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Why can't British people talk to celebrities?

Experiencing extreme social awkwardness on meeting a minor celebrity seems to be a peculiarly British talent.

David Mitchell
David Mitchell: Not that much of a Famous, really. Photograph: Getty Images

Many years ago, as a teenager, I was lucky enough to meet the legendary West Indian cricketer Gordon Greenidge. Mr Greenidge MBE, the scorer of 7,558 Test runs, was absolutely lovely to this stuttering, nervous child. He signed my thigh guard, gave me some splendid advice on how to bat better, and wished me all the best for the future.

This week, I was lucky enough to be at a swanky lunch, where I found myself introduced to Greenidge once more. What a fantastic opportunity! Now, as an adult, I could ask all those interesting questions that I hadn't felt bold enough to ask as a child. Was he ever scared of a bowler? Did he really feign injuries when he was at the top of his game? Who was the best cricketer he ever played against? Think Parky meeting Mohammad Ali, but with more subtle, teasing questions, and more mutual respect.

"Hello," said Mr Greenidge.

"You...you signed my thigh guard!."

"I'm sorry?"

"I was 16, and you signed it, and ever since that day I was much better at batting!"

"Really?"

"Yes! Absolutely."

"I'm not sure that could have made you better."

"Um."

"Um."

"Well, thank you anyway Mr Greenidge. You must excuse me."

What is WRONG with me? Mind you, I have some inkling that the aforementioned Parky-style interview wouldn't have been much fun for Mr Greenidge either. I'm a cricket tragic and have managed to wrangle my way into all sorts of events attended by former professionals. I've realised that if there's one thing they don't want to talk about - and you do - it's cricket.

"Who's the fastest bowler you've faced?" "What's your favourite ground?" "How do you make it reverse swing?" It might be fascinating for you, but for them, it's essentially like being asked the same 10 questions about Sharon from accounts and what's in the office vending machine, over and over again.

So respect must go to the man I saw later on at the event who was sitting next to Henry Olonga, the former Zimbabwe bowler. Rather than talking about his brave black armband protest against Robert Mugabe at the World Cup, or even Olonga's opera singing career (which all of us cricket tragics know about in quite some detail), he instead got into a passionate debate over who had the best mobile phone tariff.

Anyway, this has set me thinking about celebrities, and the British reaction to them. Of course, as a nation we have no respect whatsoever for The Famouses, do we? If we're not ruthlessly mocking them in the pub, we're probably sending them abusive tweets or laughing at pictures of their cellulite in Closer. Except, I'm not sure that's the whole story at all. I consider myself a mature, urbane adult, who is self-confident enough never to be intimidated by someone simply because they've been tapped by the arbitrary Sword of Celebrity. And yet, here are some of the things nerves made me do back when I used to work as a TV researcher:

- Offer David Mitchell a cup of tea, even though I'd actually progressed slightly beyond the tea-making role and there were eight other people in the room whom I'd completely ignored. Having had my offer correctly rebuffed, I then turned to the room and said, "Oh, and would anyone else like one?" which of course made it a lot worse.

- Looked after the actor James Grout from Inspector Morse in a hotel bar before an interview, which I did by sitting him down with a cup of coffee, ordering myself a double whiskey and coke even though it was 11am (even now, I really have no idea why I did this), then launching into a 20-minute monologue which started with the fact I'd gone to Brighton for the weekend, segued into my thoughts on theatre in the UK and somehow journeyed via the South Downs to a discussion of the epitaph on Virginia Woolf's gravestone. At no point did he do anything other than politely nod his head.

- Attempted to compliment Ari Up of The Slits by telling her my Dad was a huge fan (which he wasn't).

- Ranted - pretty much to the point of shouting - at Andy Parsons (whom I'd never met before) about the fact that the Happy Eater on the A303 has really bad customer service even though if I'm absolutely honest the restaurant I'm thinking of might be a Little Chef and I'm not even sure it is on the A303.

And these are just a few examples - honestly, there are a great many more - from my professional career. What about chance encounters? What about staring pointedly into Rob Brydon's eyes in a cinema queue before tutting, shaking my head and scowling at him, because I thought I'd recognised him as a mate from work, realised he wasn't and felt a bit disappointed, then realised who he was and that I'd been staring straight at him, and for some reason my instinctive response to the situation was to show my disapproval of his very existence?

