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Artist and New Statesman guest-editor Grayson Perry spoke to critic Miranda Sawyer at the Royal Institution, London, on 13 October 2014.
They discussed the cultural dominance of the “Great White Male” (which was also the theme of Grayson’s issue), as well as politics, education, fashion and much more.
You can listen to their conversation using the player below. Subscribe to the NS podcast to make sure you don’t miss out on similar clips in future.