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The US, and it's 51st and 52nd states (UK, Israel) assassinate their enemies in cold blood all the time. WTF do you think a drone missle does, or indeed, Spielberg's Munich?

These guys do this shit, so we can all slob away at our PCs getting fatter, and bickering about it all :)

Are you kidding? Osama bin Laden was a military commander not in uniform, and therefore not entitled to be treated as a prisoner of war if captured.

He was also a blasphemer and a devotee of false religion. Now he's been sent to live with the fishes where he belongs.

Rationality belongs to the cool observer. But because of the stupidity of the average man, he follows not reason, but faith. And this naive faith requires necessary illusion, and emotionally potent oversimplifications, which are provided by the myth-maker to keep the ordinary person on course. It’s not the case, as the naive might think, that indoctrination is inconsistent with democracy. Rather, it is the essence of democracy."

-Reinhold Niebuhr

If we take the war on the abstract, the "war on terror", as valid; is it not then possible to determine from this that the 'execution' was permissible on the grounds of it neutralising a military target? Given Bin Laden's status as a military leader, the figurehead and leader of a terrorist organisation that carried out deadly attacks on the USA, Britain and many other countries, do we not infer from this that he was a legitimate target? Someone essential to Al Qaeda's war machine?

Evidently, extraction and a criminal trial would have been preferable. However, despite Pakistan's claims the ISI helped the Americans (later proved false) in killing Bin Laden, the country would not be one that extraditing Bin Laden from would really be an option. Likewise, a trial would - necessarily - be the showtrial offered to Eichmann or Saddam Hussein, where the only real 'justice' is that of victor's justice; revenge.

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"I thought that Osama Bin Laden was very ill in 2001 and died a short time later" - Anton Jury

So did a lot of people. Benazir Bhutto even named his murderer in an interview with David Frost (censored on the BBC but available elsewhere).

But that doesn't matter now. He was taken out during primetime. It's a great day for freedom and peace etc etc. USA USA USA

andyg
04 May 2011 at 18:46

@ Luddite.

Well said, but Bush still lives.
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Andy, u alive because Bush is Alive. Just a thought.

Kimpatsu, you're OK as long as you don't wage armed jihad in favour of a false religion.

Keep your nose clean and mind 'ow you go!

I have begun to regain confidence in Obama because he said before elections that PAKISTAN is the problem.

For those who miss this, please read Naipaul literature on Islam and its imperilistic influence on cultures where it conquered. If have lived in India and interacted with Muslims in India; you can understand it.

Arab muslims or even Afgani muslims cannot tell that story. Arab Muslims are very different story.

We need to wait until the original orders are on Wikileaks. Of course, even if the orders said "bring him back dead or alive" there would still be the element of nudge-nudge, wink-wink.

I thought that Osama Bin Laden was very ill in 2001 and died a short time later !

Why would the Americans claim to have assassinated Osama Bin Laden and bury him at sea within Twenty Four Hours and also confirm his DNA results in such a short time ?

Would it not have been better to have held his body for a few days to double check the DNA results and any other formalities that may be necessary, for example : Notify living relatives and formal paper work prepared regarding burial and providing full evidence to show to Osama Bin Laden's relatives that he was died and give them a choice in burial and matters regarding it.

I think MikeHypercube has hit the nail on the head. If the US forces made a reasonable effort to take him alive, but it just wasn't possible, then it seems that this was a welcome and praiseworthy operation. However, if it was the intention all along to kill him, then I find that worrying.

Well said @writeon.

I feel like this incident has brought the absolute worst out of humanity. There have been atrocities committed so incomprehensible that we will never fully understand them. The holocaust, Rwandan genocide, the deaths of millions in Iraq.

But throughout this, there has always been someone professing to uphold democratic justice. Trial by one's peers and punishment that fits the crime.

With the 'killing' of OBL, the very people who claim to export democracy to the world have finally disregarded one of its pillars. The rule of law and justice for ALL.

What we know about OBL is irrelevant. If we claim to be the last bastion of freedom and justice, we must apply our principles to ALL. We must lead by example and change the world through our principles and ethical actions.

I fear this killing is a watershed moment. For years the US have assasinated those who work against its interests, but to openly do so, offering no evidence or chance of trial, sets a precedent for a new kind of imperial justice.

If enough people think you're guilty, your killing can be justified without evidence.

I won't lose sleep over Bin Laden, but I do worry that we can now expect this type of "revenge" against enemies of America now that it has been sanctioned by public opinion.

What's more worrying is the amout of chatter I've been hearing today to the effect of "Well, I suppose we don't have to worry about extremist terrorism any more!" As if Bin Laden was coordinating all terrorism like some kind of super villain, and without him all cukoo fundamentalist types will revert to being nice, invite-em-round-for-a-beer neighbourly folk.

Scary.