And let's not pretend I'm alone in this. What about my significant other in Boots, frantically jabbing her friend and saying "Look! Look! It's Stephen Fry!" over and over again, so loudly that Stephen Fry was obliged to turn around and wave at them both, right there in the middle of the shop? I just don't think she's the first person to have done this sort of thing.

Part of the problem, of course, is the ridiculous emphasis and semi deification of celebrities - and with all due respect, some of the above names are hardly 'A' List - by the television industry. Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe has explained this ridiculous treatment of the "Talent" far better than I ever could. As a junior researcher, which I was when most of the above took place, you are taught that these people are GODS, rather than people, and so it's no wonder you treat them as such.

But I think there's rather more to it. I think it comes down to being English. It's a subject which has been touched upon by Kate Fox in her classic work of social anthropology, Watching the English, from 2004. As she explains, the people of this island race have a bit of a problem with, well, other people. The "core" of Englishness, she argues, is "a cogenital disorder, bordering on a sort of sub-clinical combination of autism and agoraphobia.. It is our lack of ease, discomfort and incompetence in the field of social interaction; our embarrassment, insularity, awkwardness, perverse obliqueness, emotional constipation, fear of intimacy and general inability to engage in a normal and straightforward fashion with other human beings."

This discomfort, she says, lead to our tendency to become "over-polite, buttoned up and awkwardly restrained or loud, loutish, crude, violent and generally obnoxious." For her, a stiff upper lip and hooliganism are sides of the same coin. No doubt, this is the problem with which we're dealing, amplified a hundred times by the social pressure that fame generates for the person in its presence. There's only one thing for it. I'm going to have to become a sleb myself. The Apprentice, here I come. All I have to do is interact with my fellow humans for a few weeks without breaking down in tears, mortally offending them or punching one of them in the balls so hard we both scream. Shouldn't be too hard. I'm English, Goddammit.

 

18 comments

Keir's picture

Treat all with perfect respect, and you won't go wrong.

Pavlova's picture

Actors and presenters do a boring and pointless job in this world. They are adults who dress up and pretend to do something that the rest of us do for real, what on earth is there to be impressed by?

FerralReserve's picture

The questions that come to my mind when in the presence of famous people might land me in trouble if I came out with them, but they all threaten to come out at once, hence my clamming up. I'm sure I'm not alone. Questions like:

* Whose couch did you sleep on to get where you are today?
* How many people did you trample on to reach the top?
* Were you an odious a**hole when you were an infant?
* Which psychopath inspired you to get into politics/acting/banking?
* How much earnings have you hidden from the Inland Revenue?
* What mind-set allows you to act so dammed cockie?

Thanks for the opportunity to air these skepticisms, so next time you are a mute fan in front of a "celebrity", you might remember that you have some clout as a writer for The New Statesman, ask these questions and watch them swallow their tongue!

Rizly's picture

Working at Glastonbury Festival I managed to embarrass myself in front of Shapi Korsandi, Norman Lovett, Jarvis Cocker, Josie Long, Matt Kirshen... Oh to be socially adept and confident... :(

Best I could manage with any of them was "I'm a big fan."
Only Norman was sweet about it, and actually seemed surprised that I recognised him- COME ON! It's HOLLY from RED DWARF!!! OMGOMGOMG!

Rizly's picture

Working at Glastonbury Festival I managed to embarrass myself in front of Shapi Korsandi, Norman Lovett, Jarvis Cocker, Josie Long, Matt Kirshen... Oh to be socially adept and confident... :(

Best I could manage with any of them was "I'm a big fan."
Only Norman was sweet about it, and actually seemed surprised that I recognised him- COME ON! It's HOLLY from RED DWARF!!! OMGOMGOMG!

Kevin Irving's picture

I once had a lovely conversation with Duncan Goodhew about his swimming career whilst I was working at BT, and my brother meet him twenty years earlier in a social club in Derby. What a GENT!

