldn't stand Saturday live, and Ben Elton reminds me of that Lieutenant out of Good Morning Vietnam, who tried to be a DJ. The Robin Williams film one. Ben Elton doing standup used to send me to sleep. He should have stuck to writing.
Helen Lewis is deputy editor of the New Statesman. She tweets @helenlewis