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So exactly who does agree with Osborne?

The voice of the IMF can now be added to the ever-growing chorus denouncing the measures of the Chancellor.

George Osborne has consistently claimed that every international organisation supports his policy positions. Interestingly, he fails to mention the growing consensus among commentators that his package of measures is ill-conceived and likely to push the UK into recession.

This is pretty much the position of most economic commentators ­- I place myself in that camp along with Martin Wolf and Sam Brittan (Financial Times); Anatole Kaletsky (the Times); Larry Elliott (the Guardian) and Bill Keegan (the Observer). It is also the position of Nobel Prize-winners Paul Krugman, Joe Stiglitz and Chris Pissarides.

George Soros in interviews at the Bretton Woods conference this weekend argued that fiscal austerity was not appropriate when recoveries were fragile.

Larry Summers, Obama's ex-chief economic adviser, described Osborne's so-called contractionary fiscal expansion as "oxymoronic".

Then, today, the IMF lowered its 2011 UK growth forecast from 2.0 per cent to 1.7 per cent. It maintained its forecast for 2012 at 2.3 per cent. Interestingly, the IMF raised its 2011 forecasts for Germany, Italy, Spain, Canada and Russia.

The OECD, in its composite indicators released today, is suggesting a period of low growth. If these are the best endorsements you can get, George, you are in trouble.

Also of interest is that a number of the CEOs who wrote a letter to the Telegraph supporting Osborne's measures six months or so ago are now backtracking as the high street sales crumble. And Andrew Sentance's pointless claims over the weekend that rates may quadruple in the next year are also likely to scare off the consumers even further. MPC members are supposed to do no harm.

Oh dear, George. Things are not looking so good.

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40 comments

frances smith's picture

well presumably cameron must agree with him, and also clegg and danny alexander, otherwise they would not have been so enthusiastic about the cuts.

interesting to see what happens as it all goes wrong, i wonder who will be the first to crack.

Bellamy Lafontaine's picture

I just read S Moore comments.
He almost has it right. "The Tory party are the political wing of the banking industry and therefore lack any real understanding of the financial decisions that they make and they most definitely lack any social conscience whatsoever"

But they do have a "real understaning" of exactly what they are doing.
Give them some credit.
They believe it totally.
They have turned their arrogance into righteous indifference to those they claim to rule.
Or rather some sections of those they claim to rule.

mike555's picture

Isn't high consumer spending/debt part of the reason why we got in trouble? Can spending on such a scale be sustained in the long term?

Arjan's picture

"Oh dear, George. Things are not looking so good."

David, you sound allmost happy when a new round of figures adds further proof that Osborne's policies do not work.

To you this may be just an intellectural exercise but to many, like myself, depressed growth just means fewer options of finding work and increased anxiety over an uncertain future.

Sometimes, 'being right' is not something to be happy about.

mike555's picture

@StephenH

Quite so, that's sort of the point I am making.

Alice's picture

Dogs would have prevented this mess in the first place: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/pets/8443038/What-we-can-learn-from-ma...

Benjamin Rae's picture

It's defiantly coming. The tissue of lies and half truths peddled by Osborne and co is beggining to fall apart. Fact is the man is not that position on ability. He's had the right friends and a good slice of luck.
Watching him either unable or unwilling to defend his budget against Ed Balls was really something. The sooner this nasty little piece of work is totally exposed for what he is the better.

matthew fox's picture

Yet again Mike555 can't quote a fact to save his life.

Consumer spending accounts 68 % of the economy, strange how clueless Mike555 is of this fact.

The reason why we got into this trouble is because Osborne has killed the recovery and murdered confidence in the economy.

Chris's picture

@Arjan

Yawn, talk about shooting the messenger. Blanchflower has shown way more compassion and empathy than Osborne has or ever will show.

Osborne has been totally irresponsible and cavalier in his attitude to the UK economy. What sort of Chancellor runs around talking down the economy by lying and saying the country is bankrupt?

mike555's picture

@Matt

"Consumer spending accounts 68 % of the economy, strange how clueless Mike555 is of this fact."

And? Doesn't it matter if people spend beyond their means then?

Still waiting for your answers to that long list of questions.

Luddite's picture

compassion and empathy don't pay the bills Chris. Mr Blanchflower is somewhat a boom merchant himself. For what ever reasons industry is booming. Let's hope that continues.

Ali's picture

What do you think of Matthew Bishop interviewing Joseph E. Stiglitz at the 92nd Street Y (video) - http://f4a.tv/fVagPo

Big Al's picture

clegg certainly didnt agree with him before the election. And he said that no serious economist did. Although I think that Blair might, which is a bit confusing

StephenH's picture

@Mike555
The relation between personal debt and consumer spending is central to the OBRs predictions for UK growth over the next few years.
Quite simply if their growth predictions are to be met then personal debt will have to resume its inexorable rise-- or if people choose not to become more indebted growth will stagnate at a level well below that consistent with replacing public sector job losses.