Henry Grotchforth IV's picture

Of course it's going to be a most unusual interaction. Where else would you be in a situation where you know much about the celeb but he/she knows nothing about you. It's so non-symmetrical it can't not be weird.
Do you start the conversation with "I loved the third episode where you ate the goldfish by accident. How did it taste"? I suppose you could start with the general "Looks like the weather's turning nasty again". But should you even talk to them? Would you bother if they weren't famous?
I've little experience of meeting celebs apart from on two occasions; one a radio presenter and the other a Premier footballer who was known for his temper. On both these occasions I drove into their static cars. Hey -Ho!
(Both behaved perfectly admirably)

Teri's picture

I think this sort of awkwardness happens with almost everyone, not just the English and/or British. With updates about celebrities leaking into regular, everyday news, we're imprinted with the idea that celebrities, whatever alphabetical ranking you assign them, be it A-list or C-list, are important people worthy of noticing. Whether their celebrity is earned by looks, acting prowess. Or they're a brilliant scientist, or a local celebrity who won a sausage-eating contest two years running, or a even porn star, celebrities are made to look as though they're worth your time, attention, admiration, and memory. Some of us feel like we know them so well after reading a few tweets, listening to their music, or seeing their movies until we meet one of them and are reduced to stammering, and comments on their line of work, making us look like drooling fanatics or awkward weirdos with no respect for privacy or personal space.
And that's just it; celebrities are still humans like everyone else unless the celebrity happens to be a dog. In such a case, I highly doubt you'd get much of a conversation out of it, but you're more likely to have a pleasant time with it because the dog isn't going to have an over-inflated sense of its own importance. But again, we're talking people here and like everyone else, celebrities probably don't like being randomly greeted by a stranger while they're about their daily business.
Say for example you walk into a convenience store and suddenly there's a group of young people asking for hugs, kisses, or autographs. Now of course, you're not a celebrity so this moment is awkward and frightening. But even if you ARE a celebrity, what makes it okay that people are getting up in your business? Nothing. You're good at a thing (which is debatable) or really good-looking (also debatable) but it doesn't mean you're a better person than anyone else and should be treated the same as any other stranger seen the street. That being to ignore them unless you're both doing the same thing and want to initiate a conversation about that thing.
I'll admit, I'd be chuffed to find myself in the company of David Mitchell mainly because I one day wish to be as professional on ranting about random things as he is, but that doesn't mean he wants to get to know a socially awkward American girl. He doesn't know who I am and aside from seeing him in some shows and reading articles he's written, I don't know him either. Same with any other actor or comedian.
And it really all calls back to how everyone is raised nowadays, nobody can really trust anyone, you're taught not to talk to strangers, and socializing has become electronic, leading us to believe we do know celebrities more than we really do. But in the end, when you tear back the debatable talent and looks, celebrities are just people going to their jobs or buying a candy bar. Maybe we'll all continue to be awkward around them despite this knowledge, but the way celebrities are presented to us as golden Gods and Goddesses of talent and beauty, who could expect any less?

adamawhite's picture

Coming up behind Matt Berry (of The IT Crowd, Garth Merenghi and The Mighty Boosh) and a mate at a zebra crossing in Shoreditch, I felt it necessary to a) ascertain his identity ("Excuse me, are you Matt Berry?" "…yes.") and b) compliment him AS IF HE WERE ZAYN MALIK:

"Well, I think you're… brilliant."
"…um. Thanks."

He and mate walked, speedily, into the Ten Bells and I peeled off ashamed into a curry house on Brick Lane –– into which he and friend walked about fifteen minutes later. And were seated behind me.

And he knew, and I knew. As if I had been stalking him with sufficient prowess that I had determined his favourite curry restaurant out of the fifty on Brick Lane and was just playing the waiting game.

We did not acknowledge each other. But he knew, and I knew. It was awful.

dalekcat's picture

Good article, but 'british' and 'english' being interchanged as usual I see. And then you wonder why us non-english dont feel 'british'

sl40's picture

Hear, hear!

I am English but lived in Scotland for a number of years and the characteristics described in this article - which I recognise in my friends I've known from childhood - do not tally with my Scottish friends.