The implication of the official statements is that he was shot resisting arrest. I have not seen any statement that the killing was planned.

If people later express happiness at his death this alone does not make the killing unlawful, but at most could lead to an inference that the official account is perhaps not true.

Of course law, international or otherwise, is intended only to keep the ordinary citizen in line; otherwise we would just rise up and strangle our leaders in their beds. Every time a dissatisfied citizen runs amok with a gun, the gun laws are tightened to make it less likely that someone who's premature demise would be of general benefit to the nation as a whole, will occur.

Law for the elite seems to be virtually inoperative provided its violation is carried out discretely and doesn't embarrass the establishment by making this fact too obvious to the general public. Even then the sentences meted out to those considered 'worthy' by those who rule our lives is noticeable less severe than would be the case for the rest of us given the same crime.

The argument as to the legality of actions carried out at the behest of those at the top of the heap is a sterile one unless we first ask "Who's law?" has been broken. We cannot judge our leaders' adherence to laws intended only for us and must first understand which laws, applicable to THEM, they have violated.

-Osama committed mass murders.

-An eye for an eye.

-Osama was murdered.

Logic can explain why and how he died, but it cannot explicate why murder driven by justice is wrong. I'll leave that to philosophy.

Can we try to establish a consensus?

Is Bin Laden's death a satisfactory resolution to the events? Would you rather see that or, say, him locked in a cell to rot until the end of his days. If it were up to you and you had the choice; dead or alive, which would you choose?

Agreed, 'law' is only what those possessed of the most power deem it to be at any given moment, it doesn't exist in any other form. Certainly the United States is at the top of the international pile and can therefore justify anything it does as legitimate whilst condemning other nations who do the same or similar (Guantanamo Bay).

There was a firefight that lasted several minutes. I have no idea whether OBL actually participated in the shooting, but that seems to me beside the point. You come to arrest me, my guys start shooting, I'm at risk and culpable.

Point being - doesn't fit my definition of an execution.

One statement said OBL was given a chance to surrender and wouldn't, and was then shot. Didn't say whether his refusal entailed simply saying "no", or attempting to continue fighting.

All in all, I think none of us (including m'learned friends, whether here or in the EU) have enough data to start making judgements.

Also, can we in the 'civilised' West really assume that we can attack and slaughter civilians in various countries around the world, whithout anyone striking back at us, are they just supposed to take it and do nothing?

Bush, Blair and Obama make me want to vomit, along with most Western leaders. Our hypocracy and sanctimony are grotesgue. Our killing machine, also known as our 'heroes' make Bin Laden look like a mere amateur in the game of mass killing. Why don't the hundreds of thousands slaughtered in Iraq count on the great scale of 'justice', where the mountains of corpses are weighed, why is it only our losses that matter and have names?

Are our great leaders really that different to Saddam and Bin Laden? Why is his killing of civilians worse than ours? Do the dead even care about the motives or intentions of their killers?

writeon
03 May 2011 at 19:28 Who started this war? That PIG is directly responsible for most of the carnage throughout the Middle East, India, and Pakistan.

It is good to see so many principled commentators who still believe in the rule of law, despite the best efforts of GW's America to dismantle that prop of democracy!
Did you like the code name for this assassination exercise?
Geronimo.
How ironic.
An Apache who became a resistance fighter when his family were murdered by colonial settlers/invaders and then driven off his lands. He surrendered on the promise that he could later return to his homeland, but that was another lie. He was never permitted to, and died what could be said to be the equivelant to a refugee camp -in his own country.
Now where have I heard a story like that before?
And wasn't that story one of the primary reasons for UBL's becoming a fighter in the first place?
the wheel is still in spin. Who knows when they will stop, or where.

I think they should have kept him alive and put him in an open cage in the Nevada desert surrounded by snipers to be used a bit like flypaper, with a continuous song balaring out, "O Come Ye Jihadis,endeavour to befree him" and so on and so forth.lol

@ RK.
Your missing out on something called history. The reason I and all the writers of this blog are alive today is because our ancestors thought that murder, slavery and the punishment of the innocent was wrong at the hands of those who were able to gain the means of production through theft, lies and butchery. You see, OBL maybe all the things you wish to believe and may even be true of what has been written but that does not give any other human being the right to murder him nor anyone else. The likes of Bush do so in the name of what is just and proper but if you take the time to look you may just find that what is just and proper is carried out through what is known as written rules. This is what is known as Justice. It matters not of those who care to ignore this justice because those who believe in the justice system would hand the wrongdoer over to the justice system. For some strange reason the middle east and others didn't want to do this which makes one wonder why. From this point on a democratic state would or should use political persuasion to have the wrongdoer over but this apparently failed. Again one wonders why.
The real reason RK is OIL. One wants it and the other doesn't want to give it therefore murder becomes the ultimate persuader.