Mike Wood's picture

The UK economy is suffering from a chronic lack of aggregate demand caused by the deleveraging of households and SMEs- Steven H's point - this is being exacerbated by current policies and compounded by German inspired deflation and retrenchment across Europe our principal trading partner. God help us all.

Ivan White's picture

"Mr Balls is NOT the answer and provides no alternative... after all he's the one that put us in debt."

Strange remark. I thought that Ed Balls used to be Schools Secretary, not a hedge fund manager.

elrob's picture

why oh why should we care of the opinions of the vulture, blood-sucking, consistntly wrong IMF?

Argentina sowed the way. It followed IMF policies, went bust, then a new govt defaulted on loans and the country hasn't looked back since.

It's what more countries/institutions/people should do for all but its most recent debt. The worldwide mess caused by banks should lead to mass defaults or we're looking at a zombie economy unfit for purpose for years....

Graham O's picture

These political economists frighten me. The fact is that previous government spending, plus funding wars and banks, got us into this mess. We are going to have a massive cut in standards whatever is done, before economies come back under control. Most taxing is going to go on interest payments, so defaults by the UK and US are on the cards.
The UK and US are trying to print money to shrink the debt. No wonder China is buying gold as fast as it can to get rid of all the useless dollars it's been paid for exports.

Mike's picture

Our economic problems date back to Thatcher's decimation of our industrial base. New labour didn't make enough progress in righting her wrongs and now we have the self proclaimed "children of Thatcher" wrecking what's left.

They had a golden opportunity to make a statement of good intent with the Sheffield Forgemasters loan. Instead they caved in to pressure by Andrew Cook, a Sheffield business man and Tory donor, to withdraw the loan offer. They talk of a private sector driven recovery but to me it's all about helping their Tory pals.

Thatcher proved that monetarist and austerity driven policies do not work (as have the Irish during the present economic downturn). Osborne, Cameron & Co. are proving that Tories don't learn from their previous mistakes. Or perhaps they don't care just so long as they and their friends remain in the wealthy top slice of our society.

Luddite's picture

Aren't economists wonderful people, all have the answers to our economic woes, but not one predicted the financial crisis. I did, and i'm not an economist. You can't keep spending what you no longer have and you can't keep borrowing your way out of debt. I'm angry with Labour, and with Mr Brown in particular. Because they didn't see it coming. But i shouldn't get angry. After all, Brown like myself aren't qualified economists.

writeoff's picture

Luddite, some economists did predict the bubble bursting, Dean Baker at the CEPR for example. You clearly don't understand the meaning of economic stimulus, but buying the Tory line or not is irrelevant. What they are doing IS working - they want a lever to flog off the public sector, cut business rates to the lowest in the EU if not the world (AKA 'The Irish Model') and smash up the what's left of the state for their own vindictive pleasure. Then the government will swan off into sleeping directorships and live in the south of France. Job done.

Hal's picture

As Mike Wood says, we are suffering from an overall lack of demand in the economy. This is because the highly-indebted are trying to save not spend.

To keep the economy running, those that are not highly-indebted, or have money saved, must spend and/or borrow more. This *includes* the government (which has relatively low debt by both historic and international comparisons).

This is why interest rates are low - to induce those that can to borrow and spend. Right now, the government is borrowing at an interest rate less than the rate of inflation, so is actually making a profit on its borrowing (providing of course that GDP keeps up with inflation. It will, won't it George?)

BigC's picture

"The voice of the IMF can now be added to the ever-growing chorus denouncing the measures of the Chancellor"

Er...where exactly do they "denounce" Osbornes measures? As far as I can tell, they simply lowered the growth estimate.

"This is pretty much the position of most economic commentators ­ I place myself in that camp along with Martin Wolf and Sam Brittan (Financial Times); Anatole Kaletsky (the Times); Larry Elliott (the Guardian) and Bill Keegan (the Observer)."

Pretty short list that...hardly "most"! I'm sure Osborne could come up with a much longer list of "commentators" that support his position.

"Also of interest is that a number of the CEOs who wrote a letter to the Telegraph supporting Osborne's measures six months or so ago are now backtracking as the high street sales crumble"

Evidence? or just another wild statement!

Stuart's picture

Anthony Binder,

The definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of declining production. We only had one quarter so it was not a recession. Might sound pedantic but it is necessary to decide on a minimum time because of variations in production. An extreme example would be using a twelve hour period and saying we fell into recession between 6pm and 6am, every single day!

King1and's picture

@Luddite
"After all, Brown like myself aren't qualified economists."

You can add osborne to that list, he started his degree course in Economics but dropped out as it was too hard.

Worrying isn't it.

sal's picture

Osbourne sn of millionaires doe snot have a clue about budgeting !

Bellamy Lafontaine's picture

George Osbourne points out luckless Portugal and warns us all we should grateful for his words.
It's called protective rationalisation.
It turns arrogance into humility, social brulality into patriotism, pomposity into leadership.
It requires no brains at all, only no charactuer.

Greg's picture

Blanchflower, I cannot believe how disingenuous your article is, misguiding your fellow socialist readers with utter nonsense. The IMF also described the UK cuts as "necessary" and criticized other countries for failing to rein in their debt.

