But stuart you have just told us that your flat in Hackney burnt down in the riots, and you are now living with your sister in Hounslow. Are you really telling us that Hounslow is in the hood?

OhFFS

As you have invited me to try again....50% of black youths are unemployed compared to 20% of white youths.

I always thought that the left represented the white working classes...not the right wing of politics???

You are talking out of your sanctamonious behind again!

"HOW HAS MASS IMMIGRATION BENEFITTED THE WHITE WORKING CLASSES?"

By showing them that if you work hard and don't guzzle cheap booze every night while pitying yourself, you can still get ahead. If the white working classes can't be bothered to get off their asses, then they can't blame people who are willing to do the dirty jobs.

i am getting fed up with this pc slogan(the english riots) and in fact these in fact were british riots with british peoples of all creeds and races who indulged in a orgy of clockwork orange type ultra violence and mayhem in the worst of british tradition...

OhFFS

The umeployment rate amongst ethnic minorities is higher than amongst the white population....therefore your assertion that white working classes are lazy is not only a racist generalisation it is completely inaccurate!!

Stuart Eels

Alex Salmond's call to the BBC and others to desist using the 'UK Riots' label was his duty as First Minister to prevent losses to the Scottish tourist industry.He put the case soberly,acknowledged that Scotland is not immune to such troubles and did not in any way indulge in self-congratulation.His quoted remarks are there in the newspaper reports for anyone to read.Any claims that he did indulge in self-congratulation came from a small number of febrile Scottish unionist politicians who are still in denial about the results of May's Holyrood elections.Their accusations against Salmond over this do not appear to have been supported by many Scots.I'd like to point out to you Stuart that Alex Salmond is a senior Privy Councillor and is certainly not going to gloat over riots.

Dez,

Apologies, missed, "Hodges, seems like you want to have a go at ordinary pp; standing up to the looters and arsonists (whom you probably admire) and dont like the backlash against them".

Yep, I admire them so much I've advocated using the army, rubber bullets and water cannon against them.

As I've always suspected, we've got 4 classes in Britain: upper middle lower and feral.

These days the left see fascism everywhere - except when they look in the mirror.

"The umeployment rate amongst ethnic minorities is higher than amongst the white population....therefore your assertion that white working classes are lazy is not only a racist generalisation it is completely inaccurate!!"
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Nope. But feel free to try again, once you've got your head out of the BNP gutter. The white working classes are every right wing idiot's pet victim, even as they run down immigrants who work hard and want a decent life. If immigrants have trouble finding work, it ain't because they don't want it. Immigrants generally end up doing the work no-one else wants - and they don't whine about it. The white victim classes could learn a lot from them.

it is always far right nutters like you dan hodges,that think bringing the army onto the streets shoot unarmed citixens with rubber bullets then to be washed down by water cannon is the answer,,i am surprised you dont want all drunks tasered if they step out of line with the police on a boozy satarday night,,get a grip man

Come round to my house and chuck some bricks, and see what happens Cronin. I've got a high powered bow and a few hunting arrows.

And a lot of empty space in my back paddock where nobody goes.

you miss the point ecosseman..when the olympics come across next year, you wont hear the term enlish,scottish or welch athelete or boxer but in fact the term british will be deeply banded about in everybodys brain for a certain,,,, the scottish bnp oops i mean the snp seem to be taking the high moral in not wanting to be linked to us enlish rioting savages...funny that from a seperatist party that alex salmond leads

Starkey and edl inexricably linked the thick and the thicker combine in a right wing sandwich of total racist bollox

Mr D. As far as I'm concerned, if it saves 1 American or Brit's life they hold a blow torch to the bast@rds feet.

@Danielle: 'True, these countries also have a capitalist system. But maybe the system is managed differently, controlled in some way.'

The word 'capitalism' is then too vague. To me it is a meaningless word. People use it to describe free enterprise, but free enterprise is regulated differently in different countries. So you have a variety of different 'systems' of government. Lumping them together in one word 'capitalism' is inaccurate because there are different systems and not just one.

When you say 'capitalism' is to blame then you have to ask what is this thing called capitalism? Then you come up with 'free enterprise' ..but then you say well it is never free as it is always regulated .. and it is regulated differently in different countries. Do you see what I am getting at .. it's a useless reason for describing why something has happened because it is such a vague word.

You have pointed out other reasons .. to me they are much more accurate, and I can understand what you are saying about them. And I agree with you that pleasure doesn't have to be about material possessions.

stuart

You're right,I do miss the point completely.

Flashbuck, i agree with a lot of what you say but i would feel happier if it wasn't just the poor andthe unemployed who are " pumelled into shape"

What about the lying greedy self serving scum that are our poiticians who reform pensions for low paid public secor workers and cicil servants while keeping their own noses in the trough? What about big business and bankers who got off scot free? Pummel them too and and then we might, just might, all be in it together.

Oh and someone told me the other day that in the good old US of A that 52% of all crime classed as violent last year was committed by blacks who make up appox 18% of the population. Anyone got any ideas why that might be?

Anyone know the racial make up for crime in the Uk or England?

I want to hear the fascist left answer when we see the numbers.

“If we have to promise water cannon, promise them. If we have to threaten to use baton rounds, threaten. If we have to prepare for troops on the streets, prepare them. Demand exemplary sentences. Reverse the police cuts. Pledge to look at curtailing the use of social networking sites.”
The government cannot demand exemplary sentences because the judiciary is independent. If they do they are stupid and should be roundly criticised for doing so. How can the government pledge to curtail the use of social networking sites as well? How could this possibly be policed? This idea reeks of playing to the press and to a particular silly cloth eared demographic. It’s a stupid idea which chooses to forget how social networking aided the clear up operations in London, Manchester etc…let us please quit the silly rhetoric…

'Reverse the Police Cuts'?
You can't, because the Police have to tighten their belt just like the rest of us. Its the same argument being used by our Armed Services: the security of the country is at stake. Tosh! the Armed Forces will have to review and downsize and work within what is realistically capable for Britain to achieve. The Police and Army think they can hold the country to ransom, but they can't.

US torture was on innocent British nationals who happened to be in the wrong place. The torture dished out was nothing to do with extracting information to save lives. It was done out of revenge. I can understand why the US invaded Afghanistan and I even see it as being justified .. you can't have murderous people living beyond justice. But I don't think torturing people is right. Two wrongs don't make a right.

john cronin writes, 'Well, are whites entitled to protect themselves or not? Answers on a postcard.'

I'd say Yes. But I'd add that blacks and Asians are also entitled to protect themselves. I'd like to see multi-racial workers' militia patrolling the streets. Do you agree? Go on, surprise me.

"As Britain burned..."

Please tell us Dan which parts of Scotland and which parts of Wales burned.

If you can't do that then please be accurate when you write articles about the English riots.

Cronin: has it ever occurred to you why they are removing some of your posts? And you do realise that that there will come a point when you wont be able to post at all if you carry on posting obvious racist comments?

Why do you think you should be able to write whatever you want on someone else's website?

What I find is good about the New Statesman is that you can criticise and even insult the authors and they let it stand. To me that demonstrates how open minded and tolerant they are. I've banned from some websites for just asking probing questions!

Use your brain Cronin.