I was in a bar in Glasgow next to Peter Mullen and Martin Compston, both very well known actors - if not on the Hollywood A-list - and strangers were happily chatting to them about ideas for day trips with kids and, I kid you not, African drums.

Similarly, a friend overheard a female shopper in a Dundee department store changing-room asking Liz McColgan if she thought a dress suited her. They had a chat about available styles.

It struck me how different that was from home.

We're not an island race at all because we share this island with Scottish and Welsh nations. I often think than in our reserve we're much more like the austere northern French or privacy conscious Dutch and Belgians than Scots.

Flemska's picture

Being Belgian I would like to add a comment - but don't worry I will be kind! :)
First there is indeed a difference between Dutch and Belgians. Give you an example - if someone coloures her hair blue and it looks really silly her Belgian friends will find ways to avoid telling her it does look bad by saying things like 'well its new' - 'have to get used to it but not too bad really' while a Dutch friends will say (before she ask anything what they feel about her new hair colour' 'God what have to done you with your hair it's ruined!' when there was still a Candid Camera program on our TV channels (Dutch & Belgian) the Dutch actors always felt more at ease playing joke with hidden cameras on Belgians as Dutch. Because the Belgians were too polite to become rude or agressive. The Dutch are far more open and verbal then Belgians who rather coil away as grey mouses so they won't get notice or into trouble.

Anmariec's picture

Being Belgian I would like to add a comment - but don't worry I will be kind! :)
First there is indeed a difference between Dutch and Belgians. Give you an example - if someone coloures her hair blue and it looks really silly her Belgian friends will find ways to avoid telling her it does look bad by saying things like 'well its new' - 'have to get used to it but not too bad really' while a Dutch friends will say (before she ask anything what they feel about her new hair colour' 'God what have to done you with your hair it's ruined!' when there was still a Candid Camera program on our TV channels (Dutch & Belgian) the Dutch actors always felt more at ease playing joke with hidden cameras on Belgians as Dutch. Because the Belgians were too polite to become rude or agressive. The Dutch are far more open and verbal then Belgians who rather coil away as grey mouses so they won't get notice or into trouble.

Anmariec's picture

Being Belgian I would like to add a comment - but don't worry I will be kind! :)
First there is indeed a difference between Dutch and Belgians. Give you an example - if someone coloures her hair blue and it looks really silly her Belgian friends will find ways to avoid telling her it does look bad by saying things like 'well its new' - 'have to get used to it but not too bad really' while a Dutch friends will say (before she ask anything what they feel about her new hair colour' 'God what have to done you with your hair it's ruined!' when there was still a Candid Camera program on our TV channels (Dutch & Belgian) the Dutch actors always felt more at ease playing joke with hidden cameras on Belgians as Dutch. Because the Belgians were too polite to become rude or agressive. The Dutch are far more open and verbal then Belgians who rather coil away as grey mouses so they won't get notice or into trouble.

Des Demona's picture

I think it helps if 'celebrities' would act like normal people rather than blessed saints walking the earth.. I once asked Howard Marks for a spliff - perfectly reasonable I'd have thought, bearing in mind he no doubt had the makings on his person. Rather than pass a doobie like any mate would have done he looked as if I'd asked to give his missus one up the Khyber. Who do they think they are!

Ok none of that actually happened.
He did give me a spliff.
Actually that didn't happen either. This post is as pointless as this article only shorter.

Caroline Crampton's picture

I once found myself sat behind Helena Bonham-Carter and Tim Burton at an open-air concert. My friends and I spent a long time nudging each other and pointing them out to each other, thinking we were being oh-so-subtle. Of course, because they were sat about 12 inches in front of us, they were very aware of what we were doing and saying. Being polite sorts, instead of turning round and telling us to shut up, they offered us their cheeseboard to share. We were struck simultaneously dumb and greedy, and ended up guzzling most of their Brie without exchanging so much as a thanks-very-much...

Gerry Tierney's picture

Sat by whom?

Helen L's picture

I once saw Lucy Porter at the IMAX, was convinced that I knew her, and waved at her. She waved back, then looked incredibly puzzled.

I guess that sort of thing must happen to celebrities all the time.

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