Funny the type of info you omit from your articles.

By the way, what was your opinion on the UK joing the Euro currency??

S Moore's picture

The Tory party are the political wing of the banking industry and therefore lack any real understanding of the financial decisions that they make and they most definitely lack any social conscience whatsoever

Gracie's picture

Will Cameron add Osborne to the list of ministers he hangs out to dry when things go wrong? Interestingly, I have been noting for some time that Osborne and Cameron seem somewhat estranged, what I cannot work out is if Cameron is distancing himself from Osborne or it is the other way around?
Does Osborne think that Cameron is now damaged goods and is keeping his distance with one eye on the top job?

The coalition is in deep trouble, Osborne must know it!

Clegg is proving to be a PR disaster and I don't see "call me Dave" putting up with that for much longer, coalition or no coalition, Clegg is beginning to hurt the Tory party as well as taking part in the ruination of his own party. Doomsday is May elections, depending on the results, I think things are set to get a bit lively after then!

Stuart's picture

Not very long ago you claimed that Britain was about to "fall off a cliff" due to the coalition's plans. Now 1.7% growth is not falling off a cliff but growing at a moderate rate (trend rates are something like 2-2.5%). So do you now believe Britain will endure a slow recovery or a severe double-dip?

Secondly to quote lots of Keynesian economists and writers as proof of how right you are is like a me (as a Liverpool FC fan) quoting Robbie Fowler, Steven Gerrard and Ian Rush about how Liverpool are the best football team in the world. Other economists disagree with your Keynesian analysis of the world.

Stu's picture

Job creation in the private sector is the ultimate decider of whether George can win or lose in his strategy. His aim to help private companies move to the UK and create employment is the key. But we need jobs now and fast! Maybe George is putting all his eggs into one basket but I don't know what else he can do... one thing i do know is that Mr Balls is NOT the answer and provides no alternative... afterall he's the one that put us in debt and now he want's us to 'trust' him to fix it... erm... don't be fooled by this joker!

in my opinion all 'chancellors' are liars but unlike the Labour government who can cover their tracks with a booming economy George has nowhere to run. I fear we'll be in this for the long run and if Labour gets back into government in 2015 they would do the same but 'slower' in their words which doesn't solve the problem either...

Thanks Labour, for not saving a single penny and for a record borrowing and debt in our years of 'boom'...

Anam Rahman's picture

It may sound silly, and it may be my youthfulness which holds no anxiety to say this, but surely you have to be sceptical about any chancellor who firstly studied modern history and secondly makes jokes about referring to his GCSE economics text books, when hard economics issues arise

Andrew Kennard's picture

This is what the report issued by the IMF actually says.

For instance, growth in the United Kingdom
is projected at 1¾ percent in 2011 as necessary
front-loaded fiscal consolidation dampens domestic
demand. Page 65

Perhaps Mr Blanchflower did not write the headline and the first two lines as I note he does not in the article actually say that the IMF report denouces the government's measures. The headline though gives a completely misleading idea of what the IMF report says.

wiggoh's picture

The reason for quoting Keynesian economists in support of an expansive economic model is simple. Keynesian economics work when large scale retractions in economic activity occur. By supporting ibdustry and infrastructure economies recover. While there is a dubious logic to nonetarism periods such as now prove that low tax low spend fiscal policies are a fools gold.

Anthony Binder's picture

Am I the only one that has noticed that the economy isn´t likely to be pushed into recession? Just look at the figures from Oct-Dec,
-0.5-0.6% means WE ARE ALREADY IN A RECESSION, a contracted economy (that´s what the little '-' means) indicates a recession!!!! So atleast we were in recession ending 2010

Please, start talk about the reality we are in, you can´t add up economic growth from last spring to balance the contraction that actually exists.

Bellamy Lafontaine's picture

Stu

You do indeed sound pedantic.
Just like Marie Antionette and her comments about the high price of bread in Paris and her infamous 'Let them eat cake' comment
When people on the Titanic were clinging onto liferafts in the bitter cold of the Atlantic, it would have been pedantic whether or not the definition of a shiipwreck depended on whether or not the ship had yet to disappear beneath the waves.
Look outside the cave.

Bellamy Lafontaine's picture

With time Osborne policies could possibly work, but time waits for no man.
He is a lucky man to have gotten this far, but with a compliant media, a non-existense opposition, and dogma and with Portugal, Greece and Ireland to point his finger at to force fear into our hearts, his luck holding.
No doubt he'll be working on 'new' bogeymen to pin the blame on in the weeks ahead.
I think he's only too aware of what he is doing but is too stubborn and egotistical to admit he has got it all badly wrong.
The alternative that he atually believes all this economic nonsense of his is too horrific to even comtemplate.

Stuart's picture

Bellamy Lafontaine,

I was simply stating the definition of a recession. This Sunday we may fall into 'recession' due to all those people not going to work and producing stuff. Timescale does matter.

If we grow this year at 1.7% whilst beginning the contraction of the public sector that is really not a bad growth rate at all and certainly not worth the melodrama of comparing the UK to the Titanic